Notes From Hawaii-Gerrit Losch Talk

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  Save My Soul

  A (conditional) friend sent me some notes from the talk in Hawaii. Gerrit was the keynote speaker. I am not sure if this was posted already, but enjoy if you have not read this.

  Before this talk was given the chairman said the audience could make audio recordings for their personal use but specifically requested that they not make additional copies. Here are notes from someone who was in attendance. WHAT THE NEAR FUTURE HOLDS January 27, 2008 ( Hawaii zone visit) - Gerrit Losch Although we cannot know our individual future, we do know mankind's immediate future (2 Peter 3:17 'You, therefore, beloved ones, having this advanced knowledge.'). God keeps us informed and He cannot lie (Titus 1:2). What will occur in the near future? · There will be an international statement or situation where people will cry out 'Peace and Security' ( 1/15/03 Watchtower). This has not yet occurred. We don't know if it will be a desire for peace or a belief that peace has been achieved. · Matthew 24:14 has been fulfilled (every day 3,000,000 hours are spent in the ministry). · The Great Tribulation has 3 stages: 1) Destruction of Babylon the Great, 2) Period of time in between Babylon 's destruction and Armageddon, and 3) Armageddon. · 1) Disgusting thing standing in the holy place (Matthew 24:15, Luke 21:20 ) o This occurred in 66 CE under Cestius Gallus when Jerusalem 's wall was almost undermined. The Roman armies were disgusting because of their idolatrous ensigns. In 70 CE General Titus came to destroy the city. o Unfaithful Jerusalem pictures unfaithful Christendom. Political nations within the UN will devastate Christendom, but it has not yet begun taking its threatening position against false religion ( 5/1/99 Watchtower, page 16). § Terrorists, such as Al-Qaeda, are targeting political nations, not religious organizations. o Governments will confiscate all religious bank accounts and property. They will probably imprison clergymen and possibly kill them. o Unless those days were cut short (Matthew 24:22), no flesh will be saved. This referred to the days in 66 CE (not 70 CE). Therefore, the modern application is at the beginning of the Great Tribulation - the destruction of Babylon the Great (not Armageddon). Unless those days were shortened, no flesh (true Christians) would be saved. · 2) Between 66-70 CE the Jews were divided into factions within Jerusalem . Food ran out and people were prohibited from leaving the city. This occurred 'immediately after the tribulation of those days' (Matthew 24:29), referring to the destruction of Babylon the Great. o The sun will be darkened, the moon will not give its light, and the stars will fall from heaven. The 2/15/94 Watchtower, page 20, indicates that this will likely be frightening phenomena in the sky more impressive than what was observed in Jerusalem . o Josephus recorded that a comet appeared in Jerusalem in the first century and remained for 1 year (very unusual). o Matthew 24:30 and Luke 21: 25, 26 indicates that men will beat themselves in lamentation and become faint out of fear. This happens during the Great Tribulation. Don't apply Luke 21:26 about men being 'faint out of fear' to today. o Luke 21:25 mentions 'the anguish of nations, not knowing the way out because of the roaring of the sea and its agitation'. Brother Losch said this could also have a literal fulfillment (e.g. tsunamis). o Luke 21: 27 describes mankind as seeing 'the Son of man coming in a cloud'. This sign is in heaven (not on the earth). Therefore it is not the sign of Jesus' presence, which has many facets here on earth today. Rather, everyone will recognize that what they are seeing is supernatural. o Matthew 24:34 'this generation will be no means pass away until all these things occur'. The anointed Christians still living will see the fulfillment of all the things foretold regarding the Great Tribulation, including Jesus' execution. However we do not know if they will survive Armageddon and enter the New World . o There will be a final attack on God's