What is "Brazen" conduct according to new 'Shepherd the Flock of God' book (page 2)

respectful_observer

"Consider other examples: ....there is strong circumstantial evidence and there may be elements of brazen conduct. The innocent mate's conscience may allow [him or] her to choose to divorce and remarry; the elders would not take action against [him or] her for making this decision."

Wow... this is a change (I know first-hand it's gone back and forth over the decades). Oh, how my life would have been different. What a difference just a couple of years makes.

Reading this probably just ruined my day.

sir82

Evidence (testified to by at least two witnesses)
that the accused stayed all night in the
same house with a person of the opposite sex
(or in the same house with a known homosexual)
under improper circumstances.-

This is virtually unchanged from the '91 edition.

Apparently, in Watchtower World, sex still only happens at night, and only in houses.

undercover

Evidence (testified to by at least two witnesses)
that the accused stayed all night in the
same house with a person of the opposite sex
(or in the same house with a known homosexual)
under improper circumstances.-

This is virtually unchanged from the '91 edition.

To play devil's advocate for a moment... they do say "under improper circumstances". They actually give examples of where some situations would not be improper, such as the example of the guy who missed the last train and he slept on a sister's couch...or the guy staying with a married couple and the husband is called away overnight thus leaving the two in the house.

I don't remember if the old book covered that, but it seems...on the surface... that they're trying to leave room for intrepretation of the rule.

OTOH... the fact that they have to go to such lengths to try to explain the difference between proper and improper shows how legalistic they've become. Common sense is being bred out of the newer generation of dubs and their elder leaders...

yknot

Full Book link expected today (after bethel turns in).....

Pass the word

antes8080

some taughts "brazen" conduct... there actual brothers that have jobs with personal secretary he should have never acepted that job in the first place... great example WTWizard on the shampoo you got use the shampoo aprove by the boe or you can get JC... some points i like its ok to watch porn for some years thats cool just dont invite the bros over on movie night oops me and my friend use to watch movies togather but is ok it was 4yrs ago and she got married and god has bless her she is a regular piooner so were ok...... did we became CIA org you spy on your spouse with another f member huh you should just call the show cheaters!!!

Mary

• Willful, continued, unnecessary association
with disfellowshipped nonrelatives despite
repeated counsel.-Matt. 18:17b; 1 Cor. 5:11, 13;
2 John 10, 11; w81 9/15 pp. 25-26.

• Child sexual abuse: This would include fondling
of breasts, an explicitly immoral proposal,
showing pornography to a child, voyeurism, indecent
exposure, and so forth.

So in the Governing Body's warped mind, having dinner or a friendly chat with a life-long friend who got disfellowshipped for putting up a Christmas tree for his kids, is no different than a man who rapes children.

There are simply no words for the idiocy of these men.

palmtree67

Evidence (testified to by at least two witnesses)
that the accused stayed all night in the
same house with a person of the opposite sex
(or in the same house with a known homosexual)
under improper circumstances.-

This means 2 elders sitting in a car outside your house all night.....that hasn't changed.

Mary

This means 2 elders sitting in a car outside your house all night.....

Which is called 'stalking', which is illegal. If I ever saw elders do this to me and I would not hesitate to phone the police, have them charged and then call the newspaper to give them the story. That would put a nice little dent in their reputation, at least locally.

Mad Sweeney

Apparently, in Watchtower World, sex still only happens at night, and only in houses.

Yup. So any JW who works third shift is in the clear if he crashes at his honey's place for the day!

leavingwt

Apparently, in Watchtower World, sex still only happens at night, and only in houses.

IMHO, this has little to do with WHEN the sex happens, etc. It's simply about the WT image, in the eyes of both the congregation AND the non-JW community.

They don't want any of their members -- who are all "ordained ministers" in their own words -- to even have the appearance of impropriety.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Appearance_of_impropriety

What is "Brazen" conduct according to new 'Shepherd the Flock of God' book

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