Is this really smoking gun of Obama's Kenyan birth?

by What-A-Coincidence 165 Replies latest social current

  • What-A-Coincidence

    time to spicy up this joint wid sum conspiracy, been too boring around here... here u go...

  • blondie


    If you acknowledge the fact that President was born in Hawai'i, he falls under THIS category:
    ANYONE born inside the United States *

    If you still believe he was born in Kenya, no one has challenged the citizenship of his mother, so he'd fall under THIS category:
    Any one born outside the United States, if one parent is an alien and as long as the other parent is a citizen of the U.S. who lived in the U.S. for at least five years (with military and diplomatic service included in this time)

  • diamondiiz

    The United States Constitution


    Article. II.

    Section. 1.

    The executive Power shall be vested in a President of the United States of America . He shall hold his Office during the Term of four Years , and, together with the Vice President, chosen for the same Term , be elected, as follows:

    Each State shall appoint, in such Manner as the Legislature thereof may direct, a Number of Electors , equal to the whole Number of Senators and Representatives to which the State may be entitled in the Congress: but no Senator or Representative, or Person holding an Office of Trust or Profit under the United States, shall be appointed an Elector.

    The Electors shall meet in their respective States, and vote by Ballot for two Persons, of whom one at least shall not be an Inhabitant of the same State with themselves. And they shall make a List of all the Persons voted for, and of the Number of Votes for each; which List they shall sign and certify, and transmit sealed to the Seat of the Government of the United States, directed to the President of the Senate. The President of the Senate shall, in the Presence of the Senate and House of Representatives, open all the Certificates, and the Votes shall then be counted. The Person having the greatest Number of Votes shall be the President, if such Number be a Majority of the whole Number of Electors appointed; and if there be more than one who have such Majority, and have an equal Number of Votes, then The House of Representatives shall immediately chuse by Ballot one of them for President; and if no Person have a Majority, then from the five highest on the List the said House shall in like Manner chuse the President. But in chusing the President, the Votes shall be taken by States, the Representation from each State having one Vote; A quorum for this purpose shall consist of a Member or Members from two thirds of the States, and a Majority of all the States shall be necessary to a Choice. In every Case, after the Choice of the President, the Person having the greatest Number of Votes of the Electors shall be the Vice President. But if there should remain two or more who have equal Votes, the Senate shall chuse from them by Ballot the Vice President.

    The Congress may determine the Time of chusing the Electors, and the Day on which they shall give their Votes; which Day shall be the same throughout the United States .

    No Person except a natural born Citizen , or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States .

    In Case of the Removal of the President from Office, or of his Death, Resignation, or Inability to discharge the Powers and Duties of the said Office, the Same shall devolve on the Vice President , and the Congress may by Law provide for the Case of Removal, Death, Resignation or Inability, both of the President and Vice President, declaring what Officer shall then act as President, and such Officer shall act accordingly, until the Disability be removed, or a President shall be elected.

    The President shall, at stated Times, receive for his Services, a Compensation , which shall neither be increased nor diminished during the Period for which he shall have been elected, and he shall not receive within that Period any other Emolument from the United States, or any of them.

    Before he enter on the Execution of his Office, he shall take the following Oath or Affirmation:--"I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the Office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my Ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States."

    Section. 2.

    The President shall be Commander in Chief of the Army and Navy of the United States, and of the Militia of the several States, when called into the actual Service of the United States; he may require the Opinion, in writing, of the principal Officer in each of the executive Departments, upon any Subject relating to the Duties of their respective Offices , and he shall have Power to grant Reprieves and Pardons for Offences against the United States, except in Cases of Impeachment.

    He shall have Power, by and with the Advice and Consent of the Senate, to make Treaties , provided two thirds of the Senators present concur; and he shall nominate, and by and with the Advice and Consent of the Senate, shall appoint Ambassadors, other public Ministers and Consuls, Judges of the supreme Court, and all other Officers of the United States , whose Appointments are not herein otherwise provided for, and which shall be established by Law: but the Congress may by Law vest the Appointment of such inferior Officers , as they think proper, in the President alone, in the Courts of Law, or in the Heads of Departments.

