Mystery Letters of "Human Apostate" talk 2013 summer convention and its connection to Lev.5:1

by Bill Covert 29 Replies latest watchtower scandals

  • Oubliette
    Oubliette

    Hi Bill,

    Your OP is confusing.

    Your write about a particular comment in an old WT which was changed when the bound volumes were made:

    It was removed when that WT was made into the bound volume, thus a deception being made.

    Posters on this site have pointed out countless examples of such WT revisions. They're as common as dandelions in a summer field.

    THERE IS ABSOLUTLY NO BIBLE basis for the WBTS 'Gestapo' policy of having brothers inform on their brothers, this is a DECEPTION.

    Correct. Did you not know: It's a cult!

    But I gotta' say, I'm really unsure why you would write this:

    And you have an entire elder body refusing to honor the instructions of Lev.5:1.

    First you say there is not "Bible basis" for JWs to turn other JWs in and then you get upset that some JWs won't do it.

    It appears you want it both ways.

    That being said, that this religion is filled with and run by corrupt individuals is well-known to all of us here. You're preaching to the choir, buddy.

    You are apparently very angry over what you've seen and what has personally been done to you. I get that. You're not alone. Many of us here have suffered similarly.

    Oubliette

  • DATA-DOG
    DATA-DOG

    Could you elaborate on the "human apostate" thing??

    DD

  • Oubliette
    Oubliette

    DD: Could you elaborate on the "human apostate" thing??

    That's in contrast to inhuman apostates such as Satan and the demons.

    There were some threads on this at the time:

  • Bill Covert
    Bill Covert

    Yes Oubliette It was in the discourse that there was mentioned "now there are apostates writing letters to the faithful ones". There were a few comments of posters wondering what those letters were. At that time period I was reading JWN every day but somehow was never able to register and get a password so as to comment. When the RNWT was released and the change to Lev.5:1 I contacted Barbara, she was interested in the story but was redoing her web site so did not have time to invest in my story. Through last summer was when the lights came on for her to realise the importance of Lev.5:1. She invested a lot of time trying to make my writing suitable to publish through the summer but now events are just moving to fast for her to finish the project.

    The Lev.5:1 story is a very powerful story as it debunks an entire WBTS policy, that of informing on your brothers. And it is policies that Andersons group are focusing on. By posting on this site my hope is that it will attract the attention of the of some of the advanced scholar type. There are some sharp people here and for one of them to be pointed at my post would be the biggest story to come out of the new RNWT. Realise I am not a good communicator and for one of the JWN sharpies to see the point being made they would be able to edify and articulate far better than i ever could. This was what Barbara had a interest in but became overwhelmed with more important things.

  • rebel8
    rebel8

    How do you know the 'human apostate' was referring to you?

    Apologies if I'm misunderstanding. The only quote I can find is: "apostates may use smooth talk on the internet, on television or through letters to loyal witnesses of Jehovah". This doesn't refer to any individual though.

  • Vidiot
    Vidiot
    I'm pretty sure any "Gestapo-like" informing policies are pretty vanilla compared to the ever-growing pile of other, worse offenses that the WTS is steadily racking up.
  • Bill Covert
    Bill Covert

    rebel 8 It was just a short phrase on three diffrent posts on this site of which folks were wordering what were they refering to. if you read my post, Bearara A. was familure enough with my work when she was in Bethel to where it came to her mind these many years later.

    Vidiot No you are missing the whole point of the importance of RNWT major change of Lev.5:1. Truly this is one verse that has the ability to prove deception as to twisting the Bible to create a church policy that has no Bible basis. The WBTS policy is that brothers inform the elders when they see someone sin. Example being the wife of the man who commited suicide in Margate who informed of dirty pictures on computer. I told Barbara that I was going to post the story on JWN last week when she said it would be probably be the end of the year when she will have the time to finish project. Hopefully she will get a oppertunity to comment on my post. As I said it took her several weeks to get her head around what was being said. She knows this to be a very important new light that has a lot of power to it but only if understood.She has invested a lot of time in this project but as we all know she is slammed with work relating to the Conti case.

