A JW Student turned up in my Psychology Class yesterday!

by Free yet lonely 23 Replies latest jw friends

  • OnTheWayOut

    Give the Cult info. out as an extra-credit thing. Tell them it might make the difference if they are between grades, could turn a B+ to an A.

  • cantleave

    I wish you would just F-off Madjw - you are an extraordinarily stupid person.

  • theMadJW

    Why THANK you. CL- that is High Praise!

    (Coming from the likes of it)

  • RosePetal

    Reading the book George Orwell Nineteen Eighty Four did it for me. It was mind blowing it really hit me for six. So many things in that book woke me up to the way the Borg worked, the similarities were frightening. Perhaps you could recommend it to her to read.


  • Free yet lonely
    Free yet lonely

    Yes I will give out the cult question as an 'extra credit' task for the kids to explain using the social identity theory of prejudice.... I was thinking that I would add football hooliganism to the question to make the addition more subtle... see below:

    Ninety eighty four is a book that I have yet to read, however when I said that I wanted to leave the jdubs my best friend mentioned it to me and said that she understood my doubts having read that book. However she unfortunately stayed in the religion until recently when she was disfellowshipped. Unfortunately she is intent on getting reinstated .

    Mad-JW w hat did I do to provoke you and warrant such a negative response???? this site has some very angry people as well as some amazing people - I am upset by your abuse.

    This is the question and potential answer:

    The social approach offers concepts and ideas that can help to explain both football hooliganism and cult behaviour. Compare these two issues for society, considering how the social approach can help to explain why such behaviours, which seem to threaten social stability, come about.

    (12 marks)

    Extension question answer

    Football hooliganism is found when two (or more) sets of supporters turn against one another and are violent.

    The groups are football supporters, usually of two opposing teams though a group following one team can still

    behave in a ‘hooligan’ manner by disrupting others in a town or engaging in vandalism.

    Cult behaviour is when

    a group of people follow a leader, who is often charismatic, and give up their previous life to obey the leader’s


    Football violence can disrupt many different members of society because it can be in the streets and

    involve passers by, whereas cult behaviour is confined usually to a segregated group of people and does not

    harm anyone else.

    Of course families are split up by cult membership, so in that way others are harmed.

    Both football violence and cult behaviour involves at least one group so they both look at group behaviour.

    A cult tends to be one group against the rest of society, which is an in-group/out-group situation and football

    hooligans are often from two different groups of supporters, again an in-group/out-group situation,

    so social

    identity theory (SIT) can help to explain both issues.

    SIT says that in-groups are formed firstly because people categorise others into groups. A cult is a recognised

    group and so are football teams and their supporters, so both issues start with categorisation into groups.

    Then members of a group identify with that group and take on their roles and behaviours. Football supporters

    wear the colours of their team, which identifies them, and also they take on norms such as behaving badly.

    Cult members also identify with their cult’s rules, to the extent of turning away from previous norms and values,

    so in this way too cults and football hooliganism have things in common.

    The final part of SIT is where there

    is a comparison between the groups. Football supporters compare themselves with the other team’s supporters

    and prejudice occurs, as predicted by SIT. Cults too compare themselves with main society, preferring their own

    group, so there are comparisons there as well.

    So SIT explains how both cults and football violence come about, through prejudice against an out-group and

    in-group favouritism.

    Social conflict theory says that prejudice occurs when there is conflict or competition

    between groups, which explains the football violence more than cults because cults do not usually engage in

    conflict with other groups in society.

  • cofty

    I would recommend "How Football Explains The World" by Franklin Foer.

    In particular chapter 2 - "How Soccer Explains the Pornography of Sects" and chapter 4 - "The Sentimental Hooligan"

  • poppers

    Mad-JW what did I do to provoke you and warrant such a negative response????

    What did you do? You made a post; that's enough for such abuse from him. Don't take the bait - that's all he's looking for.

  • blondie

    Back to jw children taking psychology courses in college. Over the years I have seen many elder's children (MS and rank and file) go to college. Most BA and BS degrees require Psych 101 to graduate plus an advanced class. There was always more concern about science classes that stressed evolution, but even then it was possible to take classes that emphasized it less and make your science requirements. Psych is definitely a class of discussion not absolutes not with all the different schools of psychology.


    The real issue is why is any jw child going to college regardless of the classes they are taking.


    An essay question on mind control or propaganda may be helpful. It can concentrate on religion or war propaganda. I found those topics eye opening.

  • steve2

    As a psychology teacher, why would you wish she hears about cults? She'll simply do what most other people do when they read or hear about cults: Think it's talking about another group other than their own. You're best to avoid any kind of need to make a point and just do your job.

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