DO YOU THINK THERE'S A CURE FOR CANCER?

by Mary 105 Replies latest watchtower medical

  • Mary
    Mary
    Terry said: People in medicine work to end suffering; not to prolong it for cash.

    Sorry Terry, but I certainly don't see it that way. Why there's some whose motives are in fact, to end suffering, the majority in the medicial field are far more interested in the billions of dollars their industry makes-----not the average joe like you or me. They keep getting hundreds of millions of dollars for "research" when alot of what they're 'researching' is just bullshit. I'll give you a good example: I used to work for the Center For Behavioural & Research Evaluation that received huge grants from the Canadian Cancer Society. One day, I was talking to one of the guys who had just received a most generous grant and was needless to say, happy as a pig in shit. He showed me what he had been working on over the last two years: A project that examined the possibilities as to why teenagers start smoking. His research grant would keep him employeed for another 2 or 3 years as he uh, 'researched' this big mystery. I looked at him totally dumbfounded and said "You've got to be kidding me. I can sum that up in two words: Peer pressure."

    Without any embarassment whatsoever he concurred that I was "probably right" but "this is what the industry does" and that "many of us wouldn't have jobs if a cure and/or prevention was found for cancer." In other words, they fund alot of useless projects like his and god knows how many others, because money talks. I asked him on another occassion if he thought that those in power knew more than what they were telling us. He told me that his official position was: there's no cover up and at present, no cure for cancer. However, off the record he had seen enough and heard enough to make him think that perhaps they weren't being as forthright and honest with the public about a cure, as what they could or should be.

    PEC said: There are no conspiracies, no gun man on the grassy noel, no alien abductions, no 300 mpg cars and no cancer cures.

    Of course there are. Even the government has admitted that they're involved in conspiracies---usually political. To lump every 'mystery' into one lump and universally dismiss it, is being pretty closed minded.

  • Terry
    Terry
    I would draw a closer parallel to the tobacco industry. It is known to be a carcinigen. Does anyone doubt that? Yet the US gov't refuses to prevent this industry from addicting millions of people a year to a substance that will likely shorten life. Why? $$$$$$$$

    The government is a poor substitute for personal responsibility. People who desire to harm themselves have more than tobacco to worry about.

    The $$$$ you refer to would be in the form of fines the tobacco industry has had to pay (and continues to pay) because the government did act.

    The public service messages which the tobacco industry has been forced to provide are courtesy of the government's legal pressures.

    Ultimately, the local state by state and city by city banning of smoking has been the result of personal responsibility on the part of grassroots groups fed up with foot-dragging.

    No conspiracy necessary.

  • TheSilence
    TheSilence

    I watched my maternam grandmother die of breast cancer in the 70's. It was an excruciating experience just to behold. In the 80's I watched my maternal grandfather die of lung cancer. Still it was unbearable to watch, but there were improvements in the treatment and quality of life he was able to have during the treatments. In the 90's my paternal grandmother beat breast cancer. The difference in the treatments were phenomenal. It was obvious watching her and seeing others while visiting her in the hospital that great advances had been made. 5 years ago my mom beat breast cancer. I could still see improvements from the time my paternal grandmother had been treated. If you have watched all these people, decade after decade, battle with cancer... you can see the difference, you can see the improvements. It gives me hope for myself, for certainly with my family history it is something I need to be at least aware of the possibility of ;)

    The other thing that makes me believe there is no conspiracy to cover up a cure for cancer is the staggering number of people it would have to involve. Doctors, nurses, cancer researchers. Think about the accolades someone would be giving up... what doctor wouldn't like to be the one to publish that he has found the cure? How many doctors get into cancer research because someone they love has died? Do you believe they wouldn't leak word of a cure? What about the doctors in cancer research who have family members die? You think they wouldn't take advantage of a cure, be damned the results to the industry? My cousin died of cancer. Her husband was a doctor for cancer research at the time, and she was a nurse on a cancer ward. They were so close that he shaved his head along with their 2 sons heads so she would not feel alone... as an outward sign of love and support for her battle. You can't tell me he wouldn't have done *anything* to save her. If there was a cure for cancer he'd have gotten it for her. I can't believe there is a conspiracy to cover up a cure.