    The President shall have Power to fill up all Vacancies that may happen during the Recess of the Senate , by granting Commissions which shall expire at the End of their next Session.

    Section. 3.

    He shall from time to time give to the Congress Information of the State of the Union , and recommend to their Consideration such Measures as he shall judge necessary and expedient; he may, on extraordinary Occasions, convene both Houses , or either of them, and in Case of Disagreement between them, with Respect to the Time of Adjournment, he may adjourn them to such Time as he shall think proper; he shall receive Ambassadors and other public Ministers ; he shall take Care that the Laws be faithfully executed , and shall Commission all the Officers of the United States .

    Section. 4.

    The President, Vice President and all civil Officers of the United States, shall be removed from Office on Impeachment for, and Conviction of , Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors .

  • JWdaughter

    This is from an unverified source. His Hawaii BC is verified by the republican governor of Hawaii as being true. Kind of like the anonymous experts who 'proved' the other one was false. Anyone look into this farther than a blown up document online?

  • MissingLink

    It doesn't matter where he was born. If one parent was American, then he was born an American citizen. My kids were born in Ireland, but are American citizens.

  • donny

    Like the "Bush stole the 2000 election" group, this is just a bunch of special pleadings that folks who do not like the current president hope will lead to his stepping down. It ain't going to happen. It just makes the people who support this issue look stupid and like sore losers.

    I heard Brian Copelands talk show on Sunday from one of the main supporters of this "Kenyan birth certificate" and she came off as full of BS and could only filibuster her way through a converstation. If you want to hear it, go to KGO's archive website and select the program on Sunday 9 - 10 am. This link will only be good through August 8, 2009 as they only keep a weeks archives.


  • Farkel

    If one is to be President of the United States it DOES matter WHERE he was born. Read the bold print in Article II Section I of the US Constitution as posted in this thread. It clearly states that a President must be a natural born citizen, i.e. one born in the United States.

    Therein lies the controversy. What makes matters worse, is that officials of Hawaii have stated they have examined Obama's certificate of live birth and attest that he was born in the USA, but they refuse to release the document. Why? Why has only the computer-generated "birth certificate" been released? Anyone can produce that sort of "birth certificate", but there is only one original hand-filled and more detailed "certificate of live birth" and that is the one Hawaii refuses to release to the public. It's only a damn birth certificate, fer cryin' out loud. What's the big deal? Unless it IS a big deal?

    Everyone has to show proof that they are allowed to drive a measly car. Why shouldn't the one holding the highest office in the land, and indeed the entire world also be required to show proof that that person meets the Constitutional requirement for that job?

    And why won't the one simple, document that everyone born in this Country has, namely their bona fide birth certificate, be released to the public so this issue can be resolved once and for all?


  • blondie

    Presidential Candidates Born Abroad
    Two contemporary Republican candidates for the presidential nomination were born outside the borders of the United States.

    • Sen. John McCain (R-AZ) was born in 1936 at the Coco Solo Naval Air Station in the Panama Canal Zone. Both parents were U.S. citizens. In April 2008, the U.S. Senate approved a non-binding resolution recognizing that McCain is a natural born citizen. McCain was a presidential candidate in 2000 and the Republican nominee in 2008.
    • Gov. George Romney (R-MI) was born in 1907 in Mexico. Romney’s grandfather had emigrated to Mexico in 1886 after Utah outlawed polygamy, taking his wives and children with him. Romney's father, Gaskell Romney, and mother, Anna Amelia Pratt, were born in Utah but married in 1895 in Mexico. Romney was a presidential candidate in 1968.
  • The Almighty Homer
    The Almighty Homer

    Anyone can produce that sort of "birth certificate", but there is only one original hand-filled and more detailed "certificate of live birth" and that is the one Hawaii refuses to release to the public

    Most likely out of security reasons , so people don't copy it and then fill in a bogus name.

    I think the government has looked into this enough and it really is a non-issue.

  • SixofNine

    Ah well, at least the issue helps us cull out the lowest 15% of the population for Eugeno-marking (bar-code).

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