Will Carnivorous Jehovah Establish A Vegetarian New World?

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  • TMS
    TMS

    God Jehovah has had a preoccupation, if not an obsession with meat. Although Cain worked hard to produce an offering of vegetables, it was rejected because it was not meat. Priests were instructed to save certain cuts of meat for Jehovah, the fatty portions. (Not my personal preference, but then I'm not Jehovah.) At times the Watchtower has tried to explain away certain actions attributed to Jehovah as anthromorphic, that is, human traits attributed to a deity. Jehovah is really not "hurt" by human actions, nor does he really crave meat, they imply.

    Jehovah made specific rules about the eating of meat. At first(until the flood) no meat could be eaten. Interesting that righteous Abel offered essentially illegal contraband, meat, even "their fatty pieces" and it was readily accepted by Jehovah. After the flood "every flying creature, every moving animal and fish" became fair game so to speak. With the Mosaic Law Jehovah greatly limited the types of meat that could be eaten. Watchtower publications hint strongly that preventing diseases like trichinosis may played a part in Jehovah's new meat rules. Its a shame that Jehovah wouldn't have moved to protect his "friends" Abraham, Isaac and Jacob or ancient greats like Job and Melchizadek from trichinosis. Later on Jehovah used quail meat to punish ungrateful Israelites who tired of manna. He made them eat quail till it came out of their noses. You can get tired of something, if it served too often.

    Will new meat rules be part of the "new scrolls" Jehovah will unfurl in the new world? Perhaps. One thing is certain. Animals will lose their carnivoristic predisposition. Isaiah tells us in prophecy: "the lion will eat straw just like the bull." Before this genetic change takes place Jehovah has scheduled one final meat lovers "Evening Meal of God" to consume all the dead carcasses from Armageddon. Presumably birds of prey and other still carnivorous creatures will enjoy Jehovah's Great Meat Dinner. After that, only the carcasses of animals who die a natural death will be consumed. Animals will then immediately revert back to their post-Armageddon vegetarian state of mind.

    Although the Watchtower has given us a beautiful picture of paradise, many questions remain unanswered. Will new world fish distinguish between animal, bacterial and plant plankton? Will purple martins still consume 600 mosquitoes an hour? What will ant eaters use their snouts for?

    Humans may be able to satisfy their cravings by eating "well-oiled dishes filled with marrow.", not really meat, but close. Housecat Tabby will no longer stalk her prey, but innocently frolic along with a large rat population, her former enemies.

    tms

  • Low-Key Lysmith
    Low-Key Lysmith

    Great White Sharks will lazily graze on kelp, birds of prey will adapt their talons to plucking ears of corn, etc.

    Morons.

  • bigboi
    bigboi

    Funny. The "final meat lovers Evening Meal of God" had me dying! LMAO!

  • onacruse
    onacruse

    *** w61 12/15 pp. 766-767 Questions From Readers ***

    Questions From Readers

    ? When, in Genesis 1:30, God says: "To every wild beast of the earth and to every flying creature of the heavens and to everything moving upon the earth in which there is life as a soul I have given all green vegetation for food," are we to understand that this absolutely excludes the idea that any animals ate meat at that time or before that? And on this basis are we to conclude that all animals will be vegetarian in the new world? How, then, can we account for the meat-eating birds, insects, reptiles and other animals with their poisonous fangs, hunting prowess, and so forth, apparently given them at creation and admirably equipping them as meat eaters?

    Genesis 1:30, as just quoted, does not say that God had given "all green vegetation for food" to the wild beasts, the flying creatures and everything moving upon the earth in addition to what meat or flesh they could catch by hunting. The verse just ahead tells us that God said to Adam and Eve: "Here I have given to you all vegetation bearing seed which is on the surface of the whole earth and every tree on which there is the fruit of a tree bearing seed. To you let it serve as food." (Gen. 1:29) We do not understand this to mean that Adam and Eve could eat animals that lived on grass and other vegetation, and that in eating such animals minus their blood Adam and Eve were eating vegetation indirectly, inasmuch as, to begin with, the animals ate the vegetation and then Adam and Eve ate the animals that lived on such vegetation to convert it into flesh. No! But it is evident that God set the perfect man and woman on a vegetarian diet, without suggesting even dairy products.