    That being said, do I think it is possible that they overlook the positive effects of some alternative treatments? Absolutely. They underestimate and undervalue them, but they aren't hiding them... they just don't believe in them. My dad is currently battling 4th stage throat cancer and has had some very good results. Was it able to eradicate the cancer? No. But it was able to help his body fight it down to a point where his chemo and radiation was going to have to be far less than they previously thought. He was given 6 months to live without chemo and radiation, and now, 4 years later, the doctors are amazed he's still alive and he's to the point where small amounts of chemo and radiation should eliminate the rest of it.

    Could I be wrong? Absolutely... but as with anyone, I suppose I'm entitled to my opinion on the matter ;)

    Jackie

  • jgnat
    jgnat

    I am going to walk away from this discussion, because my emotions are threatening to overwhelm.

    THE VAST MAJORITY OF THE PEOPLE IN THE MEDICAL FIELD WANT TO HEAL.

    That's why they picked the field. I know. I've watched my sister over the past twenty years, a model family physician. The worst days of her life are when she loses a patient. Believe me, when a cure comes along, they won't hide it.

    Were the discovery cures of insulin, immunization, antibiotics held back from the public? Thunderously, no! The import of millions of lives saved, we can't keep a lid on those sorts of discoveries!

    http://www.international-medical-insurance.com/news/?p=17

  • Mary
    Mary
    Jeff said: Turn a blind eye to holistic and herbal treatments that hold promise with little profit for the pharma groups - of that I have little doubt. Physicians, the capilary root system of the pharma industry, are largely opposed to anything less than mainstream. In the US, the FDA does not investigate such claims of success, as it falls outside it's area of responsiblity. Many books have been written in which persons claim that a cure exists, and some persons who have accepted the claim and tried the cure have been cured [though it may not be a direct relationship, granted].

    Jeff, your comments are spot on. I believe every person's body responds differently to different treatment. There are people that have been cured by natural medicines (see the Gerson therapy), and those that have died from using natural medicine. People have been saved by taking chemotherapy and radiation and there are those, like my friend, who died after ONE treatment of chemo. I was lucky in the fact that I had absolutely no side effects from (a very high dosage of) radiation: no burning, no nausea, nothing. But the poor girl in the bed next to me was sick as a dog, throwing up 24-7---I was constantly ringing the nurse for her as I thought she was choking on her own vomit.

    This went on for several days until I said to the nurse "For god's sake, put her in a wheelchair, roll her outside and give her a joint to smoke to stop the nausea!!" They didn't do that, so her boyfriend got some dope from somewhere and gave it to her and the nausea stopped.

    One more recent example of the FDA ignoring 'natural' medicine, is the example of a product called MGN-3, a natural substance created by Lab Lane that, in controlled studies, is proven to boost the immune system and could be of great benefit for anyone who had to endure chemotherapy. The FDA ordered them to stop marketing the product because it wasn't a drug, and they weren't allowed to make any medical claims----even if they had proof to back up their claims. This shouldn't be any surprise. It's widely known that the FDA accept bribes from the drug companies and approve dangerous drugs and suppress alternative medicine.

    http://www.meds.com/archive/mol-cancer/2000/11/msg01369.html

    http://www.springvalleyherbs.com/catalog.php?itemID=91

    http://www.cancertutor.com/Other/NoCancer2.html

  • Terry
    Terry
    Why there's some whose motives are in fact, to end suffering, the majority in the medicial field are far more interested in the billions of dollars their industry makes-----

    The MAJORITY? Oh come on, now. That is a blanket indictment. Government grants are the stuff of bureaucracy and not conspiracy. Pigs in shit are the political incompetants who spend money lavishly without vetting where it goes.

    To deliberately ignore a cure for cancer is to be a sociopath bent on allowing innocent suffering by children. Are you prepared to stand up and say the MAJORITY of people working in the medical field are sociopathic torturers?

    Canada is a socialist regime. Doctors don't get rich by what they do. The fees are prescribed by charts limiting what they can charge. The government would go bust overnight if doctors could charge willy nilly.

  • Terry
    Terry

    People like Kevin Trudeau are responsible for enflaming the fears and anxieties of the uninformed and kindling the conspiracy contagion which certain people find so compelling. Trudeau's books now contain a disclaimer in the opening pages which make it quite clear he is making the whole thing up. But, this does not stop self-educated faddists from becoming True Believers.

