ARE YOU PSYCHIC..........................AND WHAT DID YOU THINK AS A JW ?

by vitty 45 Replies latest jw friends

  • NotaNess
    NotaNess

    On the morning of 9-11, my wife and I were getting ready for work. Out of the blue I told her I felt like something bad was going to happen that day. I remember I was tucking my shirt in at the same time or something...Anyway, about 30 minutes later the first plane hit the twin towers. I dropped her off before we heard of the 1st plane, and when I heard it on the radio, I went back to her work where they had it on TV. We were taken by the whole event, but we hadn't remembered I said that until some moments later, she said..."you just said this morning that you felt something bad was gonna happen!!!"

    Make of it what you will, but this is truth. Weird connections like this happen with me all the time, and my wife looks at me like "You're freaky" -cut it out!"

  • aSphereisnotaCircle
    aSphereisnotaCircle

    Terry, i agree with what you said, particularly this,

    Women seem particularly vulnerable to the paranormal literature, claims and backstory. It is my crackpot theory that this comes from the terrible way men in society have tried to keep women powerless. Why wouldn't a woman want to develop any power or ability which gives her more leverage to achieve equality or dominance? It would be unintelligent not to investigate!

    But tell me, why does the police hire psychics? This makes no sense to me, and it appears to be a common practice!

  • Kudra
    Kudra

    When have police actually hired psychics?

    I have heard of that a lot sort of in a "hearsay" way but do not know of any specific instances of that happening. I'd be interested in anyone that knows of an actual example.

    -K

  • Terry
    Terry

    If I had to pick and choose between the
    viewpoints of a scientist in the field and
    a store book clerk I will go with the former.

    Respectfully,

    The Wanderer

    Which particular scientist did you have in mind?

  • Terry
    Terry

    But tell me, why does the police hire psychics? This makes no sense to me, and it appears to be a common practice!

    This commonplace claim (by psychics) is actually false.

    Publicity seeking charlatans make these claims constantly. Sylvia Browne, for example, has made statements about the whereabouts or condition of victims who have disappeared which were later proved conclusively to be bogus.

    T.

  • Terry
    Terry

    psychic detective

    A psychic detective (PD) is an alleged psychic who offers to help law enforcement agencies solve crimes.

    In their book, The Blue Sense: Psychic Detectives and Crime, Arthur Lyons and Marcello Truzzi list many reasons people without any psychic powers gain a reputation for assisting in the detection of crime. In many cases, most of the evidence in favor of the psychic detective is provided to the mass media by the psychic rather than by an independent source. The mass media are rarely critical or skeptical of the claims of psychics. For example, alleged psychic detective Sylvia Browne has declared many times that she has used her psychic powers to solve crimes, yet it is rare to see her challenged as she was by Brill's Content.

    Brill's Content has examined ten recent Montel Williams programs that highlighted Browne's work as a psychic detective (as opposed to her ideas about "the afterlife," for example), spanning 35 cases. In 21, the details were too vague to be verified. Of the remaining 14, law-enforcement officials or family members involved in the investigations say that Browne had played no useful role.

    "These guys don't solve cases, and the media consistently gets it wrong," says Michael Corn, an investigative producer for "Inside Edition" who produced a story last May debunking psychic detectives. Moreover, the FBI and the National Center for Missing & Exploited Children maintain that to their knowledge, psychic detectives have never helped solve a single missing-person case.

    "Zero. They go on TV and I see how things go and what they claim but no, zero," says FBI agent Chris Whitcomb. "They may be remarkable in other ways, but the FBI does not use them" ("Prophet Motive," Brill's Content, November 27, 2000).

    Browne has made many claims on the "Larry King Show" about her great crime-solving powers, including the claim that she solved the 1993 World Trade Center bombing. James Randi challenged another of Browne's claims, made on "Larry King," to be working with Stephen Xanthos of the Rumson, New Jersey, police department. She said she was getting ready to close a case.

    ….no person named Xanthos ever worked with that police department, though there was a Stephen Xanthos who was canned from another New Jersey police department. Looking a little further into this mythical claim of Sylvia's, we discovered that Xanthos had a private investigator's license at one time, but it expired in 1994. It's interesting to note that if this man really had been working with Browne, as she stated he was on the Larry King show, he would be subject to charges of a third degree felony, under New Jersey State law - that's on a par with burglary and car theft. Not that we ever believed Sylvia was telling the truth, but she should be a bit more clever with her mendacity (Randi).

