Shackled to the Watchtower: A distinction every Jehovah's Witness should acknowledge

by Nickolas 49 Replies latest jw friends

  • ProdigalSon

    Although it isn't anything I hadn't already learned, I'm about halfway through the book "Jehovah Unmasked!" and what an eye opener it is, straight out of the pages of the Bible. According to the "Word of God", "Jehovah" REALLY IS SATAN, the god of THIS WORLD.

    So, what the Watchtower has done, very effectively, is resurrect the tyrannical God of Darkness, the Father of the Original Lie ("on the DAY that you eat from it, you will positively die"), the God of Fear from the Old Testament, and made it a household name. EVERYONE has heard the name "Jehovah" because of the Watchtower... they even had the nerve to insert the name hundreds of times in the New Testament when there is NOT ONE manuscript on the face of the earth that supports doing so. Jesus came here to expose the evil God of the Jews for exactly what he is...the Father of the Lie, a DEMIURGE who thought he was the "Most High", and THAT'S WHY THEY CRUCIFIED HIM. The Watchtower needed to bring their evil god into the NT in order to propogate their fear-based religion and that's exactly what they did.

    So yes Nick, FEAR is what keeps them there, because they worship Satan, the God of the OT who creates darkness and evil, by his own admission. In a nutshell, they are Satan's Witnesses!


  • Nickolas

    Jesus is not our mediator

    Could you elaborate, GMJ. I don't understand the power of that statement to get the attention of someone in the Truth.

    You got that right mr.Nick.That is way we don't put any effort to sucker in any new slaves for the two faced Monsters.

    This is a stunning comment. It at least implies that the Watchtower has anti-salesmen going door to door as a direct consequence of their disfellowshipping policy.

    Its impossible to convince others - they will have to make that voyage of discovery themselves

    Your post, LUKEWARM, is dynamite. Absolutely great advice and insights, thank you.

    but I'll give you credit your trying to learn

    Here's where we're different, JYD. Of course one needs to learn the ropes before he ventures into the ring. You apparently didn't do that. You are a verbal street fighter against well trained psychological combatants. I am confrontational by nature and I am a successful man. Don't be concerned about my street smarts or ability to go for the juglar when required, son, I'll be just fine once I know all the facts I need to know. But, I don't plan to go there. There's a softer solution to the one you promote and that's the one I'm seeking.

    And they do this on purpose. Children are not allowed to do anything in school that might make them independent of the witlesses. They are trained to pio-sneer or go to Beth Hell, not work. They are threatened with destruction if they do not obey. Everything outside is "from Satan". They are dragged to boasting sessions, and pressured to get baptized at age 6 (some make it to their teens, but too many get baptized in their single digits).

    WTW, you nailed the primary dynamic of this thing. It's entrapment of the innocent followed by blackmail. Edit: followed by harrassment, isolation and financial ruin if you defy them. Edit: another symptom of a dying organisation is when it becomes a drag on life. If it ain't fun, I'm not interested.

    Get busy living or get busy dying. Everything this cult touches turns to $hit and rolls downhill.

    talking about mindset, this man and I have the same one

  • Nickolas

    Although it isn't anything I hadn't already learned, I'm about halfway through the book "Jehovah Unmasked!" and what an eye opener it is, straight out of the pages of the Bible. According to the "Word of God", "Jehovah" REALLY IS SATAN, the god of THIS WORLD.

    Now that's a twist I hadn't heard before. I might call this strategy the ultimate hard sell.

    Jesus is not our mediator.....GMJ
    Could you elaborate, GMJ. I don't understand the power of that statement to get the attention of someone in the Truth.....Nickolas

    Jesus is supposed to be Mediator for Christians..

    What many JW`s do not know is..

    The WBT$ Fired Jesus..And..Replaced Jesus with the WBT$..

    The WBT$ is now Mediator for all Jehovah`s Witness`s..With the Exception of the Anointed 144,000..

    In Watchtower World..Jesus is no longer Mediator..


    God wouldn`t have a Job without the WBT$..

    ...................... ...OUTLAW

  • Nickolas

    Well, there's another distinction gained. Thank you both, GMJ and OUTLAW.


    Good Morning Nickolas..

    Christians follow Jesus,not the WatchTower..

    Jehovah`s Witness`s think they are Christians..Jehovah`s Witness follow the Watchtower..

    Jehovah`s Witness`s are "WatchTards"..


    The WBT$/JW Cult is not a Christian Religion..

    The WBT$ has replaced Jesus as mediator,for Jehovah`s Witness`s..

    The WBT$ is an Anti-Christ Religion..

    "Welcome to WatchTower World"..

    ............................ ...OUTLAW

  • Nickolas

    Jehovah`s Witness`s are "WatchTards"..

    It has been said the pun is the lowest form of wit, but that's just funny.

    Where do I find the meat in the Jesus-isn't-the-rank-and-file-mediator-anymore conversation? Documents I can quote. Thanks.

  • AGuest
    what the Watchtower has done, very effectively, is resurrect the tyrannical God of Darkness, the Father of the Original Lie ("on the DAY that you eat from it, you will positively die"), the God of Fear from the Old Testament, and made it a household name.

    I don't what your book says, dear PS (peace to you) but... YES!!!! They are the fulfillment of Revelation 13:11-18!!

    "And I saw another wild beast ascending out of the earth, and it had two horns like a lamb, but it began speaking as a dragon. And it exercises all the authority of the first wild beast in its sight. And it makes the earth and those who dwell in it worship the first wild beast, whose death-stroke got healed."