    I know you won't read this. But, I strongly suggest you review the reasoning behind METHODOLOGY in medicine versus CLAIMS of suppressed cures.

    Be Wary of "Alternative" Health Methods

    Stephen Barrett, M.D.

    "Alternative medicine" has become the politically correct term for questionable practices formerly labeled quack and fraudulent. During the past few years, most media reports have contained no critical evaluation and have featured the views of proponents and their satisfied clients.

    Loose Definitions Cause Confusion

    To avoid confusion, "alternative" methods should be classified as genuine, experimental, or questionable. Genuine alternatives are comparable methods that have met science-based criteria for safety and effectiveness. Experimental alternatives are unproven but have a plausible rationale and are undergoing responsible investigation. The most noteworthy is use of a 10%-fat diet for treating coronary heart disease. Questionable alternatives are groundless and lack a scientifically plausible rationale. The archetype is homeopathy, which claims that "remedies" so dilute that they contain no active ingredient can exert powerful therapeutic effects. Some methods fit into more than one category, depending on the claims made for them. Blurring these distinctions enables promoters of quackery to argue that because some practices labeled "alternative" have merit, the rest deserve equal consideration and respect. Enough is known, however, to conclude that most questionable "alternatives" are worthless.<

    An even better way to avoid confusion is sort methods into three groups: (1) those that work, (2) those that don't work, and (3) those we are not sure about. Most methods described as "alternative" fall into the second group. A 1998 editorial in the Journal of the American Medical Association made the same point in another way:

    There is no alternative medicine. There is only scientifically proven, evidence-based medicine supported by solid data or unproven medicine, for which scientific evidence is lacking. Whether a therapeutic practice is "Eastern" or "Western," is unconventional or mainstream, or involves mind-body techniques or molecular genetics is largely irrelevant except for historical purposes and cultural interest. We recognize that there are vastly different types of practitioners and proponents of the various forms of alternative medicine and conventional medicine, and that there are vast differences in the skills, capabilities, and beliefs of individuals within them and the nature of their actual practices. Moreover, the economic and political forces in these fields are large and increasingly complex and have the capability for being highly contentious. Nonetheless, as believers in science and evidence, we must focus on fundamental issues -- namely, the patient, the target disease or condition, the proposed or practiced treatment, and the need for convincing data on safety and therapeutic efficacy [1].

    Arnold Relman, M.D. former editor of The New England Journal of Medicine, has expressed similar thoughts:

    There are not two kinds of medicine, one conventional and the other unconventional, that can be practiced jointly in a new kind of "integrative medicine." Nor, as Andrew Weil and his friends also would have us believe, are there two kinds of thinking, or two ways to find out which treatments work and which do not. In the best kind of medical practice, all proposed treatments must be tested objectively. In the end, there will only be treatments that pass that test and those that do not, those that are proven worthwhile and those that are not [2].

    John Farley, Ph.D., professor of physics at the University of Nevada, Las Vegas, has commented:

    "Integrative" medicine is purportedly combining alternative and mainstream approaches to medicine. The claim is that integrative medicine provides the best of both approaches. This may sound reasonable, but actually it is not. Suppose that the "integrative" approach were to spread beyond medicine, and were to be more broadly adopted by other disciplines in the sciences. The biologists would "integrate" creationism with Darwinian evolution, while the chemists would integrate alchemy into modern scientific chemistry. The geologists would integrate the belief that the world is only 6000 years old (and flat) with modern dating of rocks. Physicists would integrate perpetual motion machines with the conservation of energy and the laws of thermodynamics. And the astronomers would integrate astrology and astronomy. Of course, this is ridiculous. It's not a good idea to integrate nonsense with valid scientic knowledge [3].

    The "alternative movement" is part of a general societal trend toward rejection of science as a method of determining truths. This movement embraces the postmodernist doctrine that science is not necessarily more valid than pseudoscience [4]. In line with this philosophy, "alternative" proponents assert that scientific medicine (which they mislabel as allopathic, conventional, or traditional medicine) is but one of a vast array of health-care options. "Alternative" promoters often gain public sympathy by portraying themselves as a beleaguered minority fighting a self-serving, monolithic "Establishment."