    There are other reasons for the undeserved reputations of psychic detectives besides blowing their own horns to an uncritical media. They do sometimes guess correctly. Everybody can have a 50% hit rate if we guess "dead" or "alive" about a missing person. The odds are good that by the time a psychic gets involved in a missing person case, the person is probably dead. The events predicted by PDs are commonplace events which are predicted by thousands of psychics every year. (A missing person will be either dead or alive; if dead probably buried; if buried probably in a remote place such as the woods. Shallow graves are likely to be pretty common, too. How many killers take the time to dig a deep grave? Yet, predicting that a body will be found in a shallow grave in a wooded area is taken by some to be truly astounding if it turns out to be the case.) In other words, some PDs' "visions" are bound to be "correct" often enough for the credulous to be duped. What seems like an accurate perception is due to its vagueness, commonness, and the latitude available as to what will count as a psychic hit. E.g., "I see water near the body;" "I see trees." Some PDs are very skilful in their use of vagueness and ambiguity, and provide "the verbal equivalent of a Rorschach test," according to Piet Hein Hoebens, one of Truzzi's collaborators in a "Psychic Sleuths" project.

    Lyons and Truzzi note that, over time, reports of psychic achievements get exaggerated and distorted. Vague claims become specific. Errors become replaced with correct predictions. Events that never happened become "facts." Often, the PD herself or himself is the source of this historical reconstructionism. Sometimes a psychic's "predictions" are made after an event, but claimed to have been made before it, like Sylvia Browne's claim after the September 11 th terrorist attacks that she had predicted it.

    Some of the undeserved reputation of PDs comes from their clients: the police or relatives of crime victims. The clients count misses and errors as hits. For example, Browne told a woman her husband died of a "clot" and, even though he died of a hemorrhage, the client agreed that Brown was right, even though the difference between the two is like the difference between a plugged drain and a burst pipe.

    Clients often take coincidences for hits. Sometimes, as Lyons and Truzzi point out, the information provided by the PD was garnered from another source, often from an unwitting law enforcement agent. The psychic just feeds back information initially provided by the client himself. Some psychic successes are merely self-fulfilling prophecies. Clients find ways to retrofit facts with the vague and ambiguous pronouncements of the psychic. Clients also often use selective thinking, remembering what seems accurate and forgetting what was clearly not on the mark. Furthermore, the mass media publish stories about alleged psychic successes, while generally ignoring stories about psychic failures and frauds. Reputations are thereby created and enhanced from trivial or paltry evidence of psychic detective powers.

    According to Lyons and Truzzi, PDs often use shotgunning to providing information, i.e., they provide a large quantity of information, some of which is bound to fit the case. Shotgunning relies on confirmation bias and cold reading, the Forer effect and Barnum-type statements: the cop tunes in to the info that is correct and ignores what isn't and unknowingly gives cues to the psychic as he or she fires salvo after salvo.

    Some PDs are simply frauds, according to Lyons and Truzzi. Some psychics even use accomplices to accomplish their frauds and deceptions. Some bribe informants, including police officers, for information they pass off as acquired by psychic means.

    While it is true that some cops believe in psychics, many simply use them for their own purposes. Lyons and Truzzi tell the story of a cop who considered psychic Noreen Reiner's drawing of a circle to be a correct clue in a crime because the person arrested drove a cement mixer. Another cop considered Dorothy Allison's clues in a case to be on the money even though she predicted a missing person was dead who was not dead but was living in a religious cult community. The cop admitted he was baffled by Allison's error about the person being dead but which way was he dead? asked the cop, "Biologically? Clinically? Dead tired?" However, such wishful thinking and self-deception seem to be the exception rather than the rule among law enforcement officers. Cops are more likely to use psychics to cover up their real sources of information, to protect an informant, or to conceal the fact that information was obtained illegally. Finally, some cops use psychics, or even pretend to be psychic, to psych out superstitious suspects.

    Lyons and Truzzi also note that many PDs simply use their intelligence, reason inductively and deductively, play hunches, examine evidence, make careful observations, listen attentively, consider alternatives, follow their intuition, etc., just like "real" cops do. In some cases, the PDs have more experience with certain types of crimes than the cops they work with.

    Despite the very strong evidence that most psychic detectives are deluded or frauds, Lyons and Truzzi divide the world of psychics into psychics and pseudo-psychics. Pseudo-psychics are divided into authentic (those who are not aware that they are using tricks or ordinary means of perception, information gathering, reasoning, etc.) and unauthentic (the outright frauds). To support their notion that at least some of the PDs may truly be psychic, Lyons and Truzzi note that

    Some people have an unusually acute sense of vision, hearing, or smell, what psychologists call hyperesthesia. A recent example was a New Jersey doctor [Arthur G. Lintgen] who was able to examine an unlabeled classical recording and ascertain the music and sometimes even the conductor just by looking at the grooves.

