Will Armageddon Ever Come?

by tula 30 Replies latest jw friends

  • WTWizard
    WTWizard

    I don't think there is any way that Armageddon is going anything like the Tower threatens. Rather, they are going to keep making the same predictions. They are going to close out any "outside sources", disfellowshipping anyone who studies the Bible without the Puketower literature or reads anything about religion from any non-Tower sources, apostate or not. They will keep people so busy with a schedule of forced service all day, so they will not have time or energy to think. Hounding is going to get worse. The list of banned or required activities is going to become so outrageous that anyone who accurately predicts them now will be thought of as being ridiculous until some or all of them start happening.

    Regardless of whether or not their version of Armageddon is actually coming (or the language they use), I can see it coming from another source. One definition of Armageddon is riddance of all evil, whether through massive destruction or from merely removing those who are forcing it on the masses from power. All we need to see is someone get into power that will destroy (by not funding) all the mazes of regulations that use initiatory force, coercion, or fraud to enforce unnecessary rules. Once those regulatory agencies have been starved out of existence, a new law is passed that ensures that they will never be allowed to develop again. The free market itself will develop all the solutions, albeit with short-term risks, that will result in the paradise eventually happening. All without anyone ever having to join an organization or spread the message--the only ones needing to take action are the ones that have the power to de-fund the bureaucracies.

    Whether this will happen or not is up to the people. They can wake up and see our leaders mistreating us, passing laws that hamper medical progress and business, passing other laws that dictate who is allowed to marry who (they already have laws about age differences--being of the "age of consent" is of no value if it's all about whether or not initiatory force, coercion, or fraud is involved. If that is the case, that's enough. If not, then there is no reason why the law should take away the freedom from consenting couples), and still other laws imposing burdensome taxes just so they can pay the Fed. If those people are voted out of office, and good leaders are elected, we will see all stupid laws taken off the books and those good laws put in place. (Watchtower Society, watch out! If this ever happens, you are first to go--initiating fraud to get people to join, coercion to get people to join and stay, and force to harass people for trying to leave will get you). Or, people can fall for their non-sequitors as in previous elections and let bureaucrats continue taking our freedom.

  • Homerovah the Almighty
    Homerovah the Almighty

    Leolaia link on this thread must be read it is very important in that it establishes a business profile of the WTS

    The WTS. exploited scripture out of the bible with intension of marketing their merchandise.

    Another way they win again is by using a psychosis of fear implemented into their followers to push the literature even further in a attempt to grab more publishers, enhancing even more

    sales, it's a tried and proven marketing scheme. I think there is public awareness of this scam.

    The direct connection with the bible is used on purpose to validate themselves as many other religious groups do the same, it's a working group of corrupt men with an

    ideological pursuit of power and money, an deliberate and intensional scam.

  • poppers
    poppers

    Well, I suppose next they'll declare that they are double locking the door, then sound proofing the ark, then finding all the leaks and sealing them. Maybe they'll get things so airtight that they asphyxiate themselves and we won't hear anymore from them.

  • tula
    tula
    Well, I suppose next they'll declare that they are double locking the door, then sound proofing the ark, then finding all the leaks and sealing them. Maybe they'll get things so airtight that they asphyxiate themselves and we won't hear anymore from them.

    That deserves bigger print. Best laugh I have had in a long time!!!!! Thanks for the INSIGHT on that.

  • steve2
    steve2

    Baby talk for people too scared to grow up and take responsibility for their own lives:

    The end is really, really near; no, don't laugh, it really, really is. Just when you don't expect it, the end will really come. Stop laughing: it really, really will come. Then look who'll be laughing. No, the end is right at our doorstep - our very doorstep. It's so very, very, very close, I can almost touch it. It's here. It really, really, really is!

  • Hortensia
    Hortensia

    well according to a different prophet (PBS) the end will come in 2100 when a combination of global warming (due to gases) and global dimming (due to pollution particles in clouds) will lead to widespread drought and famine, starting in Asia where pollution is so bad, but destroying pretty much the whole earth, including Florida which they mentioned specifically for some reason.

  • Witness 007
    Witness 007

    I'm sorry to tell you this but Armegedon IS on it's way. One day 1000 of years from now our Sun will go Supernova, and it will be acomplished! Futuristic Witnesses will dance for joy! Global warming is a fad of our generation. Some scientist and Al Gore, predict "Noah Style" that half the world will be under water soon,...aaarrraag Armegedon! Where do they get this data from! Who came up with this theory and how? Many famous scientists around the world say that global warming and cooling, has happened millions of times over earths history. {Check the debates on the net} Are we being brainwashed again! Many Newsweek article from 1970's had scentists argue the world was COOLING. The arctic region would become so heavy from snow, that it could shift the planets axis!!!! Also from the 1980's "The jupiter menece" the solar system planets would be aligned cuasing massive destruction in the beginning of 2000!! Again nothing. That was the 1970-80 panic when I grew up. More panic to scare people. I do agree something should be done about pollution a major problem. But be a good Witness and look at both sides of the arguement. This world is here to stay for a very long time. The sky is not falling go enjoy your life.

