Follow up to my saga

by Heartbreaker 36 Replies latest jw friends

  • Heartbreaker
    Heartbreaker

    I realize I'm a bit quiet here, and most if not all won't remember my story, so here is a brief synopsis. I recently decided that I'd rather pursue life rather than a future life promised but not realized. I was fortunate enough that my husband agreed in that he didn't want any man telling him what he had to do, or how to live, and so left with me. His reasons are more out of just wanting to be left alone, my reasons pointed more towards realizing this whole religion is really a misleading business. When we stopped going to the meetings, which our intent was to fade, but once we missed a few meetings, it was just too sweet to go and suffer through, so we left....just like ripping off an old bandaid, just left. It took a few weeks and we received a few voicemails, one card saying that they hoped our illness didn't last long (we were sick? Huh, didn't realize) and then we had the CO (isn't that what they call them now? congregation overseer instead of Presiding overseer?) drop by unannounced to upbuild us. He asked a lot of prying questions, and we did our best at smiling, professing to being absolutely fine, deflecting direct question by round about non answers. We received just a few more phone calls, all elders, all went to voicemail. Meanwhile I had started letting myself really think about my upbringing, in a household where there was molesting of my sisters, but not me, the youngest. Well that was the story I was told my whole life, but that didn't add up because I always had inappropriate flashes and memories that didn't jive if I wasn't affected. So I asked my family for some time by myself, because I was dealing with some things. Regretably they feel that my lack of meeting attendance is related to these memories (some new, and some that I've ignored or explained away) and that isn't the case at all. The one has nothing to do with the other, save the fact that I can think clearly and logically now that I don't have the hamster wheel of busy making that the JWs love to spin on. I can sit, meditate, think. I went off sleep medication that I was on from nightmares, let them come...journalled etc. I felt like I had enough information to feel that my children where no longer absolutely safe to be at my parents house, because yes, my father was the perpetrator, and he was forgiven on more than one occasion, spanning different decades, but same type of abuse towards his own flesh and blood. My parents started pressing me for time with my kids, and I kept backing away more and more...couple this with all the memories flowing fast and furious.

    My mother then cornered me and demanded answers, via email. So I let her have it, both barrels. I unloaded all the memories, the feelings it evoked in me, things I remembered and explained away or repressed from all the way back as a 5 year old (I'm in my mid thirties). She not only accused me of being out of my mind, needing therapy and medication, but she excused and defended my father yet again, told me I was crazy, nothing ever happened to me, that I was damaging her mentally, emotionally, and if she continued to discuss this even physically she was afraid. She told me I shouldn't have been so nosy to have listened in to conversations of the accusations, and then blamed my sisters for telling me and filling my head (they didn't) and all sorts of pointing of fingers and blaming, but accepting none for herself and for her husband. Told me how much I was hurting them, and how I was out of my mind for leaving Jehovah. That she tested out the truth, and verified it for herself, that there is nothing else out there....that I should think of my children. Then I replied, told her I was sorry she had to attack me, and no support for me, but that she was wrong, I'm not ill, don't need to be medicated, and lastly I am happy and well and I was going to live my life. She replied that she just can't talk to me anymore and she had to leave this alone before it affected her health.

    This was all last weekend. Today she forwards me some contrived email about a mothers (jehovah) love for her kid, that when the child went to the lake and was attacked by an alligator (satan) the mother didn't let go, and then a farmer came along (the brotherhood) and shot the alligator the child proudly showed his scars, not of the alligator but of the mother clawing her childs arms....indicating that she won't give up on me.

    What the heck does she want me to do? Run back and ignore that she left me and my children many times with a predator? That this predator was "dealt with" within the congregation and never received therapy? Whatever! And that isn't even the reason I left the meetings at all, but they don't divide the two.

