by Kent 82 Replies latest jw friends
Hi Scorpyo:
BTW, don't be surprised if Scorpyo expose himself to be the one and only Cyril Malka. ;-)What won't surpise you? That you will expose yourself or that you are not Cyril Malka?I will be surprised. :-)
The pattern and the manner in which you Britt are trying to move from the original focus is wellknown from the danish mailinglist and newsgroups.
EOD
SBR Henriksen
To Chasson
[QOUTE]Chasson, you write:
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>>Second he has promote his works as psycholog-analyst bye some very expensive conference of him.
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>I am sorry. I do not understand what you are writing here, so it could be true, it could be false.
You think that 1500 francs for three hour is not expensive. Do you think that in three hours you can give advice to a man who has a nervous breakdown to make him better. Three hours to stop pills ?[/QOUTE]
I still don't understand. You talk about an expensive konference by which Cyril is promoting his work. Next you ask me if I do not find 1500 F for three hours much.
What do those two things have in common? What do they have to do with the strugle against the cults? Should we also discuss prices of food? The salaires of the doctors? Any other "relevant" subject? (No, I find 1500 F for three hours very cheap. Could it stop the pills? That depends on the patient. But I guess this is not a psycho-analystic forum here.)
quote:I am sorry to disappoint you, but "frankly, my dear, I don't give a d....". No, I do not want to know. You can have a whole family there, if you like. Suit your-self. There are a lot of Danes i Denmark, so you have a lot to choose between. BTW - why do you write "Cyril or Britt"? Do you think Cyril is the kind of man to hide behind my skirts? Or do you think I am that kind of woman who does not have her own mind?
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>>Chasson: You know nothing about who is friends with Cyril. Nothing.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------->Is it a menace ? I am scared.[/QOUTE]
I know that English is not your first language, but how on earth do you find a menace in the fact that you don't know the friends of Cyril? Spooky!
Is Saturn has some influences on th Nasdaq tomorrow, Britt ?How should I know? If you are interessted in astrology, you should contact an astrologue. But my divine guess without checking with my horoscope is that you just thought you could look up something to hold against us. Please, be my guest. In the strugle against the cults it would certainly be an honourable job.Is Cyril has gone to a meeting in France ?Cyril has been to a meeting in France, yes, at the Assembly Nationale. He was the only one from Denmark, who was invited.[QUOTE]Now dear Cyril or Britt, you want to know in what occasion i have had a contact in Denmark.
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Britt Malka
www.malka.dk - www.etsectera.com
Sorry, forgot the word "and":
The pattern and the manner in which you Britt are trying to move from the original focus is wellknown from the danish mailinglist and newsgroups.The pattern and the manner in which you and Britt are trying to move from the original focus is wellknown from the danish mailinglist and newsgroups.
SBR Henriksen
Søren Bo R Henriksen
The pattern and the manner in which you Britt are trying to move from the original focus is wellknown from the danish mailinglist and newsgroups.You are right - I was wrong. I thought the whole idea with this forum was to discuss anything JW related. I thought the common goal with all this was to inform and warn people against the Watchtower Inc.
I see know more clearly that the real goal is to talk about Cyril Malka. How bad he is, how mean he is, how expensive he is, what he used to say, what he answered the time you said this to him, and he said that, oh, what a really bad guy ;)
So you and Chasson and Kent can keep on believing, like in the good-old-JW-days, that the world is divided into two parts: the good (us) and the evil (the others).
Whenever someone tells you that you are wrong, that there are shades of gray between the black and white, that there are even colours, they are wrong! They should be kicked in their behind, because they are so very wrong. They do not even deserve to live, do they?
Well, I guess my opinion couldn't change your way of seeing life anyway, so I will leave the playground. You can keep sharing the sand with your friends, without me polluting it.
Bye
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Britt Malka
www.malka.dk - www.etsectera.com
Hi! I'm Lea, and I haven't been long to this anti-cult/JW stuff, but I have an observation...(or should I say a suggestion?)
It sounds to me like all of ya'll work very hard to expose the detrimental effects of cults like the Jehovah's Witnesses. This is very inspiring and REALLY helpful to alot of people. WHY would you allow the same type of suspicion and egotistical behavior that you are fighting, hinder the progress that you can make?
It sounds to me that there are some egos at work here (not only Cyrils, sorry for spelling it wrong) and misunderstandings (with a language barrier, that can happen) and downright suspicion (how lucrative IS the cult busting business?). Why don't you just try to focus on what your true purpose is and see if you can't get over some of these obstacles?
