Author of the book "J.W.s and the hour of darkness" Darek Barefoot speaks up on the conference call concerning subliminal images in the Watchtower lit.

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  • truthseeker
    truthseeker

    This is more informative, thanks Randy for the info....

    http://www.freeminds.org/doctrine/publications/subliminal-art-in-watchtower-publications.html

    Subliminal Art In Watchtower Publications

    Written by Randall Watters
    Friday, 13 March 2009 13:14
    Over the last 20 years of writing about the Watchtower Society in the Bethel Ministries Newsletter and its successor, the Free Minds Journal, I have received a lot of mail regarding the supposed intentional subliminal images found in many of the paintings that are created by Jehovah's Witness artists and reproduced in the Watchtower's publications. I would like to make a few comments about this subject. First of all, I am a skeptic when it comes to the power of subliminal art and music, even when it is intentional. Perhaps it is just my nature to take art and music for what it is rather than to stare at it and look for hidden meaning. I have no doubt that some artists do use subliminal images as part of their art form. Perhaps they even hope that some will see it and notice, adding richness and subtlety to the experience. But for the most part, according to statements by artists themselves, much of what people find in their art as "subliminal" was not intended at allby the artist him/herself! I do not doubt that there were some JW artists who put in some type of subliminal design or faces in their artwork, at least a few years ago when this was noted in the book, Hour of Darkness by Darek Barefoot. Some pretty interesting and even scary images seemed to appear upon taking a more magnified look at parts of faces or shrubbery or whatever. Having lived at Bethel, I know just how independent and rebellious some of the Bethelites can be! We did our own versions of the art in the Watchtower publications ourselves in the Pressroom (example 1, example 2), why would I assume that all the other departments at Bethel did not have certain ones who did the same thing, only in their own independent way? Yet when we were discovered with such artwork, we were severely reprimanded. Yet I would never have imagined that such could be a "planned" agenda by the heads of departments. They are simply too loyal to the overall Watchtower agenda and leadership to allow such a thing in a more organized way. As evil as they may be in the ruination of the lives of others, I personally do not believe the Watchtower Society does anything intentionally satanic. I worked there for six years and knew many of the heads of departments and workers, and they are mostly of the same old garden-variety fundamentalist drones who are there because of the Watchtower's ideology, and would never dream of doing anything remotely considered "satanic." Let's give them a little credit, less we lose our own credibility in critiquing them. They had so much mail about this subject they even addressed it in the pages of the September 1, 1984 Watchtower, page 20 (quoted in part): Even the Watchtower Society’s publications have been the subject of rumors—for example, that one of the artists had secretly been introducing pictures of demons into the illustrations, was subsequently found out and disfellowshiped! Did you share in spreading any such stories? If so, you were—perhaps unwittingly—spreading an untruth, since they were all false. Certainly, the rumor concerning the Society’s publications was harmful, as well as slanderous to the zealous Christians who work long hours producing artwork to make the magazines, brochures and books so attractive. This was as ridiculous as it would be to say that God, in creating celestial bodies, deliberately formed the appearance of a ‘man in the moon.’ Recently there has been a major effort to "expose" the Watchtower for purposely putting all kinds of satanic subliminal images in the Watchtower's publications. Anonymous CDs full of magnified, twisted and redoubled images from the publications have been sent out to over a hundred persons (including myself) with intent to cause governmental investigations into the Watchtower for planning this major conspiracy. To me, this is total bunko! Personally, I am not into conspiracy theories in general, and this one seems to be the result of Christian fundamentalism or conspiracy theorists gone wacko. Why would the Watchtower intentionally do something that is exactly the opposite of their agenda to begin with? They are more afraid of Satan than most any other group in my opinion! Most Witnesses I know are afraid of objects being demonized, setting foot in a church, wearing crucifixes or anything else that might have some supposed satanic roots. It is like accusing the Mennonites of being secret satanists; it just doesn't wash to a critical-minded person who is educated about the group. Here is the web page for your consideration. HERE