How much does it really cost to run an Assembly Hall? Real data.

by Paralipomenon 23 Replies latest jw friends

  • Paralipomenon
    Paralipomenon

    In Canada, any corporation registered as a charity is public information. I occassionaly browse them to see what's going on, but I wanted to give some updated data.

    http://www.cra-arc.gc.ca/chrts-gvng/lstngs/menu-eng.html

    If you are curious, you can type in Jehovah, or Assembly or Circuit to get tax information (including donations and expenses) for all of them.

    For their Assembly halls it shows much of what has been already told. They make as much profit on assemblies as they do expenses.

    Total Revenue: $ 397,920 ( Revenue from donations: $ 384,002)

    Expenses: $ 252,316 (Occupency costs listed at $ 172,454)

    Charitable donations made: $ 252,316

    Breakdown is:

    Total expenditures on management and administration: $ 7,623

    Total expenditures on charitable programs: $ 244,693

    Also interesting to note that the buildings are valued at $ 4,213,222

    Edit: Yes the Charitable donations and expenses are more than incoming revenue. It also listed a quarter million in the bank and $180,000 in funds owed. Can't have anyone sitting on extra money, huh?

  • diamondiiz
    diamondiiz

    Not too much money in the bank just means they can beg r&f for more cash the next assembly they have. Any extras are sent to wts and the cycle repeats itself of guilting people to contribute more money.

  • ziddina
    ziddina

    Interesting....

    I'll have to take some time to look at that site...

    That figure:

    "Total expenditures on charitable programs: $ 244,693..."

    Huh???

    We all KNOW that they don't donate to hospitals/orphanages/food banks/homeless shelters/free medical assistance/womens' shelters etc...

    So, what the heck IS that???

  • Paralipomenon
    Paralipomenon

    Ziddina: Donation to the worldwide work. Any extra money is given as a donation to the US bethel.

    Pulled that tidbit from the bethel's tax return a few years ago.

  • sir82
    sir82

    Wait a sec...

    It costs $7623 to actually run the place for a full year, yet the income generated is nearly $400,000?

    Well, now we know that assemblies are here to stay.

    Wonder where the [397,920 - 384,002 =] 13,918 in "non-donation" income came from? That's more than enough to run things right there.

  • james_woods
    james_woods
    So, what the heck IS that???

    I would hazard a very serious guess that this was a contribution to a certain publishing company for unspecified "educational" purposes.

  • OnTheWayOut
    OnTheWayOut

    I imagine "charitable programs" is programs they run, they administer, they profit from. It could include airfare for Bethelites to come give a talk.

    Their numbers are meaningless.

  • Paralipomenon
    Paralipomenon

    Nope, it's a straight up donation. Here is the breakdown of their listed expenses:

    Expenditures:
    Advertising and promotion4800
    Travel and vehicle expenses4810$ 4,180
    Interest and bank charges4820$ 215
    Licenses, memberships, and dues4830
    Office supplies and expenses4840$ 3,228
    Occupancy costs4850$ 172,454
    Professional and consulting fees4860
    Education and training for staff and volunteers4870
    Total expenditure on all compensation (enter the amount reported at line 390 in Schedule 3 if applicable)4880
    Fair market value of all donated good used in charitable programs4890
    Total cost of all purchased supplies and assets4891$ 10,118
    Amortization of capitalized assets4900$ 62,121
    Total expenditure for research grants and scholarships as part of charitable programs4910
    Other expenditures not included in the amounts above4920
    Specify type(s) of expenditures included in the amount reported at 49204930
    Total expenditures before gifts to qualified donees (add lines 4800 to 4920)4950$ 252,316
  • Paralipomenon
    Paralipomenon

    hot damn! That formated all purdy-like!

    I'll just C&P the whole thing!