people by the King of the North before Armageddon. We still cannot identify the King of the North and should not speculate (Daniel book page 281). We may not know until the attack on true Christians actually begins. This attack will probably parallel Gog's attack described at Ezekiel 38. · 3) At Armageddon, everyone will recognize that it is divine judgment (Revelation 1:7 'every eye will see him'). o Zechariah 14:12 'There will be a rotting away of one's flesh, while one is standing upon one's feet; and one's very eyes will rot away in their sockets, and one's very tongue will rot away in one's mouth'. Jehovah may use radiation to destroy the wicked. (Yes, Brother Losch actually said 'radiation'). o The final separation of the sheep and goats will take place at this time. We must be prepared. At an hour that we do not think it to be, the Son of man is coming (Matthew 24:44). · Matthew 24:17 'Let the man on the housetop not come down to take the goods out of his house'. How could he flee without coming down from the roof? He would take the outside stairs or ladder, not bothering to go down through the house. o We must be willing to leave everything behind! The first century Christians had to run - it meant the loss of absolutely everything. But their flesh or lives were saved. o We will lose our homes, businesses, etc. We may be tested by how we view material things. o The Christians in the first century fled to the mountains. Jehovah's mountain-like organization will offer protection (God's Kingdom could also be the mountain that we flee to). Some doubt the nearness of the end because there are still so many to reach: · There are 1.3 billion people in China (although we are preaching there) · 1.0 billion in India where 80% have never been witnessed to · 1.0 billion Muslims (although we are legal in the largest Muslim country, Indonesia , which has a population of 50 million more people than Russia ) But Jesus said that we would by no means complete the circuit of cities (Matthew 10:23 ). He said this after explaining what they should do when people persecute them. We don't know if Jehovah will open up other territories. He could do so in a way we never imagined. Regardless, we know that each life is precious to Him and we should work hard to preach to everyone. The end is near. Revelation 17:11 described the UN as the eighth and final king. It has already lasted 3 times longer than it did before going into the abyss (as the League of Nations ). After Armageddon there will be a lot of work to do. Anyone who thinks the Thousand Years will be a long vacation is mistaken. We will have to cleanse the earth (Bible describes people traveling the earth to bury the dead) and prepare for the resurrection. New estimate is a resurrection of 30 billion people. Can you imagine 30 billion people reappearing on one day? No, it's not reasonable. We can assume that there will be a gradual resurrection (Insight book estimates 200-300 years), one generation at a time. This will make it possible to communicate with the previous generation. We will need to provide food and lodging for the newly resurrected ones. There may be special houses where the resurrections occur (those who died at sea won't be swimming to shore). We don't know if the dead will return with clothing or not, but we do know that they will be completely restored physically (no missing limbs, etc.). We can look forward to growing back hair, teeth, etc. Some animals already manifest such abilities (giant squid can grow back new arms and Amazonian fish grow new teeth over and over). Do we really believe the end is near? Our decisions show what we truly believe. Don't seek great things for yourself (Jeremiah 45: 4, 5). This system is passing away. Rather seek first the kingdom. Jehovah has promised to preserve our souls as spoil and has offered us the opportunity to live as long as He does. What a privilege! (There were 7,204 that attended this special talk at a rented convention center in Honolulu and 3,262 that were tied in at 21 other locations on the Hawaiian islands.
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  VM44