    The Rules of Science

    Under the rules of science, people who make the claims bear the burden of proof. It is their responsibility to conduct suitable studies and report them in sufficient detail to permit evaluation and confirmation by others. Instead of subjecting their work to scientific standards, promoters of questionable "alternatives" would like to change the rules by which they are judged and regulated. "Alternative" promoters may give lip service to these standards. However, they regard personal experience, subjective judgment, and emotional satisfaction as preferable to objectivity and hard evidence. Instead of conducting scientific studies, they use anecdotes and testimonials to promote their practices and political maneuvering to keep regulatory agencies at bay. As noted in a recent New England Journal of Medicine editorial:

    What most sets alternative medicine apart . . . is that it has not been scientifically tested and its advocates largely deny the need for such testing. By testing, we mean the marshaling of rigorous evidence of safety and efficacy, as required by the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) for the approval of drugs and by the best peer-reviewed medical journals for the publication of research reports. Of course, many treatments used in conventional medicine have not been rigorously tested, either, but the scientific community generally acknowledges that this is a failing that needs to be remedied. Many advocates of alternative medicine, in contrast, believe the scientific method is simply not applicable to their remedies. . . .

    Alternative medicine also distinguishes itself by an ideology that largely ignores biologic mechanisms, often disparage modern science, and relies on what are purported to be ancient practices and natural remedies (which are seen as somehow being simultaneously more potent and less toxic than conventional medicine). Accordingly, herbs or mixtures of herbs are considered superior to the active compounds isolated in the laboratory. And healing methods such as homeopathy and therapeutic touch are fervently promoted despite not only the lack of good clinical evidence of effectiveness, but the presence of a rationale that violates fundamental scientific laws -- surely a circumstance that requires more, rather than less, evidence [5].

    The AMA Archives of Dermatology recently published the parallel views of a German physician:

    When deliberating on the essence of alternative medicine we should simultaneously reflect on the intellectual and moral basis of regular medicine. . . . (1) alternative and regular medicine are speaking different languages; (2) alternative medicine is not unconventional medicine; (3) the paradigm of regular medicine is rational thinking; (4) the paradigm of alternative medicine is irrational thinking; (5) the present popularity of alternative medicine can be explained by romanticism; (6) some concepts of alternative medicine are falsifiable and others are not; (7) alternative medicine and evidence-based medicine are mutually exclusive; (8) the placebo effect is an important factor in regular medicine and the exclusive therapeutic principle of alternative medicine; (9) regular and alternative medicine have different aims: coming of age vs faithfulness; (10) alternative medicine is not always safe; (11) alternative medicine is not economic; and (12) alternative medicine will always exist. The fact that alternative methods are presently an integral part of medicine as taught at German universities, as well as of the physician's fee schedule, represents a collective aberration of mind that hopefully will last for only a short time [6].

    When someone feels better after having used a product or procedure, it is natural to credit whatever was done. This is unwise, however, because most ailments resolve by themselves and those that persist can have variable symptoms. Even serious conditions can have sufficient day-to-day variation to enable useless methods to gain large followings. In addition, taking action often produces temporary relief of symptoms due to a placebo effect. This effect is a beneficial change in a person's condition that occurs in response to a treatment but is not due to the pharmacologic or physical aspects of the treatment. Belief in the treatment is not essential, but the placebo effect may be enhanced by such factors as faith, sympathetic attention, sensational claims, testimonials, and the use of scientific-looking charts, devices, and terminology. Another drawback of individual success stories is that they don't indicate how many failures might occur for each success. People who are not aware of these facts tend to give undeserved credit to "alternative" methods.

    The fact that an "alternative" method may exert a placebo effect that relieves symptoms is not sufficient reason to justify its use. Therapy should be based on the ability to alter abnormal physiology and not on the ability to elicit a less predictable placebo effect. Placebo therapy is inherently misleading and can make patients believe something is effective when it is not. Without controlled clinical trials, any treatment that is used could receive credit for the body's natural recuperative ability.

    Medical "facts" are determined through a process in which hundreds of thousands of scientists share their observations and beliefs. Editors and editorial boards of scientific journals play an important role by screening out invalid findings and enabling significant ones to be published. Expert panels convened by government agencies, professional groups, voluntary health agencies, and other organizations also contribute to this effort. When controversies arise, further research can be devised to settle them. Gradually, a shared set of beliefs is developed that is considered scientifically accurate.