  • Paralipomenon
    Paralipomenon
    Assets:
    Cash, bank accounts, and short-term investments4100$ 287,128
    Amounts receivable from non-arm's length parties4110$ 180,000
    Amounts receivable from all others4120
    Investments in non-arm's length parties4130
    Long-term investments4140
    Inventories4150
    Land and buildings in Canada4155$ 4,213,222
    Other capital assets in Canada4160$ 230,443
    Capital assets outside Canada4165
    Accumulated amortization of capital assets4166$ -3,863,074
    Other assets4170
    Total assets (add lines 4100 to 4170)4200$ 1,047,719
    Amount included in lines 4150, 4155, 4160, 4165 and 4170 not used in charitable programs4250
    Liabilities:
    Accounts payable and accrued liabilities4300
    Deferred revenue4310
    Amounts owing to non-arm's length parties4320$ 71,322
    Other liabilities4330$ 14,052
    Total liabilities (add lines 4300 to 4330)4350$ 85,374
    Statement of operations
    Revenue:
    Total eligible amount of all gifts for which the charity issued tax receipts4500$ 1,420
    For all tax-receipted gifts received during the fiscal period please provide:
    Total eligible amount of tax-receipted tuition fees5610
    Total eligible amount of tax-receipted enduring property5640
    Total amount received from other registered charities (excluding specified gifts and enduring property)4510$ 384,002
    Total specified gifts from other registered charities4520
    Total enduring property from other registered charities4525
    Total other gifts received for which a tax receipt was not issued by the charity4530$ 1,243
    Total revenue received from federal government4540
    Total revenue received from provincial/territorial governments4550
    Total revenue received from municipal/regional governments4560
    Total revenue received from all sources outside Canada4575
    Total interest and investment income received or earned4580
    Gross proceeds from disposition of assets4590$ 3,000
    Net proceeds from disposition of assets (show a negative amount with brackets)4600$ 3,000
    Gross income received from rental of land and/or buildings4610
    Non tax-receipted revenues received for memberships, dues, and association fees4620
    Total non tax-receipted revenue from fundraising4630
    Total revenue from sale of goods and services (except to government)4640
    Other revenue not already included in the amounts above4650$ 8,255
    Specify type(s) of revenue included in the amount reported at 4650 (e.g., dividends)4655GST & PST REBATES
    Total revenue (add line 4500, 4510 to 4580, and 4600 to 4650)4700$ 397,920
    Expenditures:
    Advertising and promotion4800
    Travel and vehicle expenses4810$ 4,180
    Interest and bank charges4820$ 215
    Licenses, memberships, and dues4830
    Office supplies and expenses4840$ 3,228
    Occupancy costs4850$ 172,454
    Professional and consulting fees4860
    Education and training for staff and volunteers4870
    Total expenditure on all compensation (enter the amount reported at line 390 in Schedule 3 if applicable)4880
    Fair market value of all donated good used in charitable programs4890
    Total cost of all purchased supplies and assets4891$ 10,118
    Amortization of capitalized assets4900$ 62,121
    Total expenditure for research grants and scholarships as part of charitable programs4910
    Other expenditures not included in the amounts above4920
    Specify type(s) of expenditures included in the amount reported at 49204930
    Total expenditures before gifts to qualified donees (add lines 4800 to 4920)4950$ 252,316
    Lines 5000 to 5030 represent a breakdown of the expenditures on lines 4800 to 4920. The total of lines 5000 to 5030 should equal line 4950.
    Total expenditures on charitable programs5000$ 244,693
    Total expenditures on management and administration5010$ 7,623
    Total expenditures on fundraising5020
    Total expenditures on political activities, inside or outside Canada5030
    Total other expenditures included in line 49505040
    Total amount of gifts (excluding enduring property and specified gifts) made to all qualified donees5050
    Total amount of enduring property transferred to qualified donees (excluding specified gifts of enduring property)5060
    Total amount of specified gifts made to qualified donees (including specified gifts of enduring property)5070
    Total expenditures (add amount from line 4950 and the amounts from lines 5050, 5060 and 5070)5100$ 252,316
    Other financial information
    Permission to accumulate property: Only registered charities that have written permission to accumulate should complete this question.
    Enter the amount accumulated for the fiscal period, including income earned on accumulated funds
    5500
    Enter the amount disbursed for the fiscal period for the specified purpose we have permitted
    5510
    Enter the amount deemed to be a tax-receipted gift for the fiscal period
    5520
    Enduring property and the capital gains pool
    From the amount reported at line 4950, what is the fair market value of all enduring property spent during the fiscal period?5710
    Enter the capital gains from the disposition of enduring property in the fiscal period. Do not enter an amount reflecting a capital loss or a negative amount in this field.5720
    Is the charity claiming an amount that is less than the maximum capital gains reduction?5730
    If yes, enter the amount from line 11 of Form T1259, Capital Gains and Disbursement Quota Worksheet5740
    If the charity has received approval from the Charities Directorate to make a special reduction to its disbursement quota, enter the amount for the fiscal period.5750
    Property not used in charitable activities
    Enter the value of property not used for charitable activities or administration during:
    The 24 months before the beginning of the fiscal period
    5900$ 299,500
    The 24 months before the end of the fiscal period
    5910$ 385,770

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