  Could an audio file of Losch's talk be made available?

  The talk is important enough that it should be documented for all to hear!
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  MissingLink

  Surely one of those with a recording could be asked to "borrow" it - not make a copy.
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  Rapunzel

  This "talk" is nothing but the laughably inane horse manure that has always been spewed out; it's mindless garbage. Why not use an audio casette for more useful purposes, like capturing a toilet flush on tape.?
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  MacHislopp

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  Hello save My Soul,

  thanks for the material. I'll comment later.

  By the way did brother Gerrit Losch give the talk in the Pacific Education Center,

  situated in the Mililani Technology Park ?

  (Where br. Barry Lloyad died..)

  Give a look at one of my research... here below:

  Mililani Town is Castle & Cooke Hawaii's master-planned residential development adjacent to the Mililani Technology Park. A thriving community of over 35,000 residents, Mililani is a complete community with a variety of schools, churches, shopping centers, parks, recreation centers and a public library serving the area.
  Mililani's high quality lifestyle is reflected in its 1986 "All-America City Award." No other community in Hawaii has received this prestigious recognition.
  The climate of Central Oahu, like the rest of the island, is mild.
  Average Temperature:

  Summer: 82
  Winter: 75
  Location:
  Mililani is centrally located and served by the H-2 Freeway. It is less than 20 minutes from Honolulu International Airport and only 25 minutes from Downtown Honolulu.
  Recreation:
  The Mililani Town Association operates six recreation centers with a variety of programs and special amenities. A city-owned gymnasium also offers a wide range of opportunities. Youth sports leagues are extensive, well-organized and play a large role in the community.
  Mililani Offers:

  6 Recreation Centers
  5 Swimming Pools
  12 Tennis Courts
  15 Parks
  The Mililani Area is Served by:
  3 Shopping Centers
  3 Supermarkets
  3 Drug Stores
  60 Specialty Stores
  25 Restaurants
  5 Theaters
  11 Financial Institutions
  17 Schools
  Homes:

  The homes in Mililani come in a range of floor plans and price levels. All homeowners belong to the Mililani Town Association, a nonprofit organization charged with maintaining the common areas and enforcing the design standards that help to maintain good property values in the community.

  Castle & Cooke Homes Hawaii

  MILILANI TECHNOLOGY PARK UPDATE

  The Mililani Technology Park continues to have increased activity and presence in the community. The State Farm Claims Center had its grand opening on September 4, 1996, which was well attended by State Farm executives and public officials. In addition to the State Farm Claims Center, the State Farm Agency Field Office, a support office for the many sales offices on Oahu, Maui and the Big Island, renovated and moved into 2,000 square feet of brand new office space at the Leilehua Building.
  The Inter-National Research Institute (INRI) renewed its existing lease and headed by Lee Whitt, continues to do well in the government contracting business of command and control systems.
  We welcome BBN Corporation as our newest business at the Leilehua Building. BBN is a publicly traded NYSE firm specializing in Internet services and telecommunications systems and solutions. Last year, BBN had assets of over $249,337,000. BBN's primary business in Hawaii is serving the Department of Defense.
  The Watchtower Educational Center - Pacific, a 53,000-square-foot conference and training center, is slated for completion in March of 1997.

  Many of you may not know that Oceanic Cablevision is launching a new Internet division. They are gearing up for the next generation of modems called cable-modems, which operate at many times the speed of standard telephone modems. Cable-modems are economical to use and Oceanic, with its island-wide network of fiber-optic cable, is well positioned to take advantage of this technology.

  Castle and Cooke remains committed to developing MTP. Unlike most business parks in Hawaii, MTP is fee simple. MTP is unique because of the climate, location and design guidelines. For example, the temperature is 6 to 8 degrees cooler than other downtown Honolulu locations. Employees, especially those who live in the area, can save 2 hours per day commuting to work. This means more time at the office or with family, and less stress.
  - Gregg Matsuura, Project Manager

  MTP COMPANIES IN THE NEWS...
  · The High Technology Development Corporation and SETS Technology, Inc. were two of three Hawaii companies to receive the Tibbetts Award from the U.S. Small Business Administration's Small Business Innovation and Research Program. The businesses were among 70 companies recognized nationwide for excellence in high technology.
  · Hatim Tybji, VeriFone, Inc.'s chairman and chief executive officer, was the featured speaker at the first seminar of the Hawaii Technology Council in July, 1996.

