Watchtower Religion: A Controlled Experiment in Behavior Modification?

by cameo-d 23 Replies latest watchtower scandals

  • cameo-d
    cameo-d

    This is not rumor or hype. It really happened and has been documented. Not only that, I bring this up because I remember when it happened and I remember the cenus people coming around and asking questions health questions. Other people I know remember this and we talked about it several years ago after it became more commonly known.

    Congress also learned that in 1956, U.S. military personnel released mosquitoes infected with Yellow Fever over Savannah, Georgia and Avon Park, Florida. Following each test, Army agents posing as public health officials tested victims for the effective spread of this disease.

    It seems that many experiments have been carried out on people against their knowledge over the years. This happen in other countries, too. What has come out so far only seems to be tests concerning the possible use of bio-weapons. What kind of people are carrying out these tests? Are they mind controlled to have no sense of right and wrong? Do they have no feeling for human life? Do they excuse it as "just taking orders, just doing my job"? These are just a few other instances to show that higher powers do not have regard for the people they are supposed to help and protect.

    In 1966, U.S. Army bioweaponeers dispensed Bacillus subtilis variant Niger throughout the New York City subway system. More than a million civilians were exposed when army scientists dropped lightbulbs filled with the bacteria onto ventilation grates. Similar biowarfare canisters were released in London subways.

    In 1977, Senate hearings found that 239 U.S. populated areas had been contaminated with biological agents between 1949 and 1969. Some of the areas included San Francisco, Washington, D.C., Key West, Panama
    City, Minneapolis, and St. Louis.

    But what about mind control? Is there a powerful entity behind this who is conducting behavior mod through religious organizations or specific school programs? Why do they find it so important to keep records on people if it were not that they are test subjects to be followed? They have pretty much backed up people tracking by keeping you not only isolated from "worldy associations" but having records of everyone you know and associate with and the type of employment you may have now and in the future. What is so important that they need to keep this information if not to document experimental results.

    Do they see apostates as a personal failure of the behavior mod controls? Or will they conduct yet another experiment to see if you will coming running back to "safety" if and when world events take a dive for the worst?

    Do you feel you have been part of a possible mass mind control experiment?

    Do you think they have implanted trigger words in your subsconcious that will reel you back in if a great tribulation starts soon?

    Does it astound you now to realize the grip of control on other people and amaze you that you were able to get out of it?

    In 1966, U.S. Army bioweaponeers dispensed Bacillus subtilis variant Niger throughout the New York City subway system. More than a million civilians were exposed when army scientists dropped lightbulbs filled with the bacteria onto ventilation grates. Similar biowarfare canisters were released in London subways.

    In 1977, Senate hearings found that 239 U.S. populated areas had been contaminated with biological agents between 1949 and 1969. Some of the areas included San Francisco, Washington, D.C., Key West, Panama
    City, Minneapolis, and St. Louis.


  • Satanus
    Satanus

    It has crossed my mind. I could see the military taking note of some of the different cults for the purpose of evaluating their threat potential and perhaps studying their methods. However, i just don't see any evidence that any part of the american govt was behind the organising of the wt cult. You really need to provide some clues.

    S

  • abbagail
    abbagail

    "This is not rumor or hype. It really happened and has been documented..."

    Cameo, yo, I know. All very true, the human experimentation. As a person w/CFIDS for many years, we learn these things EARLY ON in our research-out-of-necessity. Another "example" for your list:

    [...]

    Testing via Mosquito Vector in Punta Gorda, Florida

    A report from The New England Journal of Medicine reveals that one of the first outbreaks of chronic fatigue syndrome was in Punta Gorda, Florida, back in 1957. It was a strange coincidence that a week before these people came down with chronic fatigue syndrome, there was a huge influx of mosquitoes.

