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@mrsjones Exactly! How else would you know what works? I got lucky I didn't get married in the borg. Found someone outside who's got no problem with a little porneia, lol!
If I read that article as an active JW, I would assume oral and anal sex and manual manipulation are not for Christians at all. That was always the impression I got as a teenager too.
I think it is referring to unmarried people........
It's amazing how many definitions they can read into a Greek word, especially considering how few Greek scholars are running things at JW HQ. By their definition it appears that fornication is anything involving the sex organs, and is completely independent of the idea of reproduction (which seems an unlikely definition for ancient people to hold) .. but don't forget that you can also "fornicate" via test tube!
I'm confused at the distinction between porneia and fornication. Mr. Flipper's thread discusses the broad definition of porneia in the new Elder's handbook. The book claims:
It is not a casual touching of the sex organs but involves the manipulation of the genitals. Porneia DOES NOT require skin-to-skin contact, copulation ( as in penetration ), or sexual climax.
Whereas according to this Watchtower fornication refers:
not only to intercourse but also to acts such as masturbating another person
If fornication is the same as porneia, it seems that the definition in the elder handbook is much more all-encompassing than the public definition in the Watchtower.
This is not fit material for young children to be reading. Awake magazine breaches decency. I think it should be considered pornography to expose young minds to subjects like this.
They are talking about OUTSIDE marriage. Not within marriage.
I was just doing a bit more research to see if there were any other articles that infer forniaction can be within the marriage but came across this bit of information from WT 1956 10/1
If a married Christian commits adultery, the Christian mate may want to divorce. However, in order to bring no unnecessary reproach upon Jehovah’s people by the unclean unfaithfulness of one of his witnesses, the Christian congregation should first excommunicate the unfaithful member. Then the clean, innocent mate can take public court proceedings against the unfaithful as one who is now not a member of the congregation, not one of Jehovah’s witnesses. Thus the theocratic organization suffers no public shame.
This is interesting because it shows the mindset of the org - that is to protect the congregation at all costs without even considering the repentance of the wrongdoer. .
I agree with Mrs Peck and cantleave : it'a all about unmarried people.
Desi
From the latest Elders instruction book:
5. Por..nei'a:
(Lev. 20:10,13, 15, 16; Rom. 1:24, 26,27,32; 1 Cor. 6:9, 10) Por·nei'a involves immoral use of the genitals, whether in a natural or in a perverted
way, with lewd intent. There must have been another
party to the immorality-a human of either sex or
a beast. Willing participation incurs guilt and requires
judicial action. It is not a casual touching of
the sex organs but involves the manipulation of the
genitals. It includes oral sex, anal sex, and manipulation
of the genitals between individuals not married to each other.(lv p. 99; w06 7/15 pp. 29-30; w04 2/15
p. 13; w00 11/1 p. 8 par. 6; w83 6/1 pp. 23-26) Por-does not require skin-to-skin contact, copulation
(as in penetration), or sexual climax.
6. Self-abuse, or masturbation of oneself, is not por·nei' a.
6. Self-abuse, or masturbation of oneself, is not por·nei' a.
Self-abuse = masturbation?! Uh, no. Self-abuse includes things like cutting oneself, burning oneself, and smashing your head against the wall.
( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-harm )
In Watchtower World, it also includes going door-to-door with magazines full of false gospel and attending meetings ad nauseum on the same topics over and over again until you're reeling from the dizziness and can't see or think straight.
I am surprised they put something like this in one of their public PR magazines. Sounds more like something they would put in the Kool-aid edition of the WT.
Other than the definition in the footnote, is there any reference to where the definition comes from? Or is the reader just supposed to take on faith that the Awake! magazine knows how to define Bible words all on its own? (I already know the answer to this...)