  MTP WELCOMES TWO STATE FARM FACILITIES
  State Farm Insurance Companies hosted an open house and blessing of its new Mililani Service Center on September 4. A traditional Hawaiian blessing was conducted by the Reverend William Kaina of Kawaiaha'o Church.
  The Service Center is the first State Farm-owned facility in the state and also its largest, covering 47,000 square feet on 3.5 acres. The Center's 130 employees will handle the majority of the company's auto, fire and workers' compensation claims, using computer technology to estimate and expedite automobile damage claims. The facility has an additional computer room for claims personnel in the event of a major disaster.
  The Agency Field Office, another State Farm facility, held an open house September 20 in the Leilehua Building, Suite 40. The new 2,000-square-foot office houses the agency field personnel that services agents on Oahu, Maui and the Big Island. Field office staff work directly with State Farm agents to provide sales, service training and assistance with new State Farm products and services in order to provide the highest quality service to policyholders.

  State Farm has been proudly serving the people of Hawaii since 1960. It is the largest insurer of homes in Hawaii. State Farm has agents' offices throughout the state, agency field executive offices in Mililani and Kapolei, and claim offices in Honolulu and Mililani on Oahu; Wailuku, Maui; Hilo and Kona on the Big Island and Lihue, Kauai.

  Mililani Technology Park is located in Central Oahu, near the master-planned community of Mililani. Served by the H-2 Freeway, the Park is just 15 minutes from Honolulu International Airport, 25 minutes from Downtown Honolulu, 35 minutes from Waikiki hotels and five minutes from the award-winning Mililani housing developments.
  This is the streetscape of the Mililani Technology Park.

  Here is a detailed site map outlining tenant locations and available lots for purchase.

  · American Savings Bank, F.S.B. (Information & Data Processing Centers)
  · BBN Systems and Technologies
  · Crown Pacific Hawaii
  · Department of Education Central Oahu
  · Department of Education Information Technology Center
  · Eastman Kodak Company
  · Hawaii Children's Center
  · High Technology Development Corporation
  · Honolulu Cellular Telephone Company (A Bell South Company)
  · Inter-National Research Institute
  · Kaiser Foundation Health Plan, Inc.
  · Oceanic Cablevision (A Time Warner Entertainment Company)
  · State Farm Insurance Companies
  · State Farm Mutual Automobile Insurance Company
  · VeriFone, Inc.
  · Watchtower Bible & Tract Society of New York

  American Savings Bank, F.S.B.
  Mililani Service Center
  Mililani Technology Park
  200 Kahelu Avenue
  Mililani, Hawaii 96789
  Phone: (808) 539-7653
  American Savings Bank, an HEI company and federal savings bank, is the fourth largest financial institution in the state of Hawaii, with more than $3.2 billion in assets. The Service Center houses the bank's information services, electronic data processing (EDP), automated teller machine (ATM) services, telephone bill payment and check statement processing departments and certain mail room functions.

  BBN Systems and Technologies
  Mililani Technology Park
  Leilehua Building, Suite 45
  300 Kahelu Avenue
  Mililani, Hawaii 96789
  Phone: (808) 627-7420
  BBN Systems and Technologies is a division of BBN Corporation, a leading provider of Internet and internetworking services. In Hawaii, BBN Systems and Technologies is a leader in the development of advanced command and control systems for the Department of Defense, in the development of sophisticated object-oriented software applications and in the network operating systems support. Mililani Technology Park houses its Information Systems and Technologies group, which designs, develops and markets information systems and technologies, and offers customized solutions to complex problems for government agencies, commercial and nonprofit organizations.

  Crown Pacific Hawaii
  Mililani Technology Park
  600 Kahelu Avenue
  Mililani, Hawaii 96789
  Phone: (808) 625-4520
  Part of a Hong Kong-based multi-national moving and storage company, Crown Pacific Hawaii provides equipment transportation and storage and data and records management services. Crown Pacific occupies a 63,000-square-foot office and warehouse facility at Mililani Technology Park.

  Department of Education
  Central Oahu District Office
  Mililani Technology Park
  Leilehua Building, Suite 50
  300 Kahelu Avenue
  Mililani, Hawaii 96789
  Phone: (808) 623-4423
  The Hawaii State Department of Education consists of seven school districts, of which the Central Oahu District is the largest. The Central Oahu District Office is the administrative headquarters for the district and serves over 36,000 students in 41 schools -- 28 elementary, five intermediate, six high and two community.