    First after the flood God specified in so many words that Noah and his family and their descendants could eat bloodless meat or flesh. This indicates that God-fearing men like Abel, Enoch and Noah and his family had not lived on animal and bird flesh prior to the flood. What the ungodly men lived on till the flood we do not know. Abel, Enoch and Noah and his family did not reason in a roundabout manner and violate the Edenic dietary law that God stated to Adam and Eve in Eden, in Genesis 1:29, 30.

    Of course, the Bible says a lot about zoology, but the Bible is no exhaustive treatise on all zoological matters. It therefore leaves in a lower or secondary position the discussing of details about the lower animal creation. It fixes first attention on Jehovah’s superior earthly creature, man, and specializes on that. Hence the facts about wild beasts, domestic beasts, flying creatures and insects are spoken of only incidentally, or in illustrations.

    So, if the Bible itself does not give any answer to these questions about those creatures lower than man, it does not mean that there is no answer to the questions that is consistent with the Bible. It simply means that we are not to preoccupy ourselves with such questions. One big fact we must remember: that we humans are living and all these birds, insects and other animals are living in a system of things that has obtained since Jehovah God legalized man’s eating animal flesh minus its blood. Accordingly, if man has been eating animal flesh and insects for four thousand three hundred years and has teeth that can be adapted to eating such solid food as flesh, it is not strange that birds, insects and other animals should be also living on flesh that they hunt for and catch.

    As to the preflood situation on the diet of man and animals, we may take the situation in Noah’s ark as an illustration. Under God’s instructions Noah and his family were to take into the ark wild beasts, domestic animals, flying creatures and birds, two each (male and female) of the unclean kind, and seven each of the clean kind. Besides this, Noah was to take into the ark every sort of food that is eaten to "serve as food for you and for them." (Gen. 6:19-22) Now Noah had no deepfreeze unit nor any refrigeration installation to preserve processed flesh foods in the ark. The seven sheep, seven bulls and cows, seven goats, two horses, two pigs, and so forth, that Noah took into the ark would hardly have been enough flesh food for the two lions, two tigers and two of the other wild flesh-eating beasts of today to live on in the ark during the flood. Noah was not instructed to carry on a slaughterhouse in the ark to feed the wild beasts with flesh foods. Nor was he told to enmesh tremendous quantities of flying or creeping insects to provide fresh food for the creatures today devouring insects.

    Noah came out of the ark the following year with not less wild beasts, domestic animals, flying and creeping creatures and birds than he took into the ark. It is possible that he had more when he came out, due to the breeding of these lower creatures. Well, then, on what did every living thing in the ark live during those twelve lunar months and ten days, or one full solar year, shut up inside the ark? Certainly not on flesh, nor on one another.

    All those creatures, human and subhuman, were able to live without flesh for a whole year inside the ark. Why could not every one of those living creatures live without flesh during 1,656 years prior to the Flood, or back to the time when God specified to Adam and Eve in Eden what he had given to earthly creatures as food? And if they could subsist that way during the first 1,656 years of man’s existence, why can they not return to that way of life and keep living that way during the thousand-year reign of Jesus Christ and then for eternity? During his millennial reign Jesus Christ as King will have control over animal, bird, insect and fish life as well as over human life. He will regulate it according to God’s will and for the good of all creature life on earth. So we should not think only of the post-Flood side of the question and leave out of consideration the pre-Flood side of the question as if it had no bearing. Let us take the Bible position on the subject and not over-occupy ourselves with merely incidental matters to the extent of wasting time, thought and peace of heart and possibly stumbling ourselves into the camp of the godless evolutionists.

    Simply do not preoccupy yourself with such questions!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • TMS
    TMS

    onacruz,

    What a convoluted answer given in the QFR! It almost made me dizzy trying to follow that logic. They even excluded dairy products from the pre-flood diet. That meant that Abel the "herder of sheep" was in it for the wool alone. No meat, no milk, no cheese! Only Jehovah could eat his meat including the "fatty portions". Abel must have had some butchering skills to have even discovered the "fatty portions". Why was he dissecting animals? For biology class or forensics?

    tms

  • Satanus
    Satanus

    Housecat tabby will start staulking carrots, digging them out w her sharp claws. Some surmise that the final meat sacrifice to jehovah satiated his carni appetite. Has the lacerated carcass of jesus really cured him? Judging by the scheduled upcoming unparalleled bloodletting of harmageddon, i would say, not. I think that yhwh will need to be shuffled off by jesus, w the help of his bride and bestmen, to another universe, or a rest home for aged autocrats, where chochesku (that romanian a$$hole), joseph stalin, jf rutherford, and other beasts and false prophets already reside.

