"The Bible Says... The Bible Says..."

by AGuest 45 Replies latest jw friends

  • AGuest
    AGuest

    To the Household of God, Israel... and those who go with... may you all have peace!

    My great goodness, dear ones... what did CHRIST, our Lord, say? Dear ones, the Bible is NOT our saviour. It is NOT our redeemer. It did NOT give its life for any one of us. It did NOT purchase any one of us with its blood. It CANNOT plead with the person of God for any one of us. It CANNOT forgive any one of us our sins. It CANNOT give any one of us holy spirit. It CANNOT resurrect any one of us from the dead. And it certainly CANNOT give any one of us everlasting life.

    It can only tell us about the ONE who did/can/will do all of these things... and what he may have said. And what does it say that that ONE said?

    "Come to ME... all you who are toiling and loaded down."

    "Come to ME... and drink."

    And yet, so many still fail to hear what HE said... even when they see it in writing. Omigosh. Day after day after day after day after day... I come here and see folks trembling in fear because they are unsure if they are "pleasing" to God and perhaps will die. Why? Because... "the Bible" tells them they are "unworthy." Yet, "the Bible" also says that there is One who has ransomed you FROM death. Which should you believe? That which has sayings of everlasting death... or He that has sayings of everlasting life?!

    I see folks throwing Bible verses back and forth, resurrecting the Law Covenant, and "read[ing] Moses." And I see more followers of Paul, than... well, one would think that he died for our sins, gave HIS blood for us. And, yet, "the Bible" says that even HE became frustrated when the people wanted to "follow" him, and he wrote "whenever Moses is read, a veil lies upon their hearts, but when there is a turning to the Lord... the veil is taken away!"

    This issue virtually drives me to tears almost every time I think of it: why do you wish to give your loyalty to an INANIMATE object, a talisman made of earthly materials, part of which is constructed into a "holy" thing to be worshipped... and the remainder to be thrown into the fire?!! Isn't it true? The book is made of paper and ink. The paper, from a tree. The ink from plants. But what of the pieces of the tree and plant that are not used? Can one part of something "holy" be holy... and the other parts not???

    Have you not read what the Prophet Isaiah wrote about such a thing? No? Then, let me quote it for you, please:

    "There is one who business is to cut down cedars; and he take a certain species of tree, even a massive tree and he lets it become strong for himself among the trees of the forest. He planted the laurel tree, and the pouring rain itself keep making it get big. And it has become something for man to keep a fire burning. So he takes part of it that he may warm himself. In fact, he builds a fire and actually bakes bread. He also makes a god to which he may bow down. He had made it into a carved image and he prostrates himself to it. Half of it he actually burns up in a fire. Upon half of it he roasts well the flesh that he eats, and he becomes satisfied. He also warms himself and says: 'Aha! I have warmed myself. I have seen the firelight." But the remainder of it he actually makes into a god itself, into his carved image. He prostrates himself to it and bows down and prays to it and says: "Deliver me, for you are my god." Isaiah 44:14-17

    Yes, I know, there are some who would say, "This is speaking about crosses, and idols, and such, but not the Bible." Dear ones, ANYTHING that you reverere... that you worship... that you consider "holy" and/or "sacred"... so that you put in the place of the TRUE Word of God, Christ... is an idol... a god. Your god.

    But why give such loyalty, such reverence, such worship... to anything else... when the TRUE Word of God... Christ, the HOLY SPIRIT himself... is ALIVE?? Does not the Bible say he is the Word of God? Does it not say that he is alive? Indeed, it does say so. And it says...to listen to him... to his voice. And nowhere is Christ recorded in the Bible to say, "Listen to others; others are your teachers; others are your leaders; others are your "elders." To the contrary, HE said "ONE is your teacher; ONE is your leader." He said, "The Holy Spirit... that one will teach you..." He said, "He that is to be greatest among you must be least among you." He said, "If I... being your Lord and Teacher... washed your feet, you ought to do the same way to one another." And the Bible records our His God and Father, our God and Father, to say: "This is my Son, the beloved... listen to him."

