"The Conscience Rule" Started 1/19/09....Check this out!!! UNBELIEVABLE!

by minimus 36 Replies latest jw friends

  • rebel8
    rebel8

    I'm really not sure what rule you're talking about and I can't find the article you linked to, minimus.

    I've worked in healthcare for years. More than 15 years ago at least, there was a poster hung at the main timeclock in my hospital that said healthcare workers are not required to do something that violates sincerely-held religious beliefs (+ I think moral values). Nurses are not required to assist with abortions, etc. Plus all new employees are advised of this upon hire.

    I think it's a federal law already?? Are they expanding it or something?

    A patient could die because of a JW or Christian Scientist's religious beliefs!

    PS-I believe that is not correct, or was not, according to the regulation I mentioned. A medical professional loses their license for serious dereliction of duty, period. For example, say a patient comes in for abortion and has some sudden lifethreatening emergency requiring the abortion to occur immediately. The nurse who objects to abortion must assist until a suitable replacement can take over.

  • minimus
    minimus

    Google: the conscience rule jehovah's witnesses....plenty of stuff about it.

  • Nathan Natas
    Nathan Natas

    reductio ad absurdum,

    a reduction to an absurdity; the refutation of a proposition by demonstrating the inevitably absurd conclusion to which it would logically lead.

    Imagine that Satriale's Pork store has a sign in their window announcing "HELP WANTED." I apply for the job and get hired, then announce to my new employer that I am Muslim and will not touch pork, which is 100% of the store's business. If they fire me now they are guilty of religious discrimination. I have it made in the oasis.

    Logic.

  • Nathan Natas
    Nathan Natas

    re: "Lovely people"

    "You've got to remember that these are just simple farmers. These are people of the land, the common clay of the new West. You know... MORONS!" - Jim, The Waco Kid "Blazing Saddles (1974)"

  • rebel8
    rebel8

    OK—I Googled the keywords you gave. Actual Federal Register where the proposed regulation was published (August 08): http://edocket.access.gpo.gov/2008/pdf/E8-19744.pdf

    Seems this would revoke federal grants from health care agencies who punish employees for not performing specific tasks “contrary to his religious beliefs or moral convictions.’’ It mentions several scenarios, mainly abortions and sterilizations, and provides for employees to take a stance on either side of the coin, free of retribution from their employer.

    This is not much different than several regulations that are already in place, which are mentioned in the article above. It just revokes federal money—our money, in other words—from organizations failing to comply with existing federal regulations. This protection for employees has already been in place for at least 12 years according to the article.

    IV. Provisions of the Proposed Rule

    Section 88.1 Purpose

    The ‘‘Purpose’’ section of the regulation sets forth the objective that the proposed regulation would, when finalized, provide for the implementation and enforcement of federal nondiscrimination statutes protecting the conscience rights of health care entities.

    I don't see anything in the article suggesting employees will have more freedoms than they already have, in particular, that they will be permitted to allow patients to die in lifethreatening situations.

    Of course, all of my comments pertain to the proposed rule.

  • purplesofa
    purplesofa

    http://www.rhrealitycheck.org/blog/2009/01/26/what-were-they-thinking

    What Were They Thinking?

    As part of its far-reaching social agenda, the Bush Administration instituted a health care regulation so sweeping and vast, its potential to wreak havoc seems, to me, unlimited. Popular press tells this story as one about abortion, but that's just where the tale begins.

    Clever anti-choice operatives dressed up a malicious rule as an "anti-discrimination," measure. In actuality it promotes discrimination against those in need of care. It enables the self-righteous to hold patients and whole health care systems hostage to their personal, idiosyncratic beliefs. The "conscience" rule, went into effect January 19th, 2009, and as such is not subject to the Obama Administration's suspension of pending rules.