is a discussion of that web page on the Jehovah's-Witnesses.com discussion board. I myself had this fearful mindset towards anything demonic when I became a Jehovah's Witness in 1972. I burned, among other things: A full set of Ellen G White's books by the Seventh Day Adventists, all my rock-and-roll records, a picture of me with long hair and smoking, and all manner of other books and items that were religious in nature and subject to being demonized. Had I become a Christian instead at the time (which I am now), I would not have given nearly so much credit to the devil! (Now I have all kinds of "religious" books in my library for research purposes, not the least of which are Watchtower publications themselves! So far I have not been demonized by them, and doubt that I ever will. I also do not stare at pictures looking for hidden meanings. I also do not believe that anything that is currently considered as "subliminal" that I have seen has much if any effect on the reader to begin with. Apparently there are some professional people out there who agree with me as well. Following are some quotes from Robert Gann, as well as some VERY INTERESTING RESPONSES by artists about subliminal images in their OWN ARTWORK. DISCUSSION of this matter among former Bethelites (June 2008): Hi TOM!!! It sure is good to see you here on JWD. I read your bio experience at bethell - amazing how they tried you in kangaroo court. The GB never thanked you for all that hard work you did setting up those new presses . Hek you and Randy ran that whole damn show back then!!. I have always wanted to ask you Tom, about subliminal artwork in the WT publications. There is subliminal artwork that can be found in the WT publications. A good example of this is Pascal Petits pic on page 93 of the live forever book. She had already done several Lesbian movies by the time that she shows up in the live forever book back in 1982.. The live forever book and the rev climax book both have Jests. Examples: the face in the hand in the rev climax book. Jests can also be found in the WT mags both in the text and pictures. Notable example is the lame horse in the feb 15 2008 WT. Also there has been discovered a triangle that has made 3 appearances in WT publications. The purpose of this triangle evidently is to convey a subliminal message. The triangle is being used a sort of a hypnotic visual cue to convey the intended message to select target audience. This is just one way the GB portrays itself as being so omnipotent. So, when you were at bethell, were you aware of any members of the art dept who might have put jests into the WT publications?? reply: Thanks for the kudos, 1914, but I had lots of help to do what we did. I did learn a lot along the way, but we all did. Randy was a great foreman. So was Jim Petrie, Darryl Block, Dana Primiano, Harry Johnson, and many others. And just about all the press operators were good guys, hard working, honest and sincere. I think one reason I was as successful as I was at Bethel is that I never forgot that these guys were volunteers, that they (at some point at least) wanted to be there, and that if I could just smooth the way for them, they would work hard and have a good time in the process. And just about all the time, it worked. Regarding your questions about subliminal artwork, I am not much of a conspiracy theorist. I have a book or two that show WT artwork with things like goats and other stuff in it. Some of it is pretty convincing, as far as the shapes themselves. Of course, when I was there, most of the artwork was pretty simple. It has gotten much more complicated since the switchover to offset printing that happened when I was there. It is of course possible for some artist to put some little hidden drawing in his work, for any number of reasons (the late caricaturist Al Hirschfield used to always hide his niece Ninas's name in his drawings just for fun), but since it will be printed and distributed to millions, he or she had better have a good reason for it if someone catches it, and with that many copies around, that could happen pretty easily. Psychological manipulation using subliminal messages is some pretty sophisticated stuff. Things like that require mental resources that are just not available there at Bethel. I would find it nearly impossible to believe any of the people I knew there capable of doing something like that. Even assuming that there is some evil genius there that could design and implement subliminal psychological messages, (and there isn't; trust me on this) what would the messages purpose be? Loyal JWs will obey just about anything the WTS wants them to do. If you can tell people in plain English that they may not take a blood transfusion and they obey even if it means their child will die, what more could you possibly expect from them through some subliminal messages? I saw some silly brochure recently that says that women cannot wear denim skirts when they tour Bethel. Believe me, if they have that much control, why