    Science versus Vitalism

    Science assumes that in order to develop a coherent body of knowledge, it is necessary to assume that supernatural powers do not exist or, if they do exist, they do not interfere. If such interference were possible, then all attempts at controlled experimentation would be either impossible or pointless.

    Many "alternative" approaches are rooted in vitalism, the concept that bodily functions are due to a vital principle or "life force" distinct from the physical forces explainable by the laws of physics and chemistry and detectable by scientific instrumentation. Practitioners whose methods are based on vitalistic philosophy maintain that diseases should be treated by "stimulating the body's ability to heal itself" rather than by "treating symptoms." Homeopaths, for example, claim that illness is due to a disturbance of the body's "vital force," which they can correct with special remedies, while many acupuncturists claim that disease is due to imbalance in the flow of "life energy" (chi or Qi), which they can balance by twirling needles in the skin. Many chiropractors claim to assist the body's "Innate Intelligence" by adjusting the patient's spine. Naturopaths speak of "Vis Medicatrix Naturae." Ayurvedic physicians refer to "prana." And so on. The "energies" postulated by vitalists cannot be measured by scientific methods.

    Although vitalists often pretend to be scientific, they really reject the scientific method with its basic assumptions of material reality, mechanisms of cause and effect, and testability of hypotheses. They regard personal experience, subjective judgment, and emotional satisfaction as preferable to objectivity and hard evidence.

    Some "alternative" proponents are physicians who have strayed from scientific thought. The factors that motivate them can include delusional thinking, misinterpretation of personal experience, financial considerations, and pleasure derived from notoriety and/or patient adulation.

    Overclaim and Puffery

    "Alternative" promoters often claim that their approach promotes general health and is cost-effective against chronic health problems. In a recent article, for example, the American Holistic Association's president claimed that various "basic healthy habits" would "tap a well-spring of physical energy experienced as a state of relaxed vitality." [7] In addition to exercising, eating a nutritious diet, and getting sufficient sleep, the list includes abdominal breathing; taking "a full complement of antioxidants and supplements; and "enhancing the body's ability to receive and generate bioenergy" through regular acupuncture treatments, acupressure, healing touch, craniosacral therapy, qigong, and several other nonstandard modalities. As far as I know, there is no published evidence that "alternative" practitioners are more effective than mainstream physicians in persuading their patients to improve their lifestyle. Nor have any vitalistic approaches been proven effective or cost-effective against any disease.

    National Council Against Health Fraud president William T. Jarvis, Ph.D., has noted:

    Some techniques referred to as "alternative" may be appropriately used as part of the art of patient care. Relaxation techniques and massage are examples. But procedures linked to belief systems that reject science itself have no place in responsible medicine. Useless procedures don't add to the outcome, just to the overhead.

    Rosemary Jacobs, an consumer activist who operates a Web site that debunks colloidal silver , has made some penetrating observations with which I agree:

    "Alternative therapy" is a marketing term that should not be permitted. All the public wants is safe, effective and efficient. They also want objective standards of measurement used to determine what is safe, effective and efficient. There is a general consensus as to what those standards are among scientists and rational people for most therapies. In other words, for most diseases and conditions, experts know what works, what doesn't work, what is unknown and what falls into a gray area - - what may work but the jury is still out.

    Anyone wanting to practice engineering or architecture has to abide by objective standards. I think that anyone who wants to practice medicine professionally should have to so too. People who believe that personal experience is the best way to evaluate drugs and therapies should have to identify themselves as spiritualists or New Age religious practitioners but not as medical practitioners. They should be forced to admit to themselves and to the world that they reject science and objective standards, and they should never be allowed to sell the drugs they prescribe [8].

    The NIH Debacle

    Many news reports have exaggerated the significance of the National Institutes of Health (NIH)'s Office of Alternative Medicine (OAM). Creation of this office was spearheaded by promoters of questionable cancer therapies who wanted more attention paid to their methods. Most of OAM's advisory panel members have been promoters of "alternative" methods, and none of its publications have criticized any method. In 1994, the OAM's first director resigned, charging that political interference had hampered his ability to carry out OAM's mission in a scientific manner [9]. In 1998, Congress upgraded OAM into an NIH center with an annual budget of $50 million. Today the agency is called the National Center for Complementary and Alternative Medicine (NCCAM) and has an annual budget exceeding $100 million [10].

