Cross is a pagan symbol, watchtower is a pagan symbol too

by Noelle 55 Replies latest jw friends

  • Noelle
    Noelle

    You all Jehovah Witnesses that said Jesus didn't die on a cross but on a stake your wrong because the Romans were pagans and what better way to crucify someone than on a pagan symbol. I have a fact that you need to listen to as well, the watchtower which you symbolize is a pagan symbol as well. Oh no how can that be you ask, well let me tell you.

    In ceremonial magic and some traditions of Wicca and Neopaganism, the four cardinal points are believed to have spiritual guardians called Watchtowers. Alternately, the Watchtowers are the abodes of the guardians. Often believed to represent the four elements, the Watchtowers are invoked during ritual to cast the magic circle. They may be pictured in the imagination or represented with tablets or other physical symbols.

    In many Wicca and Witchcraft systems the Watchtowers are evocational symbols of spiritual beings known as the Watchers or the Grigori. Each Watchtower is associated with one of the four quarters of north, east, south and west. In some traditions the Watchtowers are associated with the four elements of earth, air, fire, and water. They are also each linked to a specific star. The north Watchtower is Fomalhaut, the east is Aldebaran, Regulus marks the south, and Antares is the west.

    In archaic Roman religion, small towers were built at the crossroads, and an altar was set before them upon which offerings were given to nature spirits. Guardian spirits known as Lares were associated with these towers and with demarcation in general, as well as seasonal themes related to agriculture. Here we may find a connection between the Lares and the Grigori of Italian Witchcraft. These towers may be the foundation of the "Watchtowers" appearing in the ritual circles of Wiccans and other modern witches.

    In the Enochian system of magick, brought to public attention by Dr. John Dee and Edward Kelly in the 16th century, we find the inclusion of Watchtowers as complex evocational designs. Some people believe that the Watchtowers have their origin in the Enochian magic system revealed to the Elizabethan magician John Dee and his scryerEdward Kelley, which was later developed into a working system of magic by S.L. MacGregor Mathers. According to Dee’s diaries, the two men summoned an angel, which Kelley saw in a magic stone; Dee recorded the revelations which Kelley narrated to him. Among the surviving records of the Angelic Operations is A Book of Supplications and Invocations which "deals with the Invocation of the Angels who preside over the Four Quarters of the Terrestrial sphere." At the core of the instructions was the Angelic Table: a grid of 25x27 squares, each square containing a letter. The Angelic Table is subdivided into four lesser grids for the four elements and the four directions, bound together by the cross-shaped Tablet of Union. They are used to call upon the aid of angels ruling over the four directions. The names of God and the angels to be used in the invocations are extracted from the tablets. The four tablets are often called the Enochian Tablets because the letters may be written in the Enochian alphabet also revealed to Dee and Kelley by the angel.

    Dee’s work was revived and expounded upon by the Hermetic Order of the Golden Dawn, primarily through the work of S.L. MacGregror Mathers. In the Golden Dawn magical system, the four Angelic/Enochian Tablets became the four Watchtowers. Each Watchtower was attributed to a direction and an element, as in Dee’s original revelation.

    • The Great Eastern Quadrangle of Air
    • The Great Western Quadrangle of Water
    • The Great Northern Quadrangle of Earth
    • The Great Southern Quadrangle of Fire

    The Tablet of Union was rearranged to form a rectangle attributed to Spirit or Ether. The tablets were brightly colored; squares attributed to the elements were painted in the color of that element, with lettering in complementary colors.

    • Air - yellow with violet letters
    • Water - blue with orange letters
    • Earth - black with green letters
    • Fire - red with green letters

    The use of complementary colors, called flashing colors in the Golden Dawn, means that the Watchtowers belong to the class of talismans called flashing tablets. The flashing colors were supposed to draw energy from the atmosphere. The painted tablets were placed on the walls of the temple during some rituals to symbolize the four quarters. A favorite ritual in the Golden Dawn was the Opening by Watchtower. This is actually a preliminary ritual to purify space and call upon the guardians of the four quarters, similar to casting the magic circle in Wicca. As part of the Opening by Watchtower, the practitioner uses the elemental weapons to summon the angels of the quarters. In the south, for instance, the practitioner uses the Fire Wand to trace an invoking Fire Pentagram, then summons the angels using the three names of God found in the Fire Tablet:

    OIP TEAA PEDOCE
    In the names and letters of the Great Southern Quadrangle, I invoke ye, ye Angels of the Watch-tower of the South.

    The Watchtowers were among the Golden Dawn concepts introduced into Wicca (modern witchcraft) by its founder Gerald Gardner. The complicated tablets and Enochian names were largely abandoned, but Wicca retained the Watchtowers as "the four cardinal points, regarded as guardians of the Magic Circle". They are usually mentioned during the casting of the circle. In a conservative tradition such as Gardnerian or Alexandrian Wicca the invocation of the Watchtowers begins in the east; the practitioner traces an invoking Earth Pentagram while saying;

    Ye Lords of the Watchtowers of the East, ye Lords of Air; I do summon, stir and call you up, to witness our rites and to guard the Circle.