    Do you not know, dear ones, that by lauding the Bible and putting your faith in IT, you are doing the exact same thing as when Israel constructed a golden calf... and began to worship IT as the Most Holy One of Israel... even calling it "JaHVeh"... instead of waiting for the return of their mediator, Moses? Do you not understand that this worship, this reverence for an inanimate object... while you're waiting for YOUR Mediator, Christ, to return, is tantamount to Israel's same display of disloyalty and lack of faith? Do you not understand that Christ, who replaced the temple at Jerusalem, was the last "visible representation" of God... on earth... and so putting your faith in ANYTHING that constitutes a "visible representation" of God... or Christ... on earth... is IDOL worship? God... and Christ... are SPIRITS... and thus, are INVISIBLE... to the eyes of flesh. There is no visible representation of God on earth; there is only a "spiritual" representation, embodied in those who make up the Body of Christ. And who these are... has not yet been revealed.

    Some will say, "Well, we can SEE what is written in the Bible, but we can't SEE God or Christ." But whose fault is that? Theirs? Certainly not!! The fault... is OURS. We have been told how to see... and we have been told how to hear. Where? In the Bible... the thing in which so many put their faith! If we reject the instructions, ridicule the "key(s)"... can we blame anyone other than ourselves? It is NOT hard; indeed, it is quite easy... IF you do it the way the Doorkeeper instructs! But, no, we want to do it our own way. We want to stand before the Door, then choose our own method of gaining entry: a book. A book of books. A book of books, much of which is condemned by the One about whom it is written: "WOE, to you... scribes... and Pharisees!! Dear ones... who where the SCRIBES? What did they DO? Why did he prophesy woe for them? And who are they today? Who where the Pharisees? What did they do? Why did he prophesy woe for them? And who are they today?

    Dear ones, do you not understand that it is the need to see and hear... with eyes and ears of flesh... rather than eyes and ears of FAITH... is what allows "religion" to mislead you?? Must we be SO... [truly] blind... that all we can see is what "glitters"... and SO [truly] deaf... that all we can hear is what "tickles" the ears [of flesh]? We do not.

    Well, okay, then: if the Bible IS the be all, end all... why do you not listen to... and do... what it records our Lord to have said? Why do you listen... to everyone's words in it... but HIS?

    Abraham cannot save you. Moses cannot save you. David cannot save you. The Prophets cannot save you. The Apostles cannot save you. The saints/holy ones cannot save you. Paul cannot save you. You... cannot save you. There is ONLY One who can save you. And it is him, and him alone, that we must listen to... and follow.

    And so, you would ask, "Okay, Shelby, why do YOU refer to the Bible?" and I would respond, "Because your lack of faith forces me to. Because you will not allow yourself to entertain anything beyond what you can see and hear... with your eyes and ears of flesh. But, IF you would condescend to listen and look with eyes and ears of FAITH there would be no need for me to refer you back to any "written code." IF you would just entertain the possibility that our Lord IS alive... as the Bible says he is... and speaks... which the Bible says he does... there would be no need for me to refer you back to any written code. There would be no need for ANYONE to do so. Beause you would see... and hear... for yourselves. By means of him. And no other man... no other writing. No other "word."

    I will continue to pray for this for you, because I know how blown away you're going to be when it occurs, when you have grown enough so that you no longer need the "pedagogue" that is the Bible, because you are no longer a "babe"... but are able to walk as a "full grown man"... in Christ... with Christ, the Holy Spirit. I know how much you are going to rejoice when you allow yourselves to see... and hear... that which cannot be felt, which cannot be realized by the flesh. I know how much you are going to marvel when you make acquiantance with the "man" you are... on the inside... and use him to "see" and "hear" that which is of the spirit. I know how much you are going to rejoice when you are finally led... into ALL truth. You truly cannot imagine.

    I bid you peace... and ask your forgiveness for my fervor. But... you are worth it.

    Your servant, as I am servant to all those of the Household of God, Israel, and those who go with... and a slave of Christ... to time indefinite,

    SA

  • OUTLAW
    OUTLAW

    Aguest/Shelby..Hey girl!..Good thread,I like it!.........................As most people know,I`m not a Christian..But..I have Christian friends..One of them is Aguest/Shelby..We have communicated many times over the years and I have come to understand her..........So..For those of you who don`t quite get the meaning of her thread,I will put it in a nut shell for you......................The laws of the Bible came to an end,with the Arrival of Jesus..If you are a Christian,Jesus is the final word on "all matters" now..Not the Bible..Although you can find the words of Jesus,in the Bible.....If you are a Christian,look to the words of Jesus to guide your life...................................................It`s a simple message..One I find most Christian`s don`t understand.....Except those like Shelby......................Clint Eastwood...OUTLAW

  • AGuest
    AGuest

    Yes! What he said! LOLOLOLOLOL!