    The authors take such an ability as evidence of some extraordinary power (vinyl vision), but Dr. Lintgen has a different explanation: The trick is to examine the physical construction of the recording and look at the relative playing time of each one of the movements or separations on the recording (Seckel).

    Dr. Lintgen also used other quite ordinary inductive and deductive powers to identify such arcane bits of information as the nationality of the orchestra. One thing he didn't do, however, was deceive himself or others regarding his talent, a bit of honesty seemingly lost on many of today's self-proclaimed psychics.

    See alsoclairvoyance, Jeane Dixon, Uri Geller, psychic, and James Van Praagh.

    further reading

    reader comments

    Commentaries on various alleged psychics and psychic powers:

    Hicks, Robert D. In Pursuit of Satan: the Police and the Occult (Buffalo, N.Y.: Prometheus Books, 1991).

    Lyons, Arthur and Marcello Truzzi, The Blue Sense: Psychic Detectives and Crime, New York: The Mysterious Press, 1991).

    Nickell, Joe. ed. Psychic sleuths: ESP and sensational cases (Buffalo, N.Y. : Prometheus Books, 1994).

    Rawcliffe, Donovan Hilton, Illusions and Delusions of the Supernatural and the Occult; the Psychology of the Occult (New York: Dover Publications, 1959).

    Steiner, Robert A. "Fortunetelling," in The Encyclopedia of the Paranormal edited by Gordon Stein (Buffalo, N.Y.: Prometheus Books, 1996) pp. 281-290.

  • fifi40
    fifi40

    I am as open minded about this subject as I am about the existence of God..................who really, truly knows the answers to whether some have psychic ability or, if there is a greater being.............we conclude what suits us as individuals.

    The reasons I cant discount psychic power or the supernatural are for the following reasons....................when I was young I was raised in a very old rambling country house, complete with cellars and a priest hole...........one day I was in the third floor attic rooms, alone and the light bulb gave of a green light and the room had a real weird smell.........I got out of there pretty quick..........but I remember it to this day vividly.....explain that.

    More recently, about 2 years ago I had a dream that a horse won a race called Lady Hopeful...............I had never heard of this horse, but about a month later I noticed it entered for a race at Wolverhampton..............it had no form so to speak and was a 33/1 outsider........regardless of that I had quite a big bet on it........and it romped home. Weird but true. How do you explain that..........

    Now I am waiting to dream the lottery numbers or another Lady Hopeful.............

    Throughout my life I have experienced the wierdest coincidences...........similar to the poster who spoke about his bad feeling the day of 9/11.....although mine are not usually bad feelings but just freaky coincidences............like being sat in St Marks square in Venice, thousand of miles from home and overhearing the people on the table next to my husband and I discussing the small village where I was born and raised........this village has about 60 houses max and they lived there..............I have had countless experiences of this type.

    Fifi

  • ninja
    ninja

    they experiences are weird feefity...one time when I was young I was in the classroom when I heard this noise like a ripping kind of sound then it was followed by a weird smell...when I looked round at the guy sitting next to me he had this really evil smile.....wanted to get out of there as fast as possible but couldn't...the teacher would have told my mum......then one time I was eating a pie and it tasted horrible...a horses name kept coming into my mind as I was eating it..."SHERGAR"....still cant explain that one either.....another time I was sitting in a restaurant and this person kept talking about the saving "planet earth"....I thought to myself..."thats where I stay"!!!!!...spooky or what mrs?.....muhahahahaha......think I'm telekninjetik?

  • found-my-way
    found-my-way
    they experiences are weird feefity...one time when I was young I was in the classroom when I heard this noise like a ripping kind of sound then it was followed by a weird smell...when I looked round at the guy sitting next to me he had this really evil smile.....wanted to get out of there as fast as possible but couldn't...the teacher would have told my mum......then one time I was eating a pie and it tasted horrible...a horses name kept coming into my mind as I was eating it..."SHERGAR"....still cant explain that one either.....another time I was sitting in a restaurant and this person kept talking about the saving "planet earth"....I thought to myself..."thats where I stay"!!!!!...spooky or what mrs?.....muhahahahaha......think I'm telekninjetik?

    I laughed so much, thank you, I needed that more than you know

  • fifi40
    fifi40

    Ninjette...................if I didnt know better I'd think you were taking the mick................but its so strange how we have had these similar experiences...............guess you wont want the lottery numbers if I dream them

    Fi

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