    The most dangerous section, 88.4 d 2, bars health care institutions and employers from requiring "...any individual to perform or assist in the performance of any part of a health service program..." if it would offend his/her religious beliefs or moral convictions. The next line stops employers from taking a person's refusal to "perform or assist" into account in decisions about employment, promotion, termination, or the extension of staff privileges. The rule covers anyone refusing to do their job for reasons of religious belief or moral conviction --- physicians, nurses, pharmacists, technicians --- apparently even cleaning and maintenance staff.

    The rule makes no exception for refusals that endanger the patient, and imposes no duty to give the employer or patient ample notice of a pending refusal. The refusers are not even required to make sure "non-refusing" staff are ready to cover for them during a crucial treatment or procedure. Apparently that's someone else's job.

    So let's get this straight. Anyone, anywhere, anytime, can claim an authentic, deeply held moral objection to any health care treatment, procedure or prescription and opt out, on the spot, leaving a patient high and dry. And there's not a thing the employer can do about it, because the Feds say so.

    How is this not a prescription for chaos?

    The righteous people at the Bush HHS spotlighted abortion, sterilization and contraception in this rule. But their rule certainly doesn't stop there. We have already written about the disastrous impact this rule is likely to have on end-of-life pain care, and especially the urgent intervention against suffering called terminal sedation. The rule exaggerates an already significant problem of under-treated pain by empowering health care personnel, including those at the bedside, who have personal moral or religious beliefs opposing aggressive pain care, regardless of the patient's agony.

    This rule could have a dramatic effect on all patients. How far could this go?

    Jehovah's Witnesses, one group with deeply held religious convictions, believe the transfer of blood and blood products is sinful. I don't think these good people have ever sought to impose their beliefs on others, or grind health care to a halt to accommodate their beliefs. But this rule certainly gives them license to do that if they wish. "Sorry," the Jehovah's Witness nurse, technician or aide could say to a trauma patient bleeding to death in the emergency room. "I can't help, even to carry the blood to the bedside. Find somebody else to go get it, or set up the IV to deliver it, or confirm it's the correct blood type." This sweeping rule even prohibits a blood bank from declining to hire a Jehovah's Witness in the first place, even if their convictions would bar them from performing any actual work at the blood bank.

    Another religious denomination with strong health care convictions are Christian Scientists, who adhere to Mary Baker Eddy's science of Christian healing and reject techniques of medical care. A Christian Science nurse, technician or other hospital worker could refuse to participate in any aspect of their job description, with full protection from the federal government.

    This is just the beginning --- just a few moral convictions enshrined in established religious denominations. What about the myriad of personal, idiosyncratic beliefs and convictions people usually keep to themselves? This federal rule might coax these private convictions into overt demonstration, given that we can't discriminate against the person who refuses to do their job because of them.

    Think of people declining to participate in any procedure or treatment that was tested on animals. Think of people who object, accurately or not, that a treatment arose from stem cell research. Think of anything a person could object to, then think how the objecting person could sabotage health care, put patients at risk and leave personnel policies in taters by exercising their new found "anti-discrimination" right.

    Finally, there's administration's absurd estimate of the cost of its rule on our already strained system. The estimate includes one person's time (they think 30 minutes will be plenty) to read the paperwork and certify that the institution complies. Nothing more. They conclude that this modest cost will be MORE than made up by the fantastic opportunities in health care for all the people who might have previously thought health care was not the career for them, because their deeply held convictions would bar them from actually delivering services. They were so wrong! According to this crazed policy, they should all apply for employment at their local health care institution, and finally get the world to conform to their convictions! At last they will really matter!

    Unfortunately, patients are the unwitting victims in the service of sanctimony.

  • StAnn
    StAnn

    I agree with Elsewhere. People shouldn't take jobs that conflict with their deeply held convictions. The problem with demanding that people violate their religious or moral beliefs in their jobs is that, essentially, you have the State deciding what religious beliefs are acceptable and which ones are not acceptable. That's more dangerous, in my eyes.

    My husband's family are farmers and some of them grow tobacco, whereas others quit because it violated their consciences. They now grow other crops. It is the responsibility of the person who is seeking employment to seek jobs that are in line with their beliefs.

    StAnn

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