Love what you're trying to do!
Lea
Hi everyone,
Since it seems I am the subject of the thread, and since it has actually taken some bandwith, I will make a struggle to my principles and answer to the accusations above.
I do not expect understanding or dialog, and I will not say more than the thing in that mail, as I find this kind childish and low. But since I am subject to discussion, I believe it is all right I show up.
I have been made aware of this discussion first by a mail and then by my wife, it seems a lot of things happend there... Now I believe we have to make things clear:
First: I am not identical to Scorpyo. It is correct, I know him though. For everyone interesting in zodiac (as Chasson) I am born on the 6th. of October, which make me a Libra (Balance, for the french speakings!) not a Scorpio!
It is correct, I live around the french city of Tours, in the center of France, but I don't live in Tours, as Chasson says.
Kent Steinhaug:
It is correct, I have had a good contact with Kent Steinhaug at a time, and then we stopped writing together. He never answered some of my mails even though I tried to ask him what the problem was. So whatever problem is there, I don't know about it. I got "expelled" without knowing why. Whatever the problem is, I am not aware of it and I have never commented it in public. Only my wife and good friends know my thought about this. Whatever else is there is between Kent and me (or in fact between Kent and Kent as I don't know anything else!) I don't know the details.
I will never call the man a "joker" or a "rocket scientist" in public, as I believe everything of this kind only helps WatchTower and others.
I am very happy that Kent took a copy of my site to his harddisk, as it will be a fine help if my server goes down, then I'll always have a copy somewhere, I can take down, I am sure, he wouldn't refuse me that.
About the news: I find my own news, I actually pay for some of them and I don't need you or "Watchtower Observer" to get the news. It is 100% correct that malka.dk is used by some newspapers (kristeligt Dagblad, Politiken, Jyllands Posten and others) as a primary information center. Not only about JWs, but also about other cult, as malka.dk sees it as an important role to be informative and helping about cults.
If you wish, you can ask me to fax you the articles of (among others!) Kristeligt Dagblad where malka.dk is named as primary source of the news.
We have some problems with this paper ourselves as I have the authorisation of the journalist to bring the article speaking of us on our webpage, but the editor refuses it. We have removed SOME of the articles from our page, but I believe they are going to be put on as soon as the syndicat of the journalists in Denmark has answered whereever I may or not put the articles on.
None has copyright on the news itself. Though it is illegal just to put the article on ones webpage (as you in fact do!). We are not doing this: We find the news, then find more backgroundabout the news and then put it (eventually!) on malka.dk. We are largely used by a lot of medias in Denmark. I am sorry it eventually pick on your proudness. We will not stop our job or what we are doing, even though you don't like it!
Soeren Bo Henriksen:
It is correct, I know the guy, as he came to my home, ate and almost lived with me and my ex-wife. I appreciated him a lot at the beginning until he kind of "flew away" and begin to believe he was me and my wife was his. Whatever happened in his head, I don't know, and I don't wanna know, I didn't think that it was a good idea my name was associated to his any longer, and I am, today, very happy that I took this decision.
It is correct that he helped Scientology so he could get to me. He, and the group of ex-JW's in Denmark answered letter to the sect of Scientology and helped them.
The case is: 3 women try to get their money back from the sect. When they got out of Scientology, they have actually signed a paper saying that they won't ask for more. Now they want their money bak (a bit more than $ 100.000.) Scientology won't let them get them, as they say, they signed a paper saying they wouldn't sue Scientology.
The women claimed, they were abused and weren't themselves when they signed.
The court wanted an "objective psychologist" to find out of that. I was asked for the job, but answered no, as I am NOT objective. I have NEVER and will NEVER be objective, as I am on the side of the victims in any case. I am NOT objective and never will in cult questions!
Then a bit later, I was asked to be a counseller for the three womens advocate. I gotta go through their courses, material etc. and we are going to try to prove that Scientology courses stinks and aren't real.
I have to be paid by the Danish state (appointed by the court) so I had to be accepted. I was asked for my references, which I gave. In between, I have writen that I was a counsellor for the Ex-Jws group in Denmark, which is correct, (you can read about this in a early book of the ex-Jw's magazines in Denmark!).
Now, this was sent to Scientology, as they are the other part in the case. They asked the Ex-JW's group in Denmark if this was correct. The Ex-JW's group answer was: no. It isn't. Which is actually a lie and can be easily proved by their own litterature (where did we read about that, eh?). Then they gave Scientology the adress of Søren Bo Henriksen, who actually critisized me in public every time he could.
