If we are a product of evolution why the need of specific elements in nature?

by cyberjesus 52 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

  • cofty
    cofty
    I suppose the argument is that the plants without even a vestige of the right things die out, those with a hint survive, and gradually we end up with something that works. Difficult hypothesis to prove.

    The power of natural selection is amazing. Creationists frequently make the mistake of thinking that its all about chance. This is a misunderstanding that makes it impossible to grasp evolution. "The Blind Watchmaker" by Dawkins shows how it is way beyond a "hypothesis" it has been proven through experiment and observation many times.

  • rebel8
    rebel8

    Because natural selection isn't random.

  • cyberjesus
    cyberjesus

    So in a way plants do think, correct? or what makes them self preserve and thus generate food?

  • cofty
    cofty
    So in a way plants do think, correct? or what makes them self preserve and thus generate food?

    No evolution does not happen that way. The development of a fruit for example starts as a totally random event, no doubt just a few cells attached to the seed. If that improves the chance of that seed being eaten by a bird or animal and subsequently excreted to grow into a new plant complete with the mutated gene for fleshy seeds, then that gene will do better in the gene pool than those that produce seeds with no flesh.

    Over generations multiple mutations accumulate to produce the kinds of fruit we see today. We often speak about elements in the natural world being "designed" for this or that but it is only a shorthand way of speaking. The "watchmaker" is blind. Nothing plans to evolve anything; changes happen by chance, those that are beneficial are selected by natural selection which is not random.

    Its helpful to see it from the perspective of the gene as Dawkins proposed in "The Selfish Gene". Bodies of animals, humans, vegetables, trees, apostates are gene reproducing machines. Those genes which cause the body or phenotype to do better at reproducing get copied more often than genes that don't.

  • hamsterbait
    hamsterbait

    If you think about an intelligent designer, you eventually come to the conclusion that he is a sadistic trickster, who designed the earthquakes, volcanoes, ice storms, viruses, disease germs, cancer mutations, genetic illnesses, the ability to challenge religious dogma, spiders, ichneumon flies, meteorites, as some kind of sick cosmic joke.

    Things are JUST THE WAY THEY ARE. people who try to change it usually make things worse.

    HB

  • snowbird
    snowbird

    Genesis 1:11 -13 God spoke: "Earth, green up! Grow all varieties
    of seed-bearing plants,
    Every sort of fruit-bearing tree."
    And there it was.
    Earth produced green seed-bearing plants,
    all varieties,
    And fruit-bearing trees of all sorts.
    God saw that it was good. MSG

    This is so less complicated!

    Sylvia

  • John Doe
    John Doe
    This is so less complicated!

    "God did it" is not an answer though, no matter how simple you think the question.

  • snowbird
    snowbird
    "God did it" is not an answer though,

    Says who?

    Sylvia

  • John Doe
    John Doe
    Says who?
    Sylvia

    Says me, and any with intellectual curiosity and honest common sense.

  • Gerard
    Gerard

    Evolution does not work alone as in in vacuum, it happens in synergy with the environment.

    All plants, bacteria and animals are interconneted - and we even share a great deal of genes.

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