    The National Institutes of Health claimed that the mosquitoes came from a forest fire 30 miles away. The truth is that those mosquitoes were infected in Canada by Dr Guilford B. Reed at Queen's University. They were bred in Belleville, Ontario, and taken down to Punta Gorda and released there.

    Within a week, the first five cases ever of chronic fatigue syndrome were reported to the local clinic in Punta Gorda. The cases kept coming until finally 450 people were ill with the disease.

    Dr Charles Engel, who is with the US National Institutes of Health, Bethesda, Maryland, stated the following at an NIH meeting on February 7, 2000: "I am now of the view that the probable cause of chronic fatigue syndrome and fibromyalgia is the mycoplasma..."

    Donald Scott, MA, MSs says he has all the official documents to prove that mycoplasma is the disease agent in chronic fatigue syndrome/fibromyalgia as well as in AIDS, multiple sclerosis and many other illnesses. Of these, 80% are US or Canadian official government documents, and 20% are articles from peer-reviewed journals such as the Journal of the American Medical Association, New England Journal of Medicine and the Canadian Medical Association Journal. The journal articles and government documents complement each other.

    An MRI scan of the brain of a teenage girl with chronic fatigue syndrome displayed a great many scars or punctate lesions in the left frontal lobe area where portions of the brain had literally dissolved and been replaced by scar tissue. This caused cognitive impairment, memory impairment, etc.

    [...]

    Source of quote: United Veterans Coalition:

    Human Experimentation: A Rule Gone Awry?
    http://xsorbit27.com/users5/unifiedveteranscoalition/index.php?PHPSESSID=d73b4da6528bb18040de33c2186c314f&topic=8422.0

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    That's just one insert in a long long list at this site, but this info has been documented in MANY MANY cfids journals and publications, along with all the others you describe. When you end up with a disease that "nobody believes in," you learn to do your homework, long before the internet was even available, the old fashioned way, books, newsletters, letters, phone calls, libraries, support groups, etc. I've been out of the "active" CFIDS loop for almost 10 years now (moved on, unwittingly still, to other "bigger" areas of the "conspiracy") so all the references and tons of documentation re: CFIDS are no longer fresh on the tip of my tongue as in days past.

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    Veterans are another group who have been "forced" to find their own answers about their "mysterious diseases."

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    An older 1996 highly documented book re: the political and scientific "conspiracy" re: CFIDS is: "Osler's Web: Inside The Labyrinth of the Chronic Fatigue Syndrome Epidemic."

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    Dr. Len Horowitz is another source for info on the subject of government sponsored "population reduction" via chemical, biological, toxic "warfare." He had a fascinating story of how his "awakening day" came, as do we all who "believe" in the globalist agenda.

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    "These are just a few other instances to show that higher powers do not have regard for the people they are supposed to help and protect."

    Amen to that. My head is not stuck in the sand.
    /ag

  • DoomVoyager
    DoomVoyager

    How do any of the experiments you cite prove in any way that Witnesses are a government plot?

  • Satanus
    Satanus

    'I absolutely DO NOT think the american government was any part of this, nor did I mean to imply that.'

    You mean part of the wt? I'm w you, so far.

    'I do question as to whether there is some organization which permeates and utilizes all governments and all aspects of societies at various levels.'

    You mean television? Hollywoodism? Many orgs are vying for influence among the masses, the govts, and each other. Alliances are made and broken. Some groups grow in power, others diminish. It's basically a jungle w corporate, religious and political orgs acting the animal parts, each having their alpha leaders, and the masses making up their herds. The leaders are fairly good at keeping order, generally. We call it civilization. However, while some orgs attempt to control everything, human nature is just too diverse, too unpredictable, irratic, self centered, lazy for that kind of thing to work for any length of time. As a human race, we still have a lot of monkey traits, not the peaceable bonobos, but the rambunctious chimps.

    'Clues? Help me. What could be the ultimate purpose of governments condoning this control of churches and making "non-interferrence" laws? Why do governments defer authority to religious institutions?'

