European Court: No Crucifixes in Italian Schools

by behemot 33 Replies latest jw friends

  • behemot
  • quietlyleaving

    I have mixed feelings about this. Crucifixes can be seen as cultural symbols that transcend religion but on the other hand in Italy they have a strongly religious significance as they also do in Chrisitan countries. But in Italy, on popular feast days there are often religous processions in which crucifixes are held aloft. This happens a lot. So I can see why this mother fought to have them removed from the classrooms of the (secular?) schools her children attended as she wanted to hold them to the secularly neutral education they promised.

  • finallysomepride

    Yes i agree with the removal of all religious items from the classroom, yes class rooms should be religious & politics neutral. However is should not extend to the individual personf someone wants to personaly display such items so be it.

  • cantleave

    I agree, I wish they would do it in the UK.

  • The Scotsman
    The Scotsman

    " the court ordered Italy to pay a euro5,000 ($7,390) fine to a mother in northern Italy who fought for eight years to have crucifixes removed from her children's public school classrooms""" I cannot understand what her problem is that it deserved an "8 year" legal battle! Apparently the court said that the cross could be offensive to non christians and atheists. Next christmas trees will be illegal! The woman who took the school to court was qouted - "The crucifix creates discrimination" The incredible contradiction here is blatant - this court case creates discrimination. Italian christians are being discriminated against because the cross "might" offend someone - what a joke. I just think this is the gradual errosion of religious freedoms. Here in the UK a similar stealth attack on basic freedoms is occuring. Christmas lights are now called "winter" lights! Merry Christams is becoming "Happy holidays"! I hope the appeal throws this out of court. The world has gone mad......

  • finallysomepride

    When I was at school in New Zealand during the 60s & 70s we never had any religious items permanently displayed in our class rooms, i f there was they were there as a social studies item and removed afterwards. Ah I forget sometimes how much more advanced New Zealand is than many other countries.

  • besty

    religious freedom doesn't need to be visibly exercised in the classroom - for as long as it does it will never be truly free, rather a symbol of slavery to a byegone era

  • finallysomepride

    The fine should have been much much more than euro5,000

  • Chalam

    Philippians 3:18-20 (New International Version)

    18 For, as I have often told you before and now say again even with tears, many live as enemies of the cross of Christ. 19 Their destiny is destruction, their god is their stomach, and their glory is in their shame. Their mind is on earthly things. 20 But our citizenship is in heaven. And we eagerly await a Savior from there, the Lord Jesus Christ

    All the best,


  • besty

    for a quick primer in circular logic see above

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