    When OAM was created, I stated: "It remains to be seen whether such studies will yield useful results. Even if some do, their benefit is unlikely to outweigh the publicity bonanza given to questionable methods." In 2002, Wallace I. Sampson, M.D., editor of the Scientific Review of Alternative Medicine summed up what has happened:

    It is time for Congress to defund the National Center for Complementary and Alternative Medicine. After ten years of existence and over $200 million in expenditures, it has not proved effectiveness for any "alternative" method. It has added evidence of ineffectiveness of some methods that we knew did not work before NCCAM was formed. NCCAM proposals for 2002 and 2003 promise no more. Its major accomplishment has been to ensure the positions of medical school faculty who might become otherwise employed -- in more productive pursuits [10].

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  • Mary
    Mary
    To deliberately ignore a cure for cancer is to be a sociopath bent on allowing innocent suffering by children. Are you prepared to stand up and say the MAJORITY of people working in the medical field are sociopathic torturers?

    I don't lay the blame on the average doctor or nurse, but yes I do believe that many of the top research scientists know far more than what they're letting on. They're probably pressured by the big guns and the reason is common: money and power. There's probably those that know there's evidence being supressed, but they're pressured and intimidated to keep their jobs by keeping their mouths shut.

    It's similar to the Organization. Do I blame the average Witness for spreading false doctrines? Of course not. Most of them have no idea of the true nature of the religion and believe whole heartedly that they're doing the right thing. I do, however, blame those at the top for suppressing information in order to keep the dollars coming in which keeps them in power. There's probably quite a few at Bethel that know something's wrong but they're pressured and intimidated to toe the line.

  • brinjen
    brinjen
    Terry said: There is never a shortage of false hope and distant "supressed" cures. The wealthy flock to all such rumored salvations and die along the way.

    I'm well aware of Tony Abbot's view. I saw the interview this article quotes him from. Dr Holt has never said he has the cure for cancer, that's what his patients said after their treatment.

    Tony Abbot refused to put the treatment under Medicare because he claims the survival rate isn't much different. BTW, he also wanted to reduce the eligibility for women to receive IVF treatment as well. He's labeled a lot of conventional treatments to not be covered by Medicare.

    What this article doesn't mention is that very few people ever went to see Dr Holt initially after their diagnosis. They went to him as a last resort, after they'd been through the chemotherapy, radiotherapy etc and had been told by their doctors there was nothing more they could do for them. Any survival rate is a good thing, these people would have been dead otherwise. As I recall, Mr Abbot wouldn't answer this question when he was asked.

    Why hold this treatment back?

  • Terry
    Terry

    The official view of the AMA on so called Folk Medicine comes from their own web pages:

    RECOMMENDATIONS

    The following statements, recommended by the Council on Scientific Affairs, were adopted by the AMA House of Delegates as AMA policy at the 1997 AMA Annual Meeting.

    The AMA:

    1. Does not recommend the sole use of unvalidated folk remedies to treat disease without scientific evidence regarding their safety or efficacy;
    2. Encourages research to determine the safety and efficacy of folk remedies;
    3. Urges that physicians be aware that the use of folk remedies may delay patients from seeking medical attention or receiving conventional therapies with proven benefit for disease treatment and prevention;
    4. Urges that practicing physicians routinely ask patients whether they are using folk medicine or family remedies for their symptoms. Physicians can educate patients about the level of scientific information available about the therapy they are using, as well as conventional therapies that are known to be safe and efficacious; and
    5. Urges that physicians be aware of folk remedies in use and the level of scientific information available about such remedies, and should include this information when discussing conventional treatments and therapies with their patients.

    It comes down to the same argument as "Creation Science" versus actual Science.

    The religious fanatic without the education to understand the difference says "Why hold back allowing students to study BOTH?"

    This puts crackpot superstition and ignorance on the SAME LEVEL as real science and destroys the distinction.

    The real argument comes down to people who think they can read a few books and put their judgement on the same level as academically accredited graduates of actual institutions of learning.

    This is MEDIEVAL MADNESS!

    My grandfather wasted the last 50 years of his life reading crackpot literature about vitamins, folk remedies and the conspiracy of the Medical profession. It is just like a religion, folks and it has the same vigilante mentality as the early Jehovah's Witnesses who fulminated and foamed at the mouth against Christendom and the Papacy.

    Fool me once; shame on you. Fool me twice: shame on me.

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