    It's an ideal that was dreamed up a few decades ago, freedom of religion, and freedom, generally, at least more than in the centuries previous. Of course, those in power always have control and keeping order at the forefront. Wars are engineered occasionally, when they are needed to move toward some larger goal(s).

    S

  • abbagail
    abbagail

    "But what about mind control? Is there a powerful entity behind this who is conducting behavior mod through religious organizations or specific school programs?"

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    Read up on the TAVISTOCK INSTITUTE, its history, goals, strategies, plans, etc.

    Just a taste here:

    [...]
    John Rawlings Rees (who would be a co-founder of the World Federation for Mental Health in 1948) was Deputy Director of Tavistock at this time (he would become Director in 1932). Rees developed the "Tavistock Method," which induces and controls stress via what Rees called "psychologically controlled environments" in order to make people give up firmly held beliefs under "peer pressure."

    Rees' Tavistock Method was based on work done by British psychoanalyst Wilfrid Bion regarding the roles of individuals within groups. This design was later shifted in a series of conferences (1957-1965) led by A. Kenneth Rice, chairman of Tavistock's Centre for the Applied Social Research. The shift was to the dynamics of leadership and authority relations in groups. According to the A.K. Rice Institute, "In 1965 Rice led a conference in the United States, as the Tavistock Method began to be developed in the U.S. by Margaret Rioch and others. The A.K. Rice Institute is now the U.S. equivalent of the Tavistock Institute."

    In 1930, TIMP had been involved with the second biennial Conference on Mental Health, where psychiatrist J.R. Lord advocated challenging old values, saying "the aim should be to control not only nature, but human nature." And he spoke of the "necessity to disarm the mind."

    Rees went even further than this on June 18, 1940 at the annual meeting of the National Council for Mental Hygiene of the United Kingdom. In his speech on "Strategic Planning for Mental Health," he proclaimed: "We can therefore justifiably stress our particular point of view with regard to the proper development of the human psyche, even though our knowledge be incomplete. We must aim to make it permeate every educational activity in our national life.... We have made a useful attack upon a number of professions. The two easiest of them naturally are the teaching profession and the Church: the two most difficult are law and medicine.... Public life, politics and industry should all of them be within our sphere of influence.... If we are to infiltrate the professional and social activities of other people, I think we must imitate the Totalitarians and organize some kind of fifth column activity! If better ideas on mental health are to progress and spread we, as the salesmen, must lose our identity.... Let us all, therefore, very secretly be 'fifth columnists.'" (See MENTAL HEALTH, Vol. 1, No. 4, October 1940)
    [...]

    Source:
    "TAVISTOCK"
    Dennis L. Cuddy, Ph.D.

    http://newswithviews.com/Cuddy/dennis122.htm

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    Quotes from an article by Henry Makow, Ph.D. re: TAVISTOCK:

    War on Terror is Elite Mind Control
    http://www.savethemales.ca/001509.html

    [...]
    German psychiatrist Kurt Lewin, who became director of the elite-sponsored Tavistock Institute in 1932, developed the thinking behind 9-11. In the book "Mind Control World Control" (1997) Jim Keith writes:

    "Lewin is credited with much of the original Tavistock research into mass brainwashing applying the results of repeated trauma and torture [of individuals] in mind control to society at large."

    "If terror can be induced on a widespread basis into a society, Lewin has stated, then society reverts to a tabula rasa, a blank slate, a situation where control can easily be instituted from an external point."