    As I stated I am involved in a very long and brutal contest with the church and the closer I can get the light shined on Lev.5:1 in relation with the Conti decision this the better chance I have of accompolishing what I set out to do. As I stated without carefully reading the post and doing the research there is no way to comprehend the power of what is contained in the RNWT revision, it truly is a big thing. Truly

    Shalom Bill

  • Mad Irishman
    Mad Irishman
    You've been smoking some good hash buddy! I think you need a hobby or something young fella. You're wasting too much of your life on this nonsense. Go live your live and put this in the past.
  • tim3l0rd
    tim3l0rd

    Oubliette,

    His point about Lev 5:1 is that, while you shouldn't be required to inform on someone just because you know of a wrongdoing, if you're called upon as a witness and then refuse to testify, you will bear the guilt. Bill called upon them to testify and they did not, therefore they bear the guilt.

    timelord

  • Bill Covert
    Bill Covert

    This a very rough day, a human life is being brought to a end through self induced alcohol poisoning. My #5 son 33 years old went down to Sacramento Ca. out of my control and unless some last minute miracle occurs should be well on the way of consuming enough vodka to shut out a 27 year night mare of corruption of a swindler who a had a career ever since 1982 of defrauding seniors with in the JW church. And the church's corruption of selling him positions of influence, "simony" and taking bribes Isa.1:23 to cover up a $4.250 million dollar unregistered securities swindle. But mainly it is the story of a corrupt church policy that requires church members to inform on their fellow church members.

    This post was done two years ago and Barbara Anderson made it the subject of a book and the largest research project she has undertaken in her life. When the RNWT was released in 2013 Barbara was in the midst of completely rebuilding her web site but was interested in posting my story on her new site. It wasn't until after she returned from the SNAP convention she was able to get her mind warped around just how important Lev.5:1 was especially coupled with the 1987 Wt. article " A Time to Speak When". It took a couple of months of back and forth to where her mind was opened to why the WTBS switched the clean man doing the public cursing and the 'witness' who was the real sinner of Lev.5:1. Once she got her mind over the hurdle than she became a blood hound on the trail of the how and why's of the Lev.5:1 deception and what purpose it served. As a researcher she had an agenda to uncover the history of why the deception occurred, a very important piece of work.

    But a problem occurred the project became so big it has become un finish able due to health issues, energy levels massive amount of work load from what is going on in primary area on concern being the molestation issues. Early last fall she said she was going to take my suggestion and cut down the size of the book due to it vastness. Late last fall she assured me she had just too much time invested in the book to quit now. The last email a month ago was just she still has plans to finish but her body has had the energy sucked out of it by having a plate overflowing with time consuming issues and countless people seeking her advice and counsel. A couple of weeks ago I asked her if it was possible to just release the information necessary for the world to see the apostate nature of the WTBS 'informant policy' and not let the past history of the hows and why's hold that information hostage, no reply.

    The RNWT revision of Lev.5:1 is a very, very big news, unfortunately it is going to take a Barbara Anderson or some like her to release it in order for most folks to understand it. To understand Lev.5:1 is to be able to put the "two witness" policy into perspective!

    If the post of Randy Waters is an indication this post should release a firestorm of Barbara's supporters. But realize Barbara gave her word that this was going to happen!!!!

    There is no basis to say I have been impatient, it has been a 3 1/2 year waiting. I sent her a thousand dollars to help the project along. For the past year and a half since my son moved in with me I check the computer 3 or 4 times a day waiting for information as to when the 'cavalry' was going to arrive so as to be able to lift the pressure off of us, it never happened.

    Last February I got a phone call from someone investigating the swindler of my story Ray Dale [please refer to "Royal Flush Phil" comment on another post of mine for info as to the vastness of Ray Dale's defrauding seniors]. They Googled Ray Dale San Diego and up popped "Ray Dale, Bill Covert" taking them to this very post and also one on JW Survey. Do that same search today and both Ray's name and my name have been deleted, it just starts with the beginning sentence of this post. They were looking for information pertaining to this post, of which I supplied everything I had. I went to County Records looked up information [the amazing find was proof of collusion among the elders of the Matt.18: 17 process to deceive the Service Dept as to Ray Dale's swindles as they were profiting from those schemes]. I gave the researcher $5,000 for various things as catching a swindler of Ray's magnitude was that important to me. A judicial process was started in San Diego with Ray in early March, the details have been with held from me due to the agenda of the investigator. There is a certain amount of energy released over this matter in the San Diego area, again information with held. Where all this will go could be interesting, time will tell.

    Will Barbara substantiate what I have said, I don't know. But before there is a fire storm of out cry I would hope that the better brains on this site would very carefully read over my post because there IS A REAL REASON THAT THE REVISION OF 2013 of LEV.5:1 HAS BEEN CLOAKED IN SILENCE BY THE WTBS!

    Now I have lost a son. I am not the only one to have lost a loved one but once the mystery of Lev.5:1 becomes revealed this will go down as one of the more tragic stories of WTBS corruption.

    Bill Covert

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