Most of us Americans don't get mugged. We don't get shot. The police don't mess with us. In America, you are more likely to be murdered by your own family members or friends than a stranger. And most kids who are abducted are abducted by family members. America is safer than it appears to be on TV news, shows and movies. Granted there are neighborhoods that are less safe than others, but the majority of us live peaceful lives and will never be beaten, shot or tasered police.
American police Torture 54 year old woman for not moving.....
by Gill 48 Replies latest jw friends
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exjdub
Most Police ask repeatedly and give many warnings before using a taser or spray....why should they risk injury....if your in the wrong bad luck! Lay down on the ground or move when they tell you to.
Witness 007,
If this is true, then please explain why a man in the Orlando area was tasered in his hospital bed, handcuffed to the bed mind you, until he died? This was not an isolated event. The FL police love tasers and were using them improperly all the time in the Orlando area. Perhaps because you are in Australia you are a bit naive about the police in the USA. I have lost respect for law enforcement over the years due to the "entitlement" they feel, not only while on the job but also in their private lives, that make them think that they can do anything without consequences.
exjdub
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exjdub
Cop Charged For Using Taser Gun On Suspect In Hospital Bed
Prosecution's Best Evidence Is Police Officer's Own Report
POSTED: 6:21 pm EDT April 18, 2005 UPDATED: 7:35 pm EDT April 18, 2005
ORLANDO, Fla. -- For the first time, an Orlando police officer is facing criminal charges for misusing a Taser gun.
Video An affidavit reveals the officer used the weapon to obtain a urine sample from a handcuffed suspect, WESH 2 News reported.
The information filed Monday charges Officer Peter Linnenkamp with misdemeanor battery, and prosecutors said some of the best evidence against Linnenkamp comes from his own report on the incident.
Talk To 2: Should Deputies Use Taser Guns?Linnenkamp is facing one criminal count of battery for using a Taser gun on Antonio Wheeler while he was handcuffed to a Florida Hospital gurney.
"Based on what we have as evidence, this was not a safety issue. This was a compliance issue to provide urine. So that rises to a level of a criminal act. In this case, it's a misdemeanor battery," said state attorney's spokesman Randy Means.
In his report on the March 5 incident, Linnenkamp admitted to shocking Wheeler with a Taser gun twice.
"Only minimum force necessary was used. This attempt was deemed necessary by the (medical) staff," Linnenkamp wrote in the report.
"There are times when people have medical problems that we have to make sure people get the treatment they need," said Lt. Brian Gilliam, of the Orlando Police Department.
Wheeler told police he had swallowed crack cocaine, so they took him to the hospital. But Means said concern over Wheeler's medical condition was not reason enough for the officer to use a Taser gun on a restrained suspect.
"This was not within the scope of his duty. The Taser is supposed to be for compliance, officer safety and public safety," Means said.
"He's a good officer, but we'll just have to wait and see if his judgment was poor that night," Gilliam said.
The charge carries a maximum of one year in prison, but due to the veteran officer's clean record, if convicted, he'll likely face diversion, a fine and perhaps some retraining.
He'll be notified by summons and won't have to be arrested or booked into jail.
The Orlando Police Department has one of the strictest Taser gun policies in Central Florida. Just last year, the policy was rewritten and now requires that the suspect be actively resisting arrest before a Taser gun can be used.
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exjdub
That was not the story I originally thought of...the story above is an additonal event...
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Witness 007
Okay for the record there are idiots who do the wrong thing....the guy in hospital refused a urine sample for God's sake, you cant Taser him!! Or the officer in New York who Tasered a mental person standing on a high surface which was against the rules...{the Cop killed himself from guilt} But in the 1960's-90's American Cops would shoot first and ask questions later...now they have a Taser and dont you think it would have saved alot of lives?
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Witness 007
Also Pepper Spray....someone with Asma may die but how many people have not been shot due to this invention.
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exjdub
I think that there are a lot of idiots who do the wrong thing, these are not isolated incidents. I wouldn't equate using a taser, as opposed to a gun, as saving lives as I think that there is a different mindset with a taser due to the fact that it is supposed to be non-lethal. Would the cop have shot the guy in the hospital bed for "non-compliance"? I don't think so. But he had no problem with using the taser. Same thing with the guy on the platform. Is it protocol to shoot someone standing on a ledge? No, but the officer felt it was the right thing to do because the taser is "non-lethal". The taser is being used as a "compliance" tool rather than a last resort, which results in poor judgement when some big ego police officer is not skillful enough to reason with someone, or if he is not smart enough to walk away from a situation that he can't control...like the person in the hospital bed. If police don't have the judgement to use a powerful weapon properly and want to use it to bolster their ego, they shouldn't be in a position of authority in the first place. But because just about anyone can become a police officer we get a lot of people who wish to bend people to their will, rather than making sure that people are complying with the law. There is a big difference...
exjdub
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hillbilly
The taser is being used as a "compliance" tool rather than a last resort, which results in poor judgement when some big ego police officer is not skillful enough to reason with someone, or if he is not smart enough to walk away from a situation that he can't control...like the person in the hospital bed. If police don't have the judgement to use a powerful weapon properly and want to use it to bolster their ego, they shouldn't be in a position of authority in the first place~ exdub
I think the "poor judgement" is on the part of the big ego suspect who is to arrogant or stupid to listen to reason in the first place.
"Walk away from a situation he can't control"..so If you dont want to pull over, take a ticket, give a urine sample ... and pitch a hissey fit the police should walk away? After all what should we expect from an egomaniacal law officer with weapons. Yep...he should just walk away and let the problem just go on it's merry way.
They guy on the gurney.. yea, he shoudnt have tasered him. But suspects in dope cases say they "swallowed" the dope all the time. Most of the time they do it because it stalls a trip to jail while the E R checks them out and makes sure they wont die from the dope while they are in custody.
If the cop rushed the guy and hit him with a stick in the feild he would have been just as wrong. But we miss the point... when you get tagged in a drug stop dont swallow the dope.
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exjdub
I think the "poor judgement" is on the part of the big ego suspect who is to arrogant or stupid to listen to reason in the first place.
Thanks Hillbilly, you just made my point for me! Regardless of whether a suspect is arrogant or stupid, they still have rights. Of course when people like you have no problem taking away personal rights based on your personal judgement of whether someone is "stupid" or "arrogant", you might think what you said was reasonable. Additionally, regardless of poor judgement on the part of a suspect we hold our law enforcement to a higher standard, so it doesn't matter if a suspect's judgement is poor as the police officer is supposed to respond with responsibility and a lack of "arrogance" and "stupidity" with everyone.
"Walk away from a situation he can't control"..so If you dont want to pull over, take a ticket, give a urine sample ... and pitch a hissey fit the police should walk away? After all what should we expect from an egomaniacal law officer with weapons. Yep...he should just walk away and let the problem just go on it's merry way.
With this statement you have used exaggeration to try and blow the point up, however let's bring the point back to the ground. I never said "he should let the problem go on it's merry way". If the person who does not comply is doing something that is not within his right to do, there are legal consequences for him and the law has the right to prosecute him for a violation of law. The law does not have the right to taser someone just because the person refused to give a urine sample or even if they "swallowed drugs."
exjdub
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hillbilly
well ya talk a pretty good circle yourself
I watched the PBSO take a drunk out of a parked car in WPB a few years back. They asked him nice for over an hour to exit the car. The drunk wove his arms into the steering wheel... the cops cut the wheel with bolt cutters. By the end of the deal... 7 deputies ended up extracting the suspect and the suspect ended up with 2 broken arms out of the deal
Hill