    Other Wiccans, especially eclectic and solitary practitioners, may employ less formulaic invocations, choosing instead to express their creativity in ritual. Some invocations draw attention to the elemental attributions of each quarter, as in this example:

    Hail, Guardians of the Watchtowers of the East,
    Powers of Air!
    We invoke you and call you,
    Golden Eagle of the Dawn,
    Star-seeker,
    Whirlwind,
    Rising Sun,
    Come!
    By the air that is Her breath,
    Send forth your light,
    Be here now!

    Many Wiccan circle-castings no longer mention the Watchtowers by name. Another important development is experimentation with the attribution of elements to the directions, instead of adhering to the attributions used by the Golden Dawn and Gardnerian Wicca (north/earth, east/air, south/fire, west/water). Many Wiccans perceive themselves as participants in an earth-based religion; they believe their practices should reflect their living experience of the local environment. Both the Golden Dawn and early Wicca had their home in the British Isles; traditional attributions derived from the British climate may not appeal to or work for practitioners in other climates. A special instance of this problem is the circumstance of Wiccans living in the southern hemisphere, who tend to perceive the north, not the south, as the direction most characterized by fire and heat. Some Neopagans choose to follow the practices of a historical pagan group with whom they identify, or conform to local traditions; either choice may dictate a change of attributions.

  • james_woods
    james_woods

    Thanks Noelle -

    Practically none of us here (we are not JWs unless trolling or leaving it) buy the torture stake vs. cross argument, and there was a recent thread on how silly the watchtower emblem symbolism really is. They used to publish pictures of the cross themselves, and the pyramids too, as well as many things which would be now considered occult or at least Masonic in origin.

    By the way, did you know that the Witnesses would think your post name to be pagan too (Saturnalia, after all)...

  • sacolton
    sacolton

    More proof that the WTB&TS is a pick and choose religion. Almost everything has pagan origins. Wedding rings are pagan. Heck, the bible even first mentions of a ring belonging to a pagan ruler. Hypocrites!

  • leftbelow
    leftbelow

    Noelle: Great thought about the Watchtower being a pagan symbol I have thought about doing the research but never took the time.

  • WTWizard
    WTWizard

    This is a great point. I have noticed that the Washtowel Slaveholdery hypocritically denounces all forms of idolatry. They proudly point out that they have no crosses, statues, or graven images in their Kingdumb Hells. And yet, in the front of just about every Kingdumb Hell is a Watchtower symbol!

    One might call that a trademark. Which might be the case if they were representing themselves as a company. However, they do not. They claim to be the true religion. And this Watchtower symbol is present in the front of the buildings, in one form or another, just as crosses are present at churches. People in the witless religion treat it like those in churches would treat the cross.

    This isn't the only idolatry practiced in the witless religion. To start, they are required to worship the Filthful and Disgraceful Slavebugger. Don't believe me? What happens if someone disagrees with the Filthful and Disgraceful Slavebugger, and can prove it from the Bible? They are supposed to teach the wrong teachings until the Filthful and Disgraceful Slavebugger gets around to changing it, and then they are supposed to teach what they put out instead of what the Bible teaches. If you do not, you will get disfellowshipped for running ahead of the Celestial Chariot, or the Filthful and Disgraceful Slavebugger. Note that this is blatant idolatry!

    Another idol is the hounder body in the congregation. You are supposed to hold the hounders as worthy of double honor, whether or not they deserve it. This means following their rules and counsel, even if it does not come from the Bible or the Filthful and Disgraceful Slavebugger. If they counsel you to just meet men and you try to meet a "sister", you can be put in this category. If they make a rule that there will be no "conscience matter" items done in your congregation, and you commit a "conscience matter" article, you have just disobeyed "theocraptic order" and can get disfellowshipped. For not worshiping the hounders. On a matter that the Filthful and Disgraceful Slavebugger has not expressly forbidden.

    Field circus is another idol. People will give up much to make room for more field circus. Hobbies of all kinds have to go. You are not supposed to go to college. You are supposed to work just enough to make just enough money to do field circus, and then waste your time (and probably your health) out in field circus. To me, that too is a form of idolatry. A blatant one, too.

    I am sure there are many other blatant forms of idolatry that take place by design in that organization. And they condemn people for "worshiping" the flag, the sun, themselves, money, and even Jesus!

  • BurnTheShips
    BurnTheShips

    Thanks for the info, but I think any common motif (cross, watchtower) will have a pagan variation.

    BTS

  • nelly136
    nelly136

    i think the caduceus........wand of hermes

    or the rod of Asclepius ....greek god of medicene/healing

    is quite a nice touch on the medic/no blood alert bracelets.

  • White Dove
    White Dove

    Thank you for your research. It's valuable. In Revelation, it mentions the four angels guarding the four corners, I think. The Bible is a pagan book. Numerology (Revelation has many numerical references), symbology (is that a word?), and mythology (yet another Jesus story from paganism renamed) run free in its pages.

  • Sirona
    Sirona

    I enjoyed that accurate summation regarding Watchtowers.

    I hope some lurking JWs will realise the hypocrisy of the religion.

    Sirona

  • yadda yadda 2
    yadda yadda 2

    Very Interesting, but a Watchtower is also a symbol straight from scripture. Just because the JW's use the Watchtower symbol doesn't mean they have borrowed it from occultic practices. That's fallacious reasoning. It's like saying that because the JW's use the word "Hall' for their places of meeting, they must have borrowed it from Freemasons because they have Masonic halls.

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