  • rockhound
    rockhound

    You guys must of missed it, check these out!

    Re: the year 1914


    "The present great war in Europe is the beginning of the Armageddon of the Scriptures ."
    --SERMONS (C.T. Russell) 1917

    "The date of the close of that 'battle' is definitely marked in Scripture as October, 1914. It is already in progress, its beginning dating from October, 1874."--Watchtower 1/15/1892, p.1355

    1902

    "In view of this strong Bible evidence concerning the Times of the Gentiles, we consider it an established truth that thefinal end of the kingdoms of this world, and the full establishment of the kingdom of God, will be accomplishedby the end of A.D. 1914." (The Time Is At Hand, 1902 edition, p. 99)

    Kingdom of God is already begun, that it is pointed out in prophecy as due to begin the exercise of power in A.D. 1878, and that the 'battle of the 1889 "Be not surprised, then, when in subsequent chapters we present proofs that the setting up of the great day of God Almighty (Rev. 16:14) which will end in A.D. 1914 with the complete overthrow of earth's present rulership,is already commenced. The gathering of the armies is plainly visible from the standpoint of God's word." (Studies in the Scriptures, Vol. 2, The Time Is At Hand, 1889 Ed., p. 101. The 1915 Edition of this texts changed "A.D. 1914" to read 'A.D. 1915')

    1915 "The present great war in Europe is the beginning of the Armageddon of the Scriptures Rev 19:16-20). It will eventuate in the complete overthrow of all the systems of error which have so long oppressed the people of God and deluded the world. We believe the present war cannot last much longer until revolutions shall break out" (C.T. Russell, Pastor Russell's Sermons, p. 676, Sometime during World War I)

    1915

    "In view of this strong Bible evidence concerning the Times of the Gentiles, we consider it an established truth that the final end of the kingdoms of this world, and the full establishment of the kingdom of God, will be accomplished near the end of A.D. 1915. (The Time Is At Hand, 1915 edition, p. 99)

    ROCKHOUND

  • trevor
    trevor

    Some things never change...

    "Realising that time was running out, the Society’s then President Fred Franz, referring to the promised new world declared:

    “But we are as strong for it as we ever were, and we are appreciating it all the more the longer we have to wait for it. It is something worth waiting for, even if it required a million years.” (Watchtower – 15 December 1991 – Page 11)

    The faithful men of old had not returned physically as promised. The promised return of Jesus to earth had been explained away as an invisible return that they had failed to notice. It was now claimed that many of the promises regarding Israel had been fulfilled on the Witnesses in a spiritual or pictorial way. The promised paradise was, for now, a spiritual paradise.

    It would have only been one step more for the Society to declare that Armageddon was to be fought in a spiritual realm and would be one more invisible fulfilment not be seen by the members. They could have written another book explaining that Armageddon had already taken place invisibly and they had missed this event too, but could explain it all, using that wonderful tool of hindsight. Perhaps giving the due apology for having encouraged some of the older members to spend their lives speculating about how many days or years make up a generation. Instead they said:

    “Eager to see the end of this evil system, Jehovah’s people have at times speculated about the time when the “great tribulation” would break out, even tying this to calculations of what is the lifetime of a generation since 1914. However we “bring a heart of wisdom in.” Not by speculating about how many days or years make up a generation, but by thinking about how we “count our days” in bringing joyful praise to Jehovah. (Psalm 90:12) Rather than provide a rule for measuring time, the term “generation” as used by Jesus refers principally to contemporary people of a certain historic period, with their identifying characteristics”

    “Is anything to be gained, then, by looking for dates or by speculating about the literal lifetime of a “generation”? Far from it! Therefore, in the final fulfilment of Jesus’ prophecy today, “this generation” apparently refers to the people of the earth who see the sign of Christ’s presence but fail to mend their ways. Does our more precise viewpoint on “this Generation” mean that Armageddon is further away than we had thought? Not at all.” (Watchtower – 1 November 1995 - Pages 17,19,20)

    Taken from the book -Opening the Door to Jehovah's Witnesses by Trevor Willis

  • jaguarbass
    jaguarbass

    Where have you been? It came and went back in 75. We had some long lines to buy gas. It caused some inflation and unemployment but over all was pretty lackluster for a big A.

    I really dont think well see another one in your life time.

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