    Here, they are the beast that ascends out of the earth. They are the ONLY ones who put focus on an "earthly" hope, such that they minds are "upon the things on the earth." The two horns are the WT and AW magazines through which they speak AS IF Christ is directing them... and thus, AS a lamb... but it actually LIES "as a dragon." The "first wild beast" is the form of worship that was FEAR-mongering "Judaism", including its non-anointed "priesthood" and religious leadership... which USED to exercise authority over Israel by misuse of the Law Covenant! It received a "death stroke" which the Most Holy One of Israel later "healed." (Jeremiah 30:12, 15, 17) These now use that SAME "form of worship" to exercise authority even more than the former form of worship under the Jews to make those who dwell in the earth... particularly those with an "earthly" hope... WORSHIP with that form of worship... a "godly devotion" that "proves false to its power."

    "And it performs great signs, so that it should even make fire come down out of heaven to the earth in the sight of mankind." And it misleads those who dwell on the earth, because of the signs that were granted it to perform in the sight of the wild beast, while it tells those who dwell on the earth to make an image to the wild beast that had the sword-stroke and yet revived."

    They mislead those who profess both an "earthly" hope by means of their talk of "1914", "Faithful and Discreet Slave", "Armageddon", and things like these. In doing this, they, through FEAR-mongering, make those who follow them turn BACK... to the form of worship that God previously gave a death stroke then revived, worship by SIGHT... as was done when worshipping God had the temple and priesthood as its features.

    "And there was granted it to give breath to the image of the wild beast, so that the image of the wild beast should both speak and cause to be killed all those who would not in any way worship the image of the wild beast."

    Here, they use that former way of worship... and its associated FEAR... by saying "the temple of Jehovah, the temple of Jehovah WE are" (Jeremiah 7:4)... to compel those who dwell in the earth to worship THEM... they who are the "IMAGE" of the wild beast (which beast was the former way of worship).

    "And it puts under compulsion all persons, the small and the great, and the rich and the poor, and the free and the slaves, that they should give these a mark in their right hand or upon their forehead..."

    That "mark" is identification as "one of Jehovah's Witnesses"... and a thus, a pretty binding relationship with that beast... the WTBTS... which is received when such ones take their "oath" of loyalty and allegiance TO that beast... with oath is RATIFIED by their being baptized into IT... versus baptized into Christ. However, there are people of ALL ilks in that beast, the "image"... small and great, rich and poor, free and slave... and all have it's "mark." In contrast, LOVE is the identifying "mark" of one who belongs to Christ (and no, I am not saying that all who love are so marked as belonging to Christ... though I would venture to say that that is true, on some level; however, I am saying that all who belong to Christ are so marked... by their love).

    "and that nobody might be able to buy or sell except a person having the mark, the name of the wild beast or the number of its name. Here is where wisdom comes in: Let the one that has intelligence calculate the number of the wild beast, for it is a man’s number; and its number is six hundred and sixty-six."

    So many have and still do spend their time and turn their wheels trying to figure out that number, 666. They do this because of the "riddle" contained in the text. What they miss, however, is that the riddle, indeed the number... is a red herring! And in speculating and chasing that decoy, they miss what is right before their nose: that knowing the mark is NOT limited to knowing the number - one can know it... by knowing the NAME OF THE WILD BEAST. If you know the NAME... then you can know the meaning of the number... a "man's" number (and thus "earthly") and not God's number ("heavenly"). Again, they are the ONLY ones who put emphasis on an "earthly" hope. Not that man's ultimate hope is NOT for the earth - it absolutely is. But by compelling their followers to have their minds "upon the things on the earth"... they have led them to walk by sight... which BLINDS... rather than by FAITH... which reveals.

    The name of the "image" of the wild beast (the former way of worshipping God)... is the "Watchtower Bible and Tract Society".... of whatever. Pennsylvania, New York... East Cambodia... whathaveyou. They are the ones who have breathed "life" back into that former way of worship. They are the ones who "compel" all those in the earth, rich, poor, small, great, etc., to worship that former wild beast. They are the ones who disallow buying or selling unless one has their mark. They are the ones who have two horns like lamb but speak as a dragon. And the number is simply the "sum" of their faslse propaganda regarding THEIR "cleanliness", "righteousness", and "truth,"... NONE of which exists... ALL of which falls short.

    I hope this helps... and again, I wish you peace!

    A slave of Christ,


  • Nickolas

    Thanks, Shelby. Here's the thing, though - you folks who see the WTBTS as a manifestation of Satan got there after a long journey during which you examined your fundamental beliefs through a different prism. Getting a devoted Jehovah's Witness onto your page is a far more difficult proposition than showing them the falacy of the Watchtower a small piece at a time. At some point they might be receptive to your message, but not right out of the gate. If the objective is extrication to a safe and soft landing spot, what I mean is retention of belief in God and Jesus while debunking the Watchtower, I think what your words contribute to is the end game. All of which to say, I'm not rejecting your arguments, but the object of any debunking exercise first needs to be receptive to your arguments before he or she will be able to hear them at all. By the way, since you asked, I'd be delighted if my wife went back to Anglicanism. Anglicans don't destroy families, last I heard.

  • DanaBug


    About the mediation for only the 144k: this link has quotes from publications and also goes a little into the history of the teaching, you can verify if you have a WT cd-rom.

    Here's some more:

    This one has an interesting quote from a watchtower article

    Learning about this was the final nail in the coffin for me. The Bible makes it clear how this works and they muddy it up by having seperate classes. Matt 23:13 sums it up for me.

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