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  • TR

    Good post Richard. I agree.


    "YK is his name, false prophecy is his game"

  • TR

    Thanks, Will.

    I think it might be fascinating to hear his story. Let us know if you ever find out.


    "YK is his name, false prophecy is his game"

  • TR

    Newer light never contradicts old light, but adds to it WT 2/1881 p. 188

    "Bible classes and Bible studies all to no purpose until the Lord, in due time, sent them the 'Bible keys', through the Society".- WT 10/1/1909 p. 4482

    A person would go into darkness after two years of reading the Bible alone; would be in the light reading Studies in the Scriptures alone. WT 9/15/1910, p. 4685


    "YK is his name, false prophecy is his game"

  • Will Power
    Will Power

    Who are the Apostates anyway?

    WT Nov 1879 pg 4
    (speaking of Jesus)
    typed exactly as printed
    "Let all the angels of God worship him"; [that must include Michael, the chief angel, hence Michael is not the Son of God] and the reason is, because he has "by inheritance obtained a more excellent Name than they."

    Who was Russell setting himself apart from?

  • Will Power
    Will Power

    WT Jan 15, 74 pg 35

    Can You Be True To God, Yet Hide The Facts? (title)
    What results when a lie is let go unchallenged? Does not silence help the lie to pass as truth...
    What happens when misconduct and immorality are allowed to go unexposed and uncondemned? Is this not like covering over an infection without any effort to cure it and keep it from spreading?
    When persons are in great danger from a source that they do not suspect or are being misled by those they consider their friends, it it an unkindness to warn them?

    I could type the whole page, it is just one after another, ugh)

  • refiners fire
    refiners fire

    Simply cant allow this thread to end without at least a couple of quotes from that book that "Drove the clergy of Christendom" into mad hatred.
    The 'FINISHED MYSTERY' 1917.

    page 64:
    "The seven messengers to the Church..St Paul, St John, Arius, Waldo, Wycliffe, Luther, Russell".. 84.
    Heres an interpretation of Job 40 v 15, 16, onward:
    ..."Behold now one with great heat (the stationary steam engine)
    which I have made to be with thee,he will consume fodder (peat, wood, coal)...behold now his strength is in his loins (boiler plates)...
    his tail (smoke stack opposite the feeding end)will set upright like a cedar"...
    enough of that, I think.

    page 103:
    ..."Exodus 28v1 indicates but 1 priest to every 2860 levites,which would make the number of the great company approximately 411,840,000"...
    Guess theyd better preach a while longer if thats how many people are needed for the Great Crowd.

    page 138:
    ..."As the number of the bride of Christ is to be 144,000 it would be reasonable to think that each number of this class would may have 144,000 to look after. 144000x144000 equals 20,736,000,000...evidently just the right number to be cared for"....

    Yeah. I can sure understand why all those Catholic priests were driven to such a "White heat of Hate" over THIS book.

  • butalbee

    Everything I ever read could be included in this thread.


  • AlanF

    Here's a classic:

    In the 1985 Creation book, in the section "What About the Dates?" on page 96, the Watchtower writer said:

    Biblical chronology indicates that a period of about 6,000 years has passed since the creation of humans. Why, then, does one often read about far longer periods of time since acknowledged human types of fossils appeared?

    Before concluding that Bible chronology is in error, consider that radioactive dating methods have come under sharp criticism by some scientists. A scientific journal reported on studies showing that "dates determined by radioactive decay may be off -- not only by a few years, but by orders of magnitude." It said: "Man, instead of having walked the earth for 3.6 million years, may have been around for only a few thousand."

    These statements are extremely misleading on several counts.

    First, the reference is to Popular Science magazine, which is by no stretch of the imagination a "scientific journal." One might just as well refer to The National Enquirer as a news journal. Referring to Popular Science in this way is an attempt to lend "scientific authority" to a publication that has none.

    Second, the Popular Science article is mostly about the success of various dating methods, and only in the last few paragraphs is space given to the views of a single physicist, Robert Gentry, who dissents from the usual view.

    Third, the fact that the dissenter is a young-earth creationist and Seventh-Day Adventist who believes the universe was created in six literal days, and that he was really stating his religious view, is not made clear. Statements from six-literal-day creationists regarding the accuracy of radioactive dating ought to be viewed like comments from Richard Nixon that politicians never lie.

    Fourth, the article's statement that man "may have been around for only a few thousand years" is merely a conclusion the article points out can be drawn from the views of Robert Gentry. It is not a conclusion the magazine itself, using its editorial voice, is making -- but Creation makes it appear it is. The reader gets the impression the article presents much scientific evidence showing radioactive dating is on shaky ground. But simply reading the Popular Science article shows that is not what it's about.

    The Society's use of a young-earth creationist's statements in a popular magazine is a classic case of the Watchtower writer failing to check his sources, or perhaps even ignoring them, and invalidating his entire argument.


  • refiners fire
    refiners fire

    Another Finished Mystery quote
    page 53:

    ..." The special messenger to the last age of the church was Charles Taze Russell,He has privately admitted his belief that he was chosen for his great work from before his birth. His mother died when he was 9 years old, and at the age of 11 Charles formed a business partnership with his father, himself writing the articles of agreement under which they transacted business. When he was but 12 years of age, his father found him in the store one time at 2am, poring over a concordance"...

    Similarities between CTR and Jesus there!
    Jesus at 12 was found in the temple, going about his Fathers business, was he not?
    Hows this on page 57:

    ..."The amount of work that pastor Russell achieved is INCREDIBLE,
    and it is doubtfull whether it was ever equalled by any other human being"...

    Obviously the Pastor was the greatest man who ever lived, next to Jesus of course.Equally obviously, Judge Rutherford, that dilligent
    "Rooter outer of creature worship" disapproved most virulently of this books being published!

  • Will Power
    Will Power

    This thread could go on forever

    July 15/61 pg 420
    Jesus encouraged his followers to love their enemies, but God's word also says to "hate WHAT is bad." When a person persists in a way of badness after knowing what is right, when the bad becomes so ingrained that it is an inseparable part of his make-up, then in order to hate WHAT is bad a Christian must HATE THE PERSON with whom the badness is inseparable linked.
    (bible teaches to hate the SIN but LOVE THE SINNER, Matt 22-38, Matt 5-44

    WT Jan 1/42 pg 5
    "The Watchtower does not consist of men's opinions"

    WT Aug 1/72 pg 460
    Through the columns of The Watchtower comes increased light on God's Word as Jehovah makes it known.

    WT Jun 15/74 pg 381
    "Similarly, the 'false prophet' is not a person, but is system or an organization."

    WT Sept 15/73 pgs 556-7
    (15 yr old girl gone "bad" talking to her father)
    "Daddy, you should have demanded that I behave years ago, and when I didn't, instead of talking to me, you should have blistered by behind."

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