    "Put another way: By the creation of controlled chaos, the populace can be brought to the point where it willingly submits to greater control. Lewin maintained that society must be driven into a state equivalent to an 'early childhood situation.' He termed this societal chaos 'fluidity.'" (Page 44)
    [...]
    Keith cites another Tavistock researcher Dr. William Sargent author of "Battle for the Mind: A Physiology of Conversion and Brain-Washing" (1957): "Various types of beliefs can be implanted after brain function has been sufficiently disturbed by ...deliberately induced fear, anger or excitement." (48)
    [...]
    Jim Keith: "The Kennedy assassination was a British Intelligence, i.e. Tavistock hit, and its purpose was to shock the American consciousness into a near-comatose state for reprogramming, the standard Tavistock modus operandi." (p.143)
    [...]
    Many young people became "dead heads" after Jerry Garcia's Grateful Dead. Keith writes:

    "An FBI internal memo from 1968 mentions the employment of the Grateful Dead as an avenue 'to channel youth dissent and rebellion into more benign and non-threatening directions.' [They] performed a vital service in distracting many young persons into drugs and mysticism, rather than politics." (179)

    Keith goes on to document CIA connections to the creation of mind control cults used to create "controlled chaos." These include the Symbionese Liberation Army, Jim Jones, Charles Manson, Scientology, the Unification Church, Son of Sam and Heaven's Gate. The John Lennon assassination also ties in. (183)
    [...]
    According to this web site, "Tavistock Institute has developed such power in the USA, that no one achieves prominence in any field unless he has been trained in behavioral science at Tavistock, or one of its subsidiaries." Read how Tavistock directs hundreds of elite think tanks and corporations in the United States. The degree of elite coordination is breath taking.
    [...]

    In the Comments section to the above article:

    [...]
    Kurt Lewin worked in conjunction with Brig. Gen. John Rawlings Rees, the director the Tavistock Clinic in London, which, since the 1920s, had served as a center of psychological warfare operations of the British Empire. He (Lewin--but also Rensis Likert, and Margaret Mead) was also involved in the planning, design and study of the 'terror' bombings in Europe and Japan during WWII. He thought that the sheer, inhuman terror unleashed in the fire bombings of Hamburg, Dresden, Tokyo, etc. would have a "desirable" and lasting impact on the surviving German and Japanese populations--totally depressing them and thus making them easy to control after the war ended. Lewin was truly one of the world's most evil and wretched of men. It is almost beyond belief that Lewin has such an esteemed reputation in the US.
    [...]

    [...]
    About the Tavistock Institute: "Oh, Great and Powerful Oz!"
    I heard somewhere that the Egyptians meticulously recorded their public control methods, since only the elite and their minions could read the record, and that the priest caste were chosen in childhood for their abilities to deceive. It's documented that legions of these bureaucrats labored 24/7 coming up ahead of time with ruses and prophecies that the Pharoh might exploit a coming solar or lunar eclipse for a publicity stunt to take credit for such things.
    Tavistock is the prototype for the 20th century think tank approach, which was an Illuminati project, deliberately modeled upon the ancient Egyptian Mystery School inside which were flim flam artists and marketing men working round the clock to come up with ways to promote the Elite as Divine and Omnipotent.
    [...]

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    Quotes re: TAVISTOCK from another Makow article:
    http://www.savethemales.ca/001487.html

    [...]
    ... the elite has been writing and directing the script for almost hundred years at the Tavistock Institute of Human Relations based in London. [John] Coleman, 71, a former British Intelligence officer (MI-6) , first exposed the clique that dominates the world is his classic Conspirator's Hierarchy: The Story of the Committee of 300 (1992)

    As its title suggests, his latest book is a rambling cry of despair: The Tavistock Institute of Human Relations: Shaping the Moral, Spiritual, Cultural, Political and Economic Decline of the United States of America. (2005). The book is confirmation that a financial elite engineered every war and depression in modern history and continues to condition our beliefs and behavior.

