What is/was the last most believable date for second coming/Armageddon?

by AllAlongTheWatchtower 28 Replies latest watchtower bible

  • AllAlongTheWatchtower
    AllAlongTheWatchtower

    I was never a witness, I joined this site after my wife started studying with them, and I got upset over some of the things that resulted from that. However, I grew up in a similar high-control group called the Worldwide Church of God. Much like the witnesses, in the mid 70s ( I forget the exact year, I was only in elementary school in those days, but it may have been 75, just like JWs), there was a big push toward the end being at hand, the Great Tribulation is coming, etc etc. I remember when this flopped, that a lot of people began speculating as to just what happened, and when the 'REAL' end would come.

    Everybody had their own pet theories. One that I recall, was that it would be whatever the failed year was, +3. So assuming the WCG failure was in 75 just like the JWs, then 75+3 = 78. The reasoning being, that since Christ was actually born in 3 BC or thereabouts, that there was a 3 or even 4 year 'fudge factor', depending on whether you counted a year zero or not. Well, that came and went. Another pet theory of many was that it would be 1999, because 999 upside down was 666, and because it was very close to being 2,000 years (Many believed that time was divided into eras; 2,000 years roughly pre-flood, 2,000 more flood-Jesus, then 2,000 years Jesus-Armageddon).

    I'm now an atheist, but still have sort of an intellectual curiousity into what people believe about this, it's not only the JWs who think doomsday is right around the corner. But the doomsday prophets are running out of believable dates-when will the last date be here that can still be supported biblically? When I was still a believer, I thought surely that the very last possible year would be 2004 or 2005 at the latest, after all it was 2000 years plus a few for a safety margin. According to the wikipedia entry on Anno Domini (link and quote below), there is possibly as much as an 8-10 year difference in accuracy, though. However you look at it, and whatever (in)accuracies and overlaps there are, surely we are running out of time for ANY biblical support of a 6,000 year "reign of Satan" followed by Armageddon and a 1,000 year millenium. Anybody got their own theories? And what happens when people realize this? Do they go on believing on faith anyway, or does Christianity quietly begin to fade away?

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesus

    "It is hard to date Jesus' birth because some sources are now gone and over 1900 years have passed since the Gospels were written; however, based on a lunar eclipse that the first-century historian Josephus reported shortly before the death of Herod the Great (who plays a role in Matthew's account), as well as a more accurate understanding of the succession of Roman Emperors, Jesus' birth would have been before the year 3 BC/BCE."

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anno_Domini

    "Another calculation had been developed by the Alexandrian monk Annianus around the year AD 400, placing the Annunciation on March 25, AD 9 (Julian) — eight to ten years after the date that Dionysius later calculated. This Era of Incarnation was dominant in the East during the early centuries of the Byzantine Empire, and is still used today in Ethiopia, accounting for the 8 or 7-year discrepancy between the Gregorian and the Ethiopian calendar."

  • Mysterious
    Mysterious

    Well it has to come early in 2008 because the elders told me I wouldn't get my degree before the end comes. /grin

  • jwfacts
    jwfacts

    Every year since Jesus has had doomsday prophets, and they will always be around. The Watchtower Society can not keep saying Jesus rulership started in 1914 so the end is about to come forever. Either they will change the 1914 date to something more current, drop their doomsday element, or fade away, only to be replaced by some new doomsday religion.

    The Jews have been waiting for the Messiah even longer, He was foretold in the OT and some are still awaiting his arrival.

    When will people learn that they will never be happy whilst they postpone happiness waiting for some future event to occur?

  • Marcel
    Marcel

    the next one is 2034 = 1914 + 120 years (like noah had to wait for the flood)

    the most believable was 1975 for me.at least if i were already existing in that year ;)
    1914 is a farce just as 1915,1918,1925,1994,etc. independently they point to armageddon or something else. ive heard an annointed one who said secretly (for not becoming disfellowshipped), that all these dates are rubbish in her eyes (except 1914 i guess, she didnt specified that). shes dead now - she probably knows the truth or nothing at all now ;)

    i think the most jws believe (and i was one of them) that there isnt a specific date but since the world is bad it cant be much longer - its sooo cloooose. i would have voted this way:

    chance to be still living in the old system in the year:

    2008: 95%
    2010: 80%
    2015: 70%
    2020: 50%
    2030: 30%
    2035: 20%
    2100: 0.1%

    lol :) but thats just the same way as the guys in 1908 thought! im sure.

    when i was a kid my mother told me that i wont probably leave elementary school and by no chance have to work in this system of things. lol. damn.

  • Gopher
    Gopher

    The most believable date?

    To quote an old Johnny Mathis song:

    THE TWELFTH OF NEVER. (and that's a long, long time)

  • Quandry
    Quandry

    When I was first "in," being baptized in 1973, I remember the WTS publishing the statement that we must face the facts if we are young in this system of things. We would never get old. I think they were using this in reference to pioneering instead of getting an education.

    Well, I faced those facts then. Of course, I am facing the fact now that I am 55 years old and have no college degree and a low paying job with no retirement savings.

    How long can they keep making statements like that and people keep blankly nodding in agreement?

    Well, oddly enough, their methods continually seem to work. They put just the right "spiritual" spin on things. They are masters at "new light" such as the "generation" change from 1995.

    Yes, until 2035 I think they can keep alot of people happy with the "it's just around the corner" spiel. After that, it will become interesting. How can they explain anything away at that point?

    Of course, I would be so old at that time, I may not remember my own name, or remember what's supposed to interest me.

  • zack
    zack

    Armageddon happended in 1975. The reason you didn't see it is becuase of your lack of faith. Only true faith can render the invisible visible. :)

  • VanillaMocha73
    VanillaMocha73

    None of them.... No man knows the day or hour.... period....

  • still_in74
    still_in74

    i dont know what to believe anymore........... all I know is one day I want to abandon everything, move to Tibet and become a monk...... the next day I want to move to California and be a porn star! Anyone have a coin????

  • Hortensia
    Hortensia

    be a porn star and THEN move to Tibet. They won't care.

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