The scientists don't beleive that. It's an expression, like saying you created something out of thin air.
Sorry, dear NVL (again, peace to you!)... but I thought that that was exactly what they were saying... and believed. I mean, it warranted an article in a science journal...
I DO get the drift that you didn't know much or ANY of this before you started this discussion and have continutally been corrected, which leads me to
Well, okay, if you believe the discussion needs to deteriorate to that...
You've been ignorant os science and what the words and ideas and fact are and continually try to fit god into them.
You don't believe that there are things of this physical world... "science"... that can explain God... or things attributed to God? I'm sorry, but I don't totally agree with that...
You started with god "speaking" things into existence via sound
No. I asked a question... whether or not God's breathing something could result in air. And I explained what I meant by "air."
and now it's jesus created everything with light.
Oh, thank you, LORD! I thought I was going crazy. That very statement shows me that you don't have a CLUE what I'm speaking of. There is NOWHERE that I said my Lord created everything with light. There is NOWHERE that I said my Lord created anything.
The sarcasm comes in because when you try to take ideas that you CLEARLY don't understand and use them to explain something unproveable,
Goodness gracious... what in the WORLD are you speaking of? True, I don't clearly understand certain "ideas"... but I think you've expended more time trying to attack what I'm saying... than trying to understand it. Okay, I misused "mass" when I should have used "matter." But surely you knew what I meant. And if you didn't, you need only ask. Even so, I clarified once you corrected me.
But the issue was COULD "something" come from "nothing"... something being matter... nothing being no matter. According to the article light (which THEY consider as "nothing")... was used to create/convert energy into matter (which THEY consider as "something"). Okay, could light be converted into matter. Either way... the answer is still yes. Photons are not matter, but energy particles. In the experiment, one photon colliding into a densely packed set of photons resulted in matter. No matter before; matter after. Per the scientists... something... from "nothing" (i.e., no matter).
That same premise can be applied... if Christ is light. Something (the physical universe) came OUT of nothing (the light that is Christ).
you might as well claim the easter bunner pooped out eggs that contained pure photons that made the universe when they hatched.
Well, according to the article, if the dear bunny COULD lay eggs... and so pooped out, say, a billion billion eggs... and for some reason one of those eggs hit, say, a couple million of the others (which were densely packed together) at the same time... well, you might not get the universe but, according to the article, you might get a tiny piece of it...
Which doesn't make me quiver in fear (because the scope is too small). Big numbers don't scare me: just multiply the billions of billions of eggs... by whatever number you need to multiply them by... and have them collide with a force, say, a gazillion gazillion... gazillion... times stronger than what occurred in the experiment and, well, you must might end up with a genesis.
Nevermind that rabbits are rodent mammals that don't lay eggs and where did the rabbit come from anyway.....
Well, not the same place as the eggs...
So I should say to you..."Learn."
As I should say to you...
I appreciate that you are trying,
No, you don't. You are chagrined that I am bothering to enter into unknown territory... YOUR territory... and so you wish/need to set me straight. No problem, I don't mind - as I stated, I don't know science. I do know God, though, but find it funny that you are unwilling to grant me to same... ummmm... regard. I am willing to learn about science. Are you willing to learn about the Most Holy One of Israel? No, you only wish to ridicule. Why IS that, exactly? I am not afraid of science or learning about science. I will try. What, though, do you have to fear of learning about God?
but reading a short article and fitting it into a pre-existing theology ain't science, kid.
No, and I didn't intend it to be. I wasn't even thinking to use Christ to prove science is right, dear one. My position is that science may prove that Christ is the light that God used to create the physical universe. What's the concern?
I knew enough to recognize a colloquialism.
My bad. I have a tendency to take people seriously. I don't initially attribute false motives... or misleading statements... to anyone. Not until I have reason to...
I guess that's my point, you didn't understand the article because you don't have the neccasry knowledge and background.
Well, then, I guess that puts us on equal ground, then, yes? Because I know about as much about physics as you know about the Most Holy One of Israel. Yet, you believe you can use what YOU "know"... to explain away what you DON'T know. How are we different, I must ask?
*sigh*.... no, I just understood the article.
Then I really am glad that you condescended to explain it more accurately to me. Perhaps next time a similar subject comes up... I won't cause myself (oh, wait, no, YOU)... so much chagrin. I have to say, though, your very thorough lesson notwithstanding... nothing changed for me.
in the dawn there is light before you can actually see the sun. It's not that hard.
Ummm... so you missed the part about the account NOT being about the sun/moon/stars... you know, physical luminaries? C'mon, man... at least I TRIED to read the dang article. The least you could have done was checked to see WHAT "light" was being referred to...
Who doesn't believe matter can come from energy?
I was referring to people, including some here... who believe that something can come out of nothing. I do not. I believe something comes out of something. I do not believe light... to be nothing...
Can you define "pure engergy" and differentiate it from just regular energy?
Probably not without looking it up.
The bible never says christ is pure energy.
Ahhhh... and see, there again, you misunderstand me. I never said the Bible said Christ was pure energy. It does say he is the light, though. If you had seen that light... and its substance, purity, dynamic power... well, I cannot describe it to, but you would know what I mean. You most likely are going to have to wait, though, and see for yourself.
It says he is a spirit.
spirits are invisible.
Not always, number one. And that doesn't mean they can't be seen... number two. It just means they can't be seen with eyes of flesh. Those are not the only eyes we see with, however...
he is the light metaphorically as in "I can see the truth" in your mind's eye.
Oh, NOW who's talking what they don't know?? LOLOLOLOLOL! Dear one... you have no idea. Absolutely NO idea. I don't know where you even got that explanation/understanding. Certainly not from HIM. And PLEASE don't tell me you got it from the Bible. Please.
I bid you peace, dear NVL, truly. And some calm. Don't feel so threatened when someone ventures into "your" territory. Otherwise, you might rum them far... far... away. Which would defeat what SHOULD be your purpose: to teach them what you believe YOU know about it. Right?
YOUR servant and a slave of Christ,