    According to Coleman, Tavistock began life before WWI to convince peace loving populations of the need to massacre each other. "Those fresh-faced young American boys from Arkansas and North Carolina were sent marching off to Europe believing they were "fighting for their country" never knowing that the "democracy" [Woodrow] Wilson sent them to "make the world safe for" was a Socialist-International One World Government dictatorship." (42)

    Funded by the royal family, the Rockefellers and the Rothschilds, Tavistock pioneered the techniques of propaganda used to justify war.
    [...]
    Coleman found that 94% of the key words and phases developed by Tavistock for WWII use "matched up with those used in the Korean War, the Vietnam War and the Gulf War." (153)

    Coleman's main point is we can't trust anything the mass media or government tells us, especially not the "News." He cites Stalin's propaganda chief Willy Munzenberg: "All news is lies and all propaganda is disguised as news."

    Coleman says society is rotten with institutions and organizations directed by Tavistock to deceive and distort. They are called "elite" institutions because of whom they serve.

    The conspiracy reaches right down to the local level. According to Coleman, Tavistock has an "invisible army" of actors found "today in the halls of justice, police, churches, school boards, sports bodies, newspapers, TV...town councils, state legislatures, and are legion in Washington. They run for every office..."

    Virtually every important corporation, university, think tank or foundation is linked to Tavistock. (See Conspirators' Hierarchy pp. 221-253 for a list.) It chooses the entertainers we watch, the pundits we listen to; the politicians we elect. Every US President since Theodore Roosevelt has been under its control. They made examples of rebels like JFK and Richard Nixon.

    Tavistock is behind every "spontaneous" social movement of the last century, including feminism, sexual "liberation", the peace movement, the "New Age" movement, environmentalism, homosexuality, and abortion.

    "The moral, spiritual, racial, economic, cultural and intellectual bankruptcy we are in the midst of today is not some social phenomenon...that just happened. Rather it is the product of a carefully planned Tavistock program," Coleman writes.

    We are constantly studied to see how we will react under stress. Orson Well's Martian invasion in 1938 was designed to demonstrate the power of the "news" to deceive. Coleman doesn't mention it but the power blackout in the Northeast was probably another study of mass behavior. So was New Orleans. Confident of our sedated sheep-like behavior, Coleman says Tavistock went ahead and massacred David Koresh and his followers at Waco after lying about his activities. (240).

    Tavistock follows Sun Tsu's maxim of "Kill a few; terrorize many." Coleman calls Winston Churchill's decision to bomb German civilians "a war crime." Dresden was "an outright attack on Christianity, timed to take place during Lent," he says. (188)

    According to Coleman, Tavistock is waging war on the Muslim world because Islam represents an obstacle to its control. (151) He claims Russia and China still have a measure of independence.

    [...]
    The public is constantly under psychological attack.
    [...]
    Coleman says 450 of the Fortune 500 companies get their marching orders from Tavistock. This may explain why TV commercials seem more concerned with behavior modification than with selling a product.
    [...]

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    Hitler and Stalin both attended the Military Psych-Ops War School at Tavistock
    [...]
    Since I learned of what Tavistock is and how long they've been around, I'm coming upon more and more names of people who were documented as having been trained by there, or attended seminars there. Irrefutably documented examples include, Angela Davis and founding members of the Black Panther movement. Attended seminars on Marxism and revolution, 1963-64. Also 'Cinque' of the 'Symbionese Liberation Army', of Patty Hearst fame.

    One week before he was murdered, John Lennon revealed on an New York radio interview (which I've heard several times), that the Beatles were created by Tavistock to launch a new paradigm for youth to abandon traditonal values for sex, drugs, and rock n' roll. He said he was he was going to reveal the whole secret and had come out of hiding to do so. Aside from this astounding revelation, Lennon never got the chance to tell all he knew.
    [...]
    Souce for the above two at Makow's site: http://www.savethemales.ca/001399.html

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    [...]
    The London-based Tavistock Institute is the central coordinating body for the cabal's mind control network. It was founded in 1922 by the British military to wage psychological warfare. Techniques developed for enemy populations were soon deployed at home. For the very wealthy, we are the enemy.