waste time on subliminal messages? Really good cons are hard to pull off and are mostly the stuff of movies (like The Sting, one of my all time favorites). In the real world, they are pretty rare. Remember the debacle about the staged rescue of Pfc. Jessica Lynch from an Iraqi hospital? If the US Government with all their brains and resources couldn't pull one over, what chance does the WTS have to do so? That is my opinion anyway... Tom reply 2: Tom, Since I worked in Photoplate for a few years and did several pieces of art for the Art Department, I'd have to concur with you. Granted there may have been some artists before I was there or after I left who managed to slip something in to make their mark, but I never saw it attempted on purpose from 1977 to 1980. And I think it would have been even more difficult in the following years after 1980. They still had some of the same people behind the the cameras for years after I was there, and I know how difficult it would have been to slip something like this past Brother Robinson or ANY of the others for that matter. (By camera, I mean the cameras that took pictures of original artwork to ultimately create printing plates for the presses.) When I used to post more often on this site, I wrote up my feelings about it here: http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/watchtower/bible/56369/2/Subliminal-Images-in-Watchtower-Literature#827656 I believe it was David Taciak I was talking to (also in Photoplate at the time) who joked with me about a certain artist at 124 who might have been crazy enough to try putting his initials, or some other form of signature, on a piece of art. (David finally got transferred from Photoplate to a permanent position in the Art Dept.) But as I mention in the link above, it was more trouble to keep accidental "subliminals" OUT of the artwork. We'd often see something that came too close to looking like a face in a bush or cloud, or the smear of erasures that didn't "drop out" as well as the artists hoped. We'd often have to shoot something 10 times on the camera to avoid places where we suspected the final print was going to have unrealistic looking water reflections, or shadows that were too strong, or the like. We were pretty good, but sometimes the artist would sometimes see something on the proof that we missed, and sometimes they'd redo it, or we'd touch up the art for them. In reality, very few of the artists were actually very good at folds in cloth and clothing, or folds in the skin of a hand or wrinkled brow. When an artist is drawing, they will often see a face forming in the cloud and redo it. Even a photograph that might be copied for a picture can have branches making swastikas, and crosses, or clouds that look like a fist "flipping a bird" and the artist is sometimes aware of these problems in a graphic or photograph and UNDOES these things in the art even where the original innocent photograph accidentally created them. (Photos are sometimes too perfect, and don't look natural enough without changes.) But that doesn't mean the artist is going to catch all the subtle things that can show up in his final art AT ALL ANGLES. Some bored person at the Watchtower Study is going to scrutinize a picture from upside-down or sideways and see a face that the artist didn't catch, or a "NINA" in someone's hair. Also, we were always trying to get used to how the new printing methods were going to treat color and shadow. And then sometimes you guys would just lay the ink on too thick (lol) and it was unpredictable. I think that a lot of people don't realize that the mind is pre-wired to pick out faces from the surroundings and certain "out of place" objects, shapes and edges - even if these differencxes are extremely subtle. Too many straight lines in nature will jar the mind and make us conjure up a man-made object. Even babies are psychologically wired to pick up on the slightest variations in faces. Everyone sees a man in the moon. Animals with honed hunting instincts have extremely keen senses for picking out "edges" that don't belong: such as fur among leaves, eyes hiding behind bushes. And there have been numerous studies of how the human mind will automatically get tricked to fill in white spaces with imaginary "suggested" edges. I haven't given much thought to why so many people tend to find "demonic" images. But faces tend to be unavoidable, and especially the ones that are missed in quality control will often be distorted and therefore might naturally look demonic. It's almost a cliche that a frightened, restless child can see a few extra claws and scary faces in the shadows and branches of a tree scratching near his window after the lights go out. Perhaps it's somewhat analagous that those who now see the dark and scary side of the Watchtower will, therefore, pick up on a few more of these problems in Watchtower artwork, even if it's no more purposeful than those random scratchings of branches through the glass, darkly. Greg
  • daniel-p
    daniel-p