    THEN Monday night two elders show up, and start asking us what our decision is, because they just need to know. They repeat probably about 20 times that they just need to know what our intentions are towards being in the congregation. We refused to answer, the conversation would take turns to here and there, but they kept bringing it around to that. My husband stated that he would never go back to THAT hall specifically because of the botched way the elders handled a situation within the congregation a couple years ago, a brother kept touching our child...we brought the matter to the elders, a committee was formed, he was allowed to councel US from the scriptures etc...it was never handled, then in the middle of the night he and his wife moved. Very abrupt. This elder stood on our property Monday night and denied that there was ever a committee for that, that what we were really meeting about was whether or not I had given this individual a moniker that indicated that I thought he was a molester. I couldn't believe it. I looked to my husband so he could see the out right lies and hypocrisy...he saw it. He told him in so many words that we not only met, but 5 times we met, each and every time with that CO!!! How could he deny it? Then he says that they are lucky they aren't dealing with him today, he'd have just went to that man and beat the sh$t out of him. Of course they were all offended my husband used that language and were condemning of that. Finally I said I tell you what, you want an answer from us, for what...so you can what? They wouldn't finish my sentence, so I told them I had no interest being in a hall with people such as them, that I wanted nothing to do with that specific congregation, and that's what they could take home with them. As for my attendance of another hall, that was undecided and up to us, not them, and none of their business. When it happened, we'd let them know.

    Add to this, my youngest son comes out and says that we "do parties now" He wasn't specific, but this elder brings out right away "Yes, so why do you feel it's ok for you to celebrate birthdays??" We never told him we did, but my husband didn't want to hide, so he said yep he sure did, just recently, and tried to explain that the examples in the bible are of the people that are bad, not the occasion, and then of Job, and they said nothing about that...just that NOW, as a WHOLE, the JWs don't celebrate that...it's bad. I said well the bible doesn't say it's bad, and I'd be more apt to look at the bible than what a group consensus says they'd do. They didn't like that either. Then my husband said birthdays were just as bad and pagan as the wedding rings that all 4 of us were wearing, and the CO said that no, that was a symbol of love...and I interuppted and said no, it's of pagan origin, you can't pick and choose. He got really fired up mad then, said they don't pick and chose, they follow everything from the FDS, and I said yes, and I follow the bible and not men. My relationship with Jah is not up to them, nor do I have to explain my every move to men. They hated that too. Then I brought up the article in the Awake that put birthdays/pinatas etc as a conscience matter, and they denied it being written. I couldn't remember the exact date, but they said I was reading into to suit my needs, and that it was just about pinatas. I said "reading into it to suit my needs? Kind of like saying all birthdays are bad because something bad was noted in the bible on two occasions?" Then group went silent. This "visit" lasted about 45 minutes, and it was miserable and unwanted.

    So, that's where we stand...neither family talking to us, all friends and acquintances from all our lives disowning us, and we are just by ourselves, with our children. It's very lonely. We feel like we should just leave the area, we are in a position soon to uproot and leave, and are looking at other places to live an start all over.

    So, think they have enough on us to DF us with never meeting with us again?

  • Chalam
    Chalam

    Wow-what an ordeal!

    They speak their native language, just like they always did

    John 8 (New International Version)

    42 Jesus said to them, "If God were your Father, you would love me, for I came from God and now am here. I have not come on my own; but he sent me. 43 Why is my language not clear to you? Because you are unable to hear what I say. 44 You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out your father's desire. He was a murderer from the beginning, not holding to the truth, for there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his native language, for he is a liar and the father of lies. 45 Yet because I tell the truth, you do not believe me! 46 Can any of you prove me guilty of sin? If I am telling the truth, why don't you believe me? 47 He who belongs to God hears what God says. The reason you do not hear is that you do not belong to God."

    Sounds like you had a verse 45 encounter with the "elders".

    Neither do they love Jesus or belong to God.

    Whatever you are going to loose, it has to be better than sticking around.

    Plus there is the not inconsiderable issue of the safety of your children. The sickness is rife amongst JWs the world over.

    Personally, I'd rather you left on account of Jesus because the blessing starts immediately.

    Mark 10:28-30 (New International Version)

    28 Peter said to him, "We have left everything to follow you!"

    29 "I tell you the truth," Jesus replied, "no one who has left home or brothers or sisters or mother or father or children or fields for me and the gospel 30 will fail to receive a hundred times as much in this present age (homes, brothers, sisters, mothers, children and fields—and with them, persecutions) and in the age to come, eternal life.

    All the best,

    Stephen

  • MisfitMeL
    MisfitMeL

    Very moving story and most unfortunate Heartbreaker.

    I'm afraid I don't have a lot of good advice, but atleast remember this - you are not alone in your situation. You have a supportive husband and all of your children. Your entire family is intact and that is a wonderful thing to have even though the current time is hard and lonely.