  Department of Education
  Information Technology Center
  Mililani Technology Park
  Leilehua Building, Suite 55
  300 Kahelu Avenue
  Mililani, Hawaii 96789
  Phone: (808) 623-4423
  The Information Technology Center (ITC) supports the Department of Education's ongoing training program, which upgrades the knowledge, skills and abilities of the Department's work force in the areas of information processing and communication technologies. The ITC located at the Mililani Technology Park is the largest of 10 ITC's that have been strategically located throughout the state by the DOE.

  Eastman Kodak Company
  Mililani Technology Park
  599 Kahelu Avenue
  Mililani, Hawaii 96789
  Phone: (808) 627-3300
  Eastman Kodak Company employs more than 110,000 people worldwide, including 57,000 in the U.S. With major manufacturing plants in the U.S., Canada, Mexico, Brazil, England, France, Germany and Australia, it markets a broad range of products in more than 150 countries. Kodak products include: photographic films, papers and chemicals; motion picture films, copier-duplicators; electronic imaging products including scanners, sensors and printers; microfilm; image management systems; diagnostic imaging film and equipment.
  The Kodak facility at Mililani Technology Park is principally a marketing support and distribution center serving the state of Hawaii, with over 1,100 different items inventoried and available for immediate delivery to customers. In addition, product demonstrations are available through its sales organization.

  Hawaii Children's Center
  Mililani Technology Park
  345 Kahelu Avenue
  Mililani, Hawaii 96789
  Phone: (808) 623-1322
  Constructed by Kaiser Permanente, the Children's Center is operated by Hawaii Child Centers, a division of Kama'aina Care, Inc. It is the first child care center in the Mililani area to offer both pre-school and school-aged child care. Services such as holiday care, summer day camps and recreational gymnastics are offered.

  High Technology Development Corporation
  Mililani Technology Park
  Leilehua Building, Suite 35
  300 Kahelu Avenue
  Mililani, Hawaii 96789
  Phone: (808) 625-5293
  High Technology Development Corporation is attached to the state of Hawaii's Department of Business, Economic Development & Tourism. The agency provides business development services for high-technology industries and administers programs to attract new high-tech business to Hawaii. It also developed the Manoa Innovation Center.

  Honolulu Cellular Telephone Company
  Mililani Technology Park
  500 Kahelu Avenue
  Mililani, Hawaii 96789
  Phone: (808) 627-8500
  Honolulu Cellular, a subsidiary of Bell South, is a leading provider of cellular communications services in Hawaii. Since its founding in 1985, Honolulu Cellular has invested millions of dollars in building its cellular communication network to bring wireless solutions to businesses and consumers on the island of Oahu. Honolulu Cellular sells and services top of the line products through nine retail showrooms and a large staff of sales consultants.

  Inter-National Research Institute
  Mililani Technology Park
  Leilehua Building, Suite 25
  300 Kahelu Avenue
  Mililani, Hawaii 96789
  Phone: (808) 625-2118

  A Virginia-based company, Inter-National Research Institute (INRI) has provided technical support for the Department of Defense since 1966. INRI is an industry leader in the development and installation of Navy battle management systems, dealing with both the conceptual aspects of warfare and the practical integration and optimization equipment.

  Kaiser Permanente
  Kaiser Foundation Health Plan, Inc.
  432 Keawe Street
  Honolulu, Hawaii 96813
  Phone: (808) 597-5297

  Kaiser Permanente's 20-acre Hawaii Region Service Center, may serve as the company's headquarters and will include a data center, information service department, reference laboratory, optical laboratory, administrative offices, warehouse and print shop. Kaiser Permanente has made land available for day care services for employees of companies at the Park.