    I am sorry for the wordiness, dear OL (and the greatest of love and peace to you!!). Unfortunately, my verbosity is, apparently, a "virtue" with my Lord - I have learned that it is one of the reasons I have the assignment I do: I will say it, I will say it as I hear it... and I accept the consequences for doing so, if any, including being humored for being verbose (which was sweet of you, thanks!).

    One thing, though: almost everyone who knows me does say, "Shel, you always tell the truth, no matter what." Gets me in trouble, some times, yeah, but what can I say? I [unintentionally] lied... and was lied to... about these things long enough: won't stand for it anymore, and won't do it to anyone ever again.

    Peace to you!

    Your servant, and a slave of Christ,

    SA

  • OUTLAW
    OUTLAW

    (((Shelby)))..Your a character girl!..Gotta love you!..LOL!!..............Laughing Mutley...OUTLAW

  • sweetstuff
    sweetstuff

    Your servant, and a slave of Christ,

    My servant, ok how bout you start with the kitchen first? Just kidding of course.

    While I also am not a christian, I believe that the words attributed to Jesus were more about being more humane to each other than anything else, good motto to live by.

    But I gotta say, I'd much rather read a child of Christ, or a follower of Christ, than a slave of Christ, didn't Jesus say his yoke was kindly and his burden light? I think that would kinda imply he was looking for fellowship, not inslavement of mankind. IMO

  • frankiespeakin
    frankiespeakin

    Shelby,

    Isn't that all just circular reasoning in your essay?

  • AGuest
    AGuest

    May you have peace!

    I'd much rather read a child of Christ, or a follower of Christ, than a slave of Christ,

    Given the bad (and presumed only) connotation for the word, I can totally understand that. However, while our language is relatively infant, God's language has been around since before the founding of the earth. I use the word today with the same connotation it meant then and apologize that it is not what you would "much rather read." But it is accurate... and is the truth.

    didn't Jesus say his yoke was kindly and his burden light? I think that would kinda imply he was looking for fellowship, not inslavement of mankind. IMO

    Yes, and so HE calls us, as a group, friends and brothers. When he speaks to me individually, it is as "child." He does not call me his slave; I call myself his slave. Because, again, it is accurate and truthful. I have no problem with it. There are very people I would slave for (there are a couple/few, though, including my husband/children), but he is certainly the foremost.

    He offered HIS life for me... and purchased me with his blood, which should make me his slave/property. However, out of his LOVE... he has offered me the opportunity for eternal life, which would make me almost equal to him. A gift. To show my appreciation for the gift, I offer MY life to him... to do HIS will, versus mine. When it comes to him, therefore, I have no will. And, in my mind, that pretty much makes me his slave, and I am more than happy to profess it.

    I bid you the greatest of peace!

    Your servant... and a slave of Christ ...

    SA

  • frankiespeakin
    frankiespeakin

    Oh and I forgot,, listen to this discussion about classes of voices that the mystics hear.

    The Mystic Heart - Part 5

    http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7973061297603902967&ei=Dy2vSMvPOqeQqwO188DHDA&q=The+Mystic+Heart+-+Part+5+-+Psychosis+or+Mystical+State%3F%3A&vt=lf&hl=en

  • rebel8
    rebel8

    "Omigosh. Day after day after day after day after day... I come here and see folks trembling in fear because they are unsure if they are 'pleasing' to God and perhaps will die."

    If this is something you see in this forum day after day then I suppose you can provide a very recent example? I'm skeptical.

  • AGuest
    AGuest

    and peace to you!

    You mean, because of the "the Bible says that he said..." thing? Yep! And I wish I didn't have to do it, but unfortunately that's what most Bible readers want (and how they can be misled!).

    I could say that "My Lord said to me," which would be TOTALLY true... and I have. Unfortunately, many won't believe it... unless they see it in writing. That is because they walk by sight, and not by faith... which the Bible tells them NOT to do. Which is the very point of my post. If they would exercise faith... and simply LISTEN when he speaks... they wouldn't need the Bible. Or anyone/anything else. The Bible also says this.

    But I am not really concerned whether they believe me or not; I am not their teacher, leader or master. I'm just a servant. Perhaps what I am given to share will strike a "cord" with them (or perhaps it won't) and they WON'T need to go look it up, but will, instead, simply go to the One about whom the Bible speaks... and just ask: hey, is what this one is saying true? You know, simply... ask. And then listen to... and put faith in... the response.

    Here's hoping and praying.

    Your servant and a slave of Christ,

    SA

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