    Regardless of the choices you make to move or stay put, you have your entire immediate family intact. Many of us here are not so fortunate! You can take a good deal of comfort from that and it will help you overcome such a stressful situation.

    Moving might seem like a good idea. A fresh start in a new location and no way for the nosy elders to try and keep tabs on you and come knocking at your door. Also if there are many JWs in your children's school, it might be awkward for them, so maybe a new locality will help them have a fresh start too. Of course there are many other things to consider and I'm sure there are others here who have faced similar circumstances and will be better placed to offer helpful suggestions.

    I wish you well and good luck!!! (yes we can say that now too!) =)

    Best wishes,

    MeL

  • bluecanary
    bluecanary

    High five! No, High Ten! You rock, girl! I am so proud of you for standing up for yourself and your family. You are an inspiration. It's hard now, because you're lost a lot, too, but it's a necessary surgery. In time, you won't think much about what you've lost, only what you've gained. If you're in a position to move, I say go for it. It's a great experience to be somewhere new, especially when you're ready to start a new chapter in your life. If you do, you might want to consider not giving your family your home address. Sounds like your mom might be the type to sic the local elders on you wherever you go. My family and I moved to another state when we left the b0rg. No one knows us here. We haven't had to deal with an ounce of drama. Then again, I don't have any remaining family still in. Good luck!

  • AudeSapere
    AudeSapere

    Now the re-building can begin. Each of you will be stronger and now have the opportunity to get the best out of life.

    Maybe they did you a favor in the long run...?

    -Aude.

  • truthseekeriam
    truthseekeriam

    Heartbreaker,

    First off here is some big (((hugs)))

    I'm so sorry for what you are dealing with and trust me I know what your feeling I'm in the same boat and it's extremely emotional and lonely. It's so hard to go from a room full of people that "loved you"(??) to being left alone with your thoughts and your heart- broken.

    The only advise I can give you is to get busy and stay busy and gives you less time to think about the disappointment and the lack of love shown by the so called Shepard's. I come to believe they have to be some heartless bastards to do what they do to us... and with a straight face!!

    We also are looking into getting some family counseling, it's much needed, every member of our little family has been tore up over the molestation of our child and the after effects of how things are really done in the Org.

    Keep you head up and keep praying hard to Jehovah he will be their for you and he will help you to sustain. He really is the only one that won't fail us because he knows our hearts and he knows we are doing what we need to do at this point. Who cares what anyone else thinks

  • Goshawk
    Goshawk

    Very good job.

    Another point you might have made with them when the brother got 'fired up mad' is what kind of image he was displaying as a GUEST in your house.

    After all it is your house and they are guest, they should remember to act like guests not lords in your house.

    Goshawk

    (guests shouldn't disrespect the owner of the house class)

  • out4good3
    out4good3

    They were in your house for 45 minutes????

    That was 44mins 59 seconds way to long!!!

    Out4Good3

    (have shown elders the door when they get out of line class)

  • jamiebowers
    jamiebowers

    From my own experience as well as what I've read on this board, the elders probably have enough to df you, but it doesn't take much. As painful as it may be to hear, your parents and your congregation sound like toxic people. Since they are a threat to your children, it's really best to cut them out of your life or at least limit association with them. Moving may be a good idea. You can stay busy with finding a new home, school and comunity activities for you and your family. Good luck and God speed.

    She not only accused me of being out of my mind, needing therapy and medication, but she excused and defended my father yet again, told me I was crazy, nothing ever happened to me, that I was damaging her mentally, emotionally, and if she continued to discuss this even physically she was afraid. She told me I shouldn't have been so nosy to have listened in to conversations of the accusations, and then blamed my sisters for telling me and filling my head (they didn't) and all sorts of pointing of fingers and blaming, but accepting none for herself and for her husband. Told me how much I was hurting them, and how I was out of my mind for leaving Jehovah. That she tested out the truth, and verified it for herself, that there is nothing else out there....that I should think of my children. Then I replied, told her I was sorry she had to attack me, and no support for me, but that she was wrong, I'm not ill, don't need to be medicated, and lastly I am happy and well and I was going to live my life. She replied that she just can't talk to me anymore and she had to leave this alone before it affected her health.

    Abusive manipulators always blame the victim.

    Good for you for standing up to your parents and the elders!

  • nelly136
    nelly136

    if they want you gone they will.

    you may be feeling a bit lonely but your children are safer for you sticking to your guns, well done you and yours

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