  Oceanic Cablevision
  Mililani Technology Park
  200 Akamainui Street
  Mililani, Hawaii 96789
  Phone: (808) 625-2100

  Oceanic Cablevision, a Time Warner cable system, is the state's largest cable television company serving nearly a quarter million subscribers on Oahu with cable TV, digital music and Internet services. Oceanic's 4.3-acre site at the Park houses its headquarters, office facilities and warehouse.

  State Farm Insurance Companies
  Mililani Technology Park
  Leilehua Building, Suite 40
  300 Kahelu Avenue
  Mililani, Hawaii 96789
  Phone: (808) 623-0404

  Located adjacent to its new Service Center, the State Farm Insurance Companies' office in the Leilehua Building houses one of the company's agency field office operations. The new office houses one of State Farm's agency field office operations, servicing agents on Oahu, Maui and the Big Island. The office works as a team with State Farm agents to provide quality service to policyholders, as well as assisting agents with the introduction of new State Farm products and services.

  State Farm Mutual Automobile Insurance Company
  Mililani Technology Park
  400 Kahelu Avenue
  Mililani, Hawaii 96789
  Phone: (808) 627-4500

  State Farm, the largest domestic non-military user of computers, recently moved into its new auto and homeowners operations service center. The facility includes a drive-in estimating garage to assess auto damage using CD Rom to immediately access various networks and scan for estimated costs of parts, labor and time. It also allows its regional offices to communicate electronically with its local claims offices for quick claim assessments.

  VeriFone, Inc.
  Mililani Technology Park
  100 Kahelu Avenue
  Mililani, Hawaii 96789
  Phone: (808) 623-2911

  Founded in Hawaii, VeriFone, Inc. is the world's largest developer and manufacturer of credit card transaction terminals and secure payment solutions. VeriFone specializes in the automation and delivery of secure payment and payment-related transactions to a wide range of markets. The company has more than 30 facilities worldwide including its custom designed headquarters at the MTP for R&D. VeriFone is a publicly-traded company listed on the New York Stock Exchange.

  Watchtower Bible & Tract Society of New York, Inc.
  2055 Kamehameha IV Road
  Honolulu, Hawaii 96819
  Phone: (808) 842-1100

  A multi-national, nonprofit Bible educational group, the Watchtower will use its new 53,000-square-foot building at MTP for its Watchtower Educational Center - Pacific. The educational center will be comprised of four conference rooms and one auditorium equipped with multimedia audio/visual equipment with multi-language capabilities to accommodate conferences, seminars and training classes.

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  Here below the links:

  http://www.planet-hawaii.com/mtp/neigh.htm

  http://www.planet-hawaii.com/mtp/tenants.htm

  for detailed maps:

  http://planet-hawaii.com/mtp/where.htm
  http://planet-hawaii.com/mtp/sitemap.htm
  http://www.mililanitechpark.com/CurrentTenants/currenttenants.htm
  a newspaper article….***great***
  http://pacific.bcentral.com/pacific/stories/1997/06/09/focus4.html

  Remember: “…looking after the widows, the orphans..” and
  “…the poors will always be with you..”

  Greetings,

  J.C.MacHislopp
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  Gayle

  It seems the only GB members I ever read about here is Jaracz and Losch. I think there are 7 others but never hear of the others. I know Barr is in his 90s, so that is understandable but are the others out there giving any special talks?
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  VM44

  Gerrit Losch should be given some sort of award for having given that talk. Probably the best speculative religio-entertainment that the Witnesses have heard in years!
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  VM44

  David Splane is known for giving in recent years an "anti-education" talk in which he shows he has a particular fondness for plumbing ("Learn Plumbing!") and a specific dislike for the entire field of Computer Sciene ("After 10 years washing dishes at Bethel, what you've learned will be obsolete!").
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  kurtbethel

  If you could give me a heads up about him going to the San Diego area I would definitely bring an audio recorder so I could share his pearls of wisdom.
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  Xavier1

  If i read and understand correctly this presentation of Gerrit Losch it seems that Babylon the Great is always the false religion, isnt il?

  Xavier