Søren Bo Henriksen, was asked by Scientology if I was a counsellor for the group while he was president of it. To this question, he answered "no", which is correct, as he only was vice president while I was a counselor.
I have the letters, as they were used in court, and I will scan and send them to everyone who is interested.
It is also correct that Søren Bo Henriksen had made a kind of "cyber" helping page, which was called "Dialogos Counselling". As his habit, even the name wasn't his idea: Dialogos came from "DialogCenter", and SBH took the name from there. He called it Dialogos Counselling, so he registered the letters DC (as in Dialog Center) and tried to sue the Dialog Center hereafter... How great! In his homepage, there was nothing else than article critisising other anti-cults movement: Kristen Frihed, Dialog Center, me and later on the danish Ex-Jw's group! Anything but him was good enough!
He had in years written about me in Danish medias (years!) without I ever answered. He had send insulting mails to me every time he read an article written by me (I got the mails, just ask if you wish!) I have n-e-v-e-r answered. Especially not in public. Still because I have this idiotic belief that anti-cults SHOULD NOT fight each other.
Then SBH had articles from the danish newspaper "Kristeligt Dagblad" on his page. The newspaper asked him to remove them. He did. Some time later he putted an article from KD on his website. This one about NLP. Now, this article was from the newspaper Kristeligt Dagblad, but the stuff in it came from our website and from our interviews. It is correct, I said to the journalist, her article was on SBH site. She sued him through the danish syndicate of journalists (DJF) for an amount of about 17.000 DKr.
SBH knew that DJF didn't sued people without money, so he put his site (and Dialogos Counselling - help to people in distress because of cults!) down, so he hadn't to pay the bill. Dialogos Counselling exists no more.
I can prove everything of this to anyone who would like it (in private!)
Soren Bo Henriksen, you, who are quick to speak bad about me in the press. May we have some straight answer here (and remember, I will prove everything by mails, papers I have from you!)
1. Did you or did you not help the sect Scientology against me? Even though you KNEW it was to be used in a case against Scientology? The letter was written by Karna Jensen on Scientolgys own letter paper and it was said, it was to be used in a court of law. did you, or did you not help them against me?
2. Did you or did you not got a letter from Anne Korsholm, in a standard of DJF saying you had to pay a bill for the illegal use of her paper about NLP where my wife, Britt, and me were the source?
3. Is it correct or not, that you then put your "Dialogos Counselling" down because you then didn't have to pay this bill?
4. Is it correct or not, that you tried to frame me, that you tried to make me look like if I have pulled myself as a "psychologist" (as I have never tried to!) to different people, press or people, as for example my former patient: Judy Prescott? (she authorized me to use her name and mails to you if needed! those would be send to anyone who want to know the truth!)
Now, since you participate to this debate about taking me down, and just make an "EOD" when things get hot, I would suggest you answer those questions or admit what you did (at least! A bit of honnesty!).
Chasson:
I didn't trust you while you were a JW, as you said a lot of things which were way out. I still don't trust you, you are too unstable.
I have, in fact asked on usenet, about getting some more infomations about the e-meter (especially in english) as I needed it. I don't believe it is important to you to know why. If you believe than being "specialist" means "never need to ask questions that might seems obvious for you", then I believe you are wrong.
I still ask questions about what I don't know, and I do admit my mistakes if I make some (as I surely do, who doesn't?) I don't think this is "bad" or meaning I am "not a specialist" because I ask questions or because I would like to have my sources checked or else. This is, in fact!, the way to become a specialist: admit what you don't know and learn. Only idiots or the WT wouldn't accept this fact!
It is not correct that I try to sue everyone. The question of the barking dog was because of one of our neighbors. This is correct.
But it is also correct, that Malka isn't scared of lawcourt if needed. Lot of people have tried to take us down: Herbalife, Scientology and others. This has never happened, and this will never happen! www.malka.dk will always be!
About money, Chasson, since it seems so important to you. Correct: As a specialist, I take a lot of money for courses or for help in law. Those people want the knowledge I do have, they have to pay. What is it to you? The 1500 you speak about, is for courses. This means: You might be 100 people to pay for this!
Why?
Because for my therapy, I have always been cheap. Because I don't believe that the people who can affoard a psycho analyst are the one who need a psycho analyst!
I know my job. I am great at my job (even though it might be a bad taste to say so!) and I like my job! I love it!