    The mass media is used to maintain domestic psychological control. According to Dr. John Coleman, the directors of the US TV networks, major newspapers and publishers were all handpicked by British intelligence (which organized the CIA.) For example, before becoming head of CBS, William Paley was trained in mass brainwashing techniques at Tavistock. (The Committee of 300; pp. 248-249)
    [...]
    http://www.savethemales.ca/060103.html

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  • abbagail
    abbagail

    This article is posted a various sites. It also mentions RAND CORP being one of the associated think tanks to the TAVISTOCK INSTITUTE, along with Stanford, MIT, etc.


    Tavistock - The Best Kept Secret in America
    By Dr. Byron T. Weeks, MD

    July 31, 2001
    http://www.unsaccodicanapa.com/htmlpages/globalcorporatepower.html
    http://educate-yourself.org/nwo/nwotavistockbestkeptsecret.shtml


    Doesn't WTBTS have "donated stocks" to the Rand Corp.? Many threads have been on this forum about that, and I don't remember the details.

  • abbagail
    abbagail

    "But what about mind control? Is there a powerful entity behind this who is conducting behavior mod through religious organizations or specific school programs?"

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    There is a ton of evidence about behavior mod/brainwashing taking place in the school systems, but I think you'll be harder pressed to find clear-cut "proof" about the WT in particular, though infiltration of the "churches" in general is part of the globalist agenda. That should be obvious from the path the churches have taken in the past 40 years or so (for those who pay attention to such things). The purpose of infiltration is to corrupt from the inside out all avenues of a "normal" society (the family unit, schools, churches, economy, etc.) to bring them all under the one world control, without much hassle.

    Change their minds without their realizing it and they will follow willingly. That's the whole point. War without guns via psychological manipulation and social engineering.

    It's only a personal opinion/"feeling," but I wouldn't be surprised if the WT was infiltrated long ago, if it wasn't set up intentionally in the first place as a controlled experiment. All we can do is "watch the signs," and the WT seems to be getting more strange as time goes on. Everybody wants to say its all about $$$, but it "could be" they are being TOLD to "slowly shut down operations" over a period of time as the "end" of their "experiment" is "nigh," to use a KJV biblical word. It's also just another "hunch" -- no "proof" whatsoever -- just a "feeling" the JWs are being "groomed" for some sort of "special assignment" in the world of the elite -- not the WT "elite" but the GLOBALIST elite... good little worker bees, ready-made subservient attitudes already well in place, to be "servants" in the elite's "Golden Age."

    But who knows... I've only ever heard ONE "first person" account from a former Illuminist family member that back in the 1940s the Mormons and the WT had meetings with the Illuminati. And this person was young then as her mother told her about it, which makes it more of a "second person" account. So that's the only thing I've ever heard DIRECTLY mentioning the WTBTS possibly taking on the "goals" of the One World [Illuminist] Society and possibly implementing them.

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  • cameo-d
    cameo-d
    We must aim to make it permeate every educational activity in our national life.... We have made a useful attack upon a number of professions. The two easiest of them naturally are the teaching profession and the Church:

    Wow. I suspected, but I have never seen this in print before!

    challenging old values, saying "the aim should be to control not only nature, but human nature." And he spoke of the " necessity to disarm the mind. "

    This would seem to confirm that there is a master plan. But why?

    Tavistock research into mass brainwashing applying the results of repeated trauma and torture [of individuals] in mind control to society at large."

    I am not well read on this and I have never heard of Tavistock before. I have read about the Monarch program but am still skeptical as to whether that is true. I don't think there are enough details to confirm that to me.

    About the Tavistock Institute: "Oh, Great and Powerful Oz!"
    I heard somewhere that the Egyptians meticulously recorded their public control methods, since only the elite and their minions could read the record, and that the priest caste were chosen in childhood for their abilities to deceive. It's documented that legions of these bureaucrats labored 24/7 coming up ahead of time with ruses and prophecies that the Pharoh might exploit a coming solar or lunar eclipse for a publicity stunt to take credit for such things.
    Tavistock is the prototype for the 20th century think tank approach, which was an Illuminati project, deliberately modeled upon the ancient Egyptian Mystery School inside which were flim flam artists and marketing men working round the clock to come up with ways to promote the Elite as Divine and Omnipotent.