    It's funny looking at the pictures in that link because, with it all in French, I can't read what they're pointing out, so my mind has no suggestion to see the images with, and thus I see nothing in them.

  • Dogpatch
    Dogpatch

    from:

    Subliminal Art In Watchtower Publications
    Written by Randall Watters
    Over the last 20 years of writing about the Watchtower Society in the Bethel Ministries Newsletter and its successor, the Free Minds Journal, I have received a lot of mail regarding the supposed intentional subliminal images found in many of the paintings that are created by Jehovah's Witness artists and reproduced in the Watchtower's publications. I would like to make a few comments about this subject. First of all, I am a skeptic when it comes to the power of subliminal art and music, even when it is intentional. Perhaps it is just my nature to take art and music for what it is rather than to stare at it and look for hidden meaning. I have no doubt that some artists do use subliminal images as part of their art form. Perhaps they even hope that some will see it and notice, adding richness and subtlety to the experience. But for the most part, according to statements by artists themselves, much of what people find in their art as "subliminal" was not intended at all by the artist him/herself! MORE
  • daniel-p
    daniel-p

    So in the above discussion with Randall Waters, we have some bethelite old timers who chat about subliminal messages, but repeatedly say they didn't do it, never saw anyone do it, and didn't know anyone who could have done it.

    And yet people can't help but hypothesize about it. Everyone says thery're "no conspiracy theorist," but then says something like "the images are unmistakable when pointed out." Well, duh. Anything is unmistakable when pointed out, because at that point your brain is filling in all the logical gaps in the image to form a unified whole.

  • truthseeker
    truthseeker

    I think this subject has been beaten to death and until someone actually steps forward and says, "yes, I painted the ramshead in the Liveforever Book" we are always going to have two opinions on the issue.

    It isn't a big deal compared to the real issues.

    A small minority of images are just a little too clear to be an accident, but then that's my opinion - obviously, I didn't notice them until it was pointed out to me. Most images require a stretch of the imagination to fill in the gaps as you put it.

  • 1914BS
    1914BS

    Thanks Randy

    Tom Cabeen did admit that this was a valid jest - he called the UFO a Qtip

    1914,

    OK, I stand corrected. I;ll give you the guy with serious flatulence, but there ain't no way God is going to pelt the world with the ends of giant Q-tips! :-)

    Seriously funny, i'll admit, but don't quit your day job!

    Tom

    ?

    http://streetlights.tripod.com/lumes/phgcpf2.htm

    http://streetlights.tripod.com/lumes/phgcpf5.htm

    The Thomas Betts 113, possibly the present #1 luminaire in NYC

    So take a close look at where the light fixture attaches to the pole in the pic. Notice the angled part of the lamp fixture where it connects to the end of the pole - it is the exact same angle as in the Thomas Betts street light. LADIES AND GENTLEMEN IT IS A STREET LIGHT!!!

  • mary stewart
    mary stewart

    this COULD hold water, but the watchtower is paranoid of so-called demonism.

    but chuck russell was into astroogy and pyramidolgy. and was a mason, that some think is satanic, thought i don't believe it to be so. and isn't the watchtower symbol a part of satanism or masons or something? and i think jehovah is a masonic name.

  • HintOfLime
    HintOfLime

    What? All this conspiracy junk and no mention of Miracle Wheat (or maybe I just missed it). Once you plug THAT into the equation, along with the picture on page 38 of the Live Forever book, the the peices all fall into place.

    - Lime

  • Dogpatch
    Dogpatch

    It was much more fun doing BLATANT mods to pictures while printing them in the pressroom!

    Why bother with stupid subliminal stuff, when you can make your point IN THEIR FACE:

    http://www.randallwatters.org/aftrhour/cabeen.htm

    Cabeen's Secret Book

    Created by Watt (Randy Watters) at the peak of the "great apostasy" witch hunt (to eradicate Bethelites who dared keep their common sense and personal dignity) in early 1980 as a "going away" present for Tom and Gloria Cabeen. Tom was the Pressroom Overseer and he and his wife were very close with Ray and Cynthia Franz, Ed Dunlap, and many others who were later disfellowshipped for apostasy or asked to leave Bethel for the same reason. Randy was Tom's assistant at the end.

    THE END...

    How final it sounds!

    But it wasn't the end.

    It was only the beginning of troubles for the Watchtower.

    Read on!

    IF YOU DARE!!!

    Note: All cartoons were made in the pressroom during working hours.


    witch hunt part I: the Bible Becomes "Suspicious"

    witch hunt part II: Inquisition

    Quak's secret cartoons from the pressroom

    Pressroom Conversion Tales

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