Now, Soren Bo Henriksen, who is eager to take me down knows this: I have taken as few than 5 Dkr. an hour for "patients" (about 4 French Francs, under $1!) an hour! Why? Because the Ex-JW didn't have money? Why? Because Ex-JWs are almost as Ex-Scientologst or others: They have no money! They have learn to clean! This is all! They have no education! They have no income! Let's say it: They can't afford it!
Well, then I asked my patient for a 5'er an hour. Why? Because people HAVE to pay for treatment, to learn this is THEIR responsability to get better. The rest? Well... I had to work on the outside as an nurse-aid of a kind so I could pay the bill and support my family!
I have spoke to people, couples or not, to far out in the night and helped them for free. Nothing. Not a G-d damned thing. I have helped the Ex-Jw's syndicate in any way I could, for nothing!
I have as well helped the syndicate to try to get founds and money. All that I have done at my expenses, with the help of people I knew and I have "used" their knowledge. In fact, this is the deal, everyone: Give!
I give everything I know, or get, or people tell me. I believe that giving knowledge is the key. I NEVER keep anything for myself, but always give the information on. This is why malka.dk has become a source for a lot of people.
So yes: People who wat me to keep courses, hold a tale or need my knowledge: They have to pay cash, and it is expensive. I have worked hard for it, and it costs a lot. People who need help, have (and will!) always get for free. Almost. As told, there is a therapeutic goal in the fact that people "pay" for treatment.
At last, Chasson, yes, me and my wife are members of astrological syndicate. On that I would say: whatever our faith is, is NOT your problem: We believe in God and in Jesus, we are catholics but we are not following the Pope whenever he says! I love my wife, as you love yours, and I am as human as you. I do have weekness, as you, as Kent, as everyone... what then? Are you happy to find one?
Anyway: It is correct that in a work about astrology, I have got my horoscop laid, we got to pay less if we became members of astrology syndicate... Whatever: I am half jew! Whenever I can spare a cent! I do! We paid less.
If I may: The personal analysis was quite accurate! I was real impressed and even though I didnt believe in "this", I got shaked!
Anything wrong? Even though I did believe in Astrologoy? How far would you go to get on me?
Now, as a finish:
- Kent: I don't understand what your problem is with us. Whatever it is, it is YOUR problem, not ours. Don't try to get us down... A friendly advice to you.
- Søren Bo Henriksen: Noone serious listen to you in Denmark, and you know it! Get growing. Become a man. Try to get right, you have still the chance. You might become to somebody. May I give you the tip? The tip is: Think of others, not of yourself!
- Chasson: You aren't serioous enough! You talk loud but never get on from the Internet. Whatever you have against me.... I don't know... Your problem, your work... The fact is: You don't do nothing: All that you do is translate articles from Kent to almost allright french. (It surprises me you can judge my french, with the grammaticals and vocabulary mistakes you do yourself!)
It is okay though. I never got you down on the french newsgroups, when you let as you came with a news... I let you have it. Even thougt it is 100% illegal: You translated it from Kent, which got it from a mewspaper somewhere without authorization... did you, Kent?
I have to make clear: The papers about CLH: I got it in may mailbox (not my cyber one!) a long time ago, together with a lot of other documents. Those are original documents, and they are not from Kent or others... I have alway worked alone, and I always will. I have never used anyones work, and I never will.
As I said to the person, who send me mail about that I was subject to discussion here, and as I said to my wife before:
- People think, what they want to think... Intelligent people will (sooner or later!) find out what is wrong by themselves. No need for me to defend myseld. Idiots will think whatever they want to. It doesn't matter what I say or not... Why bother?
This is my firs and last answer to this group. I can ( at the opposite of others!) document everything I say, all you need to do is ask.
Because idiots are idiots and can't be taken out of it, I will ask my wife and Scorpyo (who isn't me!) to drop it! Please don't answer any accusations against me, you can't change idiots mind anyway... Forget it.
This is my first and my last mail on this group. Anyne who would like to know more is welcome to write to: [email protected]
CU
Cyril
To Cyril:
Now, since you participate to this debate about taking me down, and just make an "EOD" when things get hot, I would suggest you answer those questions or admit what you did (at least! A bit of honnesty!).Don't worry Cyril, I'll respond to your mail soon.
SBR Henriksen
Hi all,
As Cyril asks, I will drop out of this discussion and I haven't change my mind about him, on the contrary...
Cheers,
Scorpyo
Hi all,
As Cyril asks, I will drop out of this discussion and I haven't change my mind about him, on the contrary...
Cheers,
Scorpyo
A little word to Cyril: Wait till tomorrow, i will answer ;-)
Bye
Charles