    Abbagail, you are blowing my mind!!!

    I hope a lot of people will read this information you have provided. Thank you.

    Orson Well's Martian invasion in 1938 was designed to demonstrate the power of the "news" to deceive

    What a spectacular example! And it just went right over a lot of people's heads, still.

    One week before he was murdered, John Lennon revealed on an New York radio interview (which I've heard several times), that the Beatles were created by Tavistock to launch a new paradigm for youth to abandon traditonal values for sex, drugs, and rock n' roll. He said he was he was going to reveal the whole secret and had come out of hiding to do so. Aside from this astounding revelation, Lennon never got the chance to tell all he knew.
    [...]
    Souce for the above two at Makow's site: http://www.savethemales.ca/001399.html

    I never knew this. Surely he must have known he would be killed for talking. He was so talented. I miss him.

    RAND CORP being one of the associated think tanks to the TAVISTOCK INSTITUTE, along with Stanford, MIT, etc.

    I know about the WT rand stocks. I think Scientology was "born" out of some experiments at Stanford. I found some linking evidence.

    Abbagail, knowing all this, and knowing that "the event" is on the verge of fruitition, why do so many x-jws now put their heads in the sand instead of realizing what is almost upon them? They have heard it for so long....why do they deny that its about to come to a head?

    Thanks for all the research material. Very very good information.

  • abbagail
    abbagail

    "What is so important that they need to keep this information if not to document experimental results."

    Agree. Not just the WT keeping "records" but EVERY interaction you have today with ANYBODY, whether doctor, lawyer, dentist, retail store, post office, utility companies, businesses, etc. etc. They ALL want YOUR/OUR information. And I, for one, am sick of it. I resist giving out info if at all possible and still get what I want. ;-)

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    "Do they see apostates as a personal failure of the behavior mod controls?"

    Of course! But they probably "factored in" a ratio of "outies" who would leave, not "mold" properly in the group think, etc.


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    "Or will they conduct yet another experiment to see if you will coming running back to "safety" if and when world events take a dive for the worst?"

    Naaaa.

    Well, on 2nd thought, if they were keeping that good of records, they may have paid attention to any upswing in "attendances" after 9/11, as an example.

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    "Do you feel you have been part of a possible mass mind control experiment?"

    Not when I was "IN." ;-) Hindsight is 20/20.

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    "Do you think they have implanted trigger words in your subsconcious that will reel you back in if a great tribulation starts soon?"

    If they did, the Holy Spirit has long since removed them. No way would I go back even if the 7-year Trib starts tomorrow as I have learned too much to go backward.... I'm going upward!

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    "Does it astound you now to realize the grip of control on other people and amaze you that you were able to get out of it?"

    Yes, sadly, re: the "grip of control" over those who cannot yet "see."

    But not "amazed" about me getting out since it wasn't my own doing, but THANKFUL that I am out, YES.

    After doing a 21-day water fast while still "in," the Holy Spirit began nudging me about certain WT issues, but because I had zilch experience listening to the Holy Spirit's leadings, I suppressed them... so the Devil stepped in and sent along Mr. Irresistibly-Wrong and I got out of the WT by way of a long-standing tortured "romance." ;-)

    The "end result" is all good, though: Free of the WT, Free of Mr. Wrong, Totally forgiven by God's grace for both of those "errors," with a clear understanding of what "true" Christianity is, who the Lord Jesus is, the Hope of the believer, and totally awake and aware and watching the implementation of the globalist agenda for world government/religion/economy in fulfillment of Bible prophecy. No better time to be alive in all of history, as Jesus WILL be back soon... And VISIBLY, at that.

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