    S

  • TMS
    TMS

    bigboi, low-key.

    It's odd how often the Watchtower feels the need to speculate on what really can't be known for certain. There's definitely a certain arrogance there. So many of Rutherford's silly attempts to comment on scientific matters haven't stood the test of time at all. Lol! In the congregations, speculation is frowned upon as "pushing ahead" or going "beyond the things written".

    The Watchtower, on the other hand, speculates, backtracks, speculates, clarifies and then chastises the brotherhood for acting on their words.

    tms

  • BluesBrother
    BluesBrother
    What will ant eaters use their snouts for?

    This is the one belief that I discarded long before leaving the dubs. I was too embarrassed to show the pictures of the New World in the mags in the ministry..despite statements like these :-

    * g83 1/8 p. 28 From Our Readers ***

    "As for the many predators being suited for the chase and the kill, what about humans? They have shown an extremely efficient talent for attacking and killing their fellowman. Does that argue for humans’ being designed that way from the beginning? Admittedly, we cannot answer all questions that arise in this matter from what we can observe today, and the account in the Bible is quite brief. Yet, we believe that humankind and animal kind were originally designed to live at peace with one another and to get their nourishment from vegetation. That original purpose will be restored during the Messianic Kingdom. We will have to wait and see how those prophecies are fulfilled"**

    * g82 10/8 p. 11 When All Nature Will Be in Harmony *

    **For instance, most animals would continue to eat vegetation, as is the case down to this day. An example is the powerful gorilla, with its awesome fangs—fangs still used to rip and consume heavy vegetation. But others adapted themselves to eating flesh. Yet predators make up only a very small percent of the animals."

    *** w50 10/15 p. 399 Questions From Readers **

    *As to whether animals will die in the new world we cannot be dogmatic. It appears that men will not kill them for food, nor will animals prey upon one another. In the new world Jehovah’s original purpose relative to food supplies will be realized, as stated to Adam and Eve: "See, I give you all the seed-bearing plants that are found all over the earth, and all the trees which have seed-bearing fruit; it shall be yours to eat. To all the wild beasts of the earth, to all the birds of the air, and to all the land reptiles, in which there is a living spirit, I give all the green plants for food." (Gen. 1:29, 30, AT) If that outstanding carnivorous animal, the lion, is to "eat straw like the ox", surely no others will be meat-eaters. (Isa. 11:6-9) Incidentally, this shows that Revelation 21:4 does not eliminate all death of organic life, for plants will die to become food for men and animals.But merely that animals will not be used for food does not prove they will live forever. "

  • hillary_step
    hillary_step
    Jehovah’s superior earthly creature, man

    ...and so the WTS perpetuates the Augustinian myth of egocentric "creation", delegating that all living things in the Universe serve the needs of man.

    Behind the rationale, which imo stems from Augustine C5th theology and philosophy, lies the reason for the diminishing wildlife and increasing pollution on this planet. Once you break away from the notion that we are "superior earthly creatures" and merely part of the evolution of this planet, then we will see a different world.

    HS

    PS - TMS great post as usual.

  • OBVES
    OBVES

    Not only All-Loving but the Only loving God ! This can be proven if we understand who is God of the Bible.The time will come God will prove to any human being that stays alive in the Paradise He is such as I say !

    The first thing to know is that God Yahweh is always invisible and he penetrates the whole universe in every particle of it .If so you should already tremble, God Yahweh sustains everything that exists and moves. You want to be wiser than God just go out to a street corner when it snows and look how many snowflakes are falling down in front of you up to 100 yards away down the street ! And count them and know that every snowflake is not the same and God Yahweh formed them and directs them to the ground each and every one ! And who are you to cast a doubt on God's goodness and love and power ? ! You are already a defeated enemy for good !

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