Sincere Question to Anyone who Believes in God

by Big Tex 84 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

  • Big Tex
    Big Tex
    Sorry darling for the mouthy fingers. but you asked I replied

    Well Little Toe mentioned something about Grace, so I thought you'd be the one to talk to.

    No really, thank you. Maybe it's just that I'm not ready for what you talk about. I don't know. But I do know I want to get squared away before my time is over. I'm not convinced that the only way to God is through Jesus, with all due respect I think that limits God. Nina thinks I make things more difficult than they need to be; maybe she's right.

    I'm reminded of the painting where Jesus is knocking on the door. There is a handle on only one side of the door; His side doesn't have a handle-He wants us to open it. God respects our decision and unless we ask, He won't interfere.

    I don't mean to sound in any way difficult, but I've never heard things like this very well. GQ I know you mean well, but my first thought when I read your post was: "But I did ask and he ignored me." And you know, at the end of the day, that's exactly what happened. And I'm not really very interested in hearing "wait on God" or "God moves in mysterious ways" or any of that other crap. You know, that didn't do me a whole lot of good while my grandfather was raping me as a pre-schooler. Nor was God around when my mother screwed with my mind about a billion times growing up. I'm sorry, but God, Jesus, Buddha and Superman just don't give a shit about me. I'd much rather think of God wanting to help but unable, rather than being all-powerful and choosing not to. I don't know why, but I still give to him better motives than he's shown me.

    Okay I know I've still got anger at God, maybe it's a parental transference. Anyway, please know GQ I am not aiming anything at you. You've responded very kindly in this thread and just know how much I appreciate your spirit.

    Big Tex, getting back to your first post, well I found this article intriguing, it is a "debate" consisting of Micheal Shermer's(editor of Skeptic mag) response to a book by Deepak Chorpra on evidence for the afterlife, and Chorpra's rebuttal to it.

    http://www.skeptic.com/reading_room/debates/afterlife.html

    Thank you! I'm backlogged now on reading material. I've been offline since Sunday because not only one but now both computers have been infected and I'm struggling along until I can back everything up and re-format both of them.

    Anyway when I'm up and running at full speed I will absolutely catch up on my reading.

    I'm curious - which book on buddhism did jst2laws reccommend. I've browsed through books on buddhism in bookstores - but it seems such a big subject I've ended up not buying anythin.

    Well actually I don't know if any of these books are about Buddhism. He and I had a rather metaphysical discussion (one which I found fascinating by the way), so I don't know if any of these books cover what you're interested in, but here's the list he sent me:

    Spontaneous Fulfilment of Desire By Depack Chopra

    The Power of Intention By Wayne Dyer The Matter Myth by Paul Davies and John Gribbin Mind into Matter by Fred Alan Wolf The Field by Lynne McTaggert The Self-Aware Universe by Amit Goswami He said if you're looking for a place to start, begin with Depack Chopra's book (which I intend to this weekend when I get paid. ). I hope he chimes in, or starts a thread because I was really very interested in listening to what he had to say about this particular subject (life and death).
    Zen is, I think, a Japanese or Tibetan form of Buddhism. The term Zen comes from 'zazen' which means "sitting" as in meditation. All of the forms of B'hism are based on the Buddha's teachings, which don't have much to do with gods. The belief systems are very similar. Zen is more of a non-religious philosophy or psychology, independent of theism (it's irrelevant whether one believes in a god).

    Thanks, I didn't know that. You know, that's one thing I'm hearing loud and clear from this thread: the need to listen to silence. That alone is a great help to me (assuming a couple of little people allow such silence!).

    "we" are is not our bodies or even our minds, but the essence is that which observes what we think, the Observer or Watcher. This is the part that is reborn into different bodies. It's not that WE have a spirit or "soul" but that the spirit or soul has us (our bodies). The same way that WE may not have genes, but that genes have us. And genes are not so much recycled but passed on thru different bodies. The same may be true of the consciousness of us.

    There is no why really, just that, like gravity or some other universal law, it just is. There isn't any god overseeing it, determining what we learn, etc. The details of the growth that we have wouldn't have to be recalled for the growth to take place during a lifetime. And the teachings seem to be that the lessons aren't lost, tho not recalled.

    Maybe it's a universal law like gravity or magnetism. Before the laws were discovered, it may have seemed mysterious the way things behaved. Maybe there's some undiscovered universal law that would explain reincarnation.

    I hear you Pat, and it's all good. Thank you for sharing, I really do appreciate it. I want to understand, and I think before I truly understand I've got to make myself open to everything.

    My only problem with coming back, is I don't really want to. And I really mean it. Don't get me wrong, I enjoy certain parts of the physical, but for the most part in my opinion this life just sucks big time. It's filled with trauma and anxiety and sadness and pressure. It just doesn't let up. One movie quote that hit home with me is from "Best Friends" when Jessica Tandy said, "Life has a way of just beating the shit out of you."

    It's just the unrelenting nature of this life that gets to me and the idea that I've got to go through this again (or God forbid worse!), sorry I'm just not interested. Maybe I'm one of those high-maintence wimpy souls who can't handle a couple of problems.

    That's kind of how Buddhism is: personal growth on your own journey or path. It's not arguable nor dogmatic. Just a peaceful tool for inner exploration and growth.

    Now this I can agree with wholeheartedly. I do feel as if I'm on a journey. Now what that journey is, or where I'm going I don't know. Earlier in this thread I said I believe in dreams. And I've had some interesting ones along the way. One, at least to my own narcissistic mind, was while I was in therapy and I dreamed I was flying a WWI bi-plane across the ocean. I had no compass, no idea where I was going, except for the sun. I just knew I had to follow the sun. So maybe that means I'm really Paul McCartney's love child.

    P.S. I don't have a formatting bar on my reply screen, so it's turning out weird and I can't change the font or anything. Any ideas?

    Depends on what you're using. Simon built this software to run on Microsoft-based software, so if you're using Foxfire, or Netscape (or whatever else) you're in big trouble as this board is not friendly towards non-Microsoft programs. This board works best if you use Explorer.

    Chris

  • nowisee
    nowisee

    hi--

    i (i think you asked me a question earlier). fair enough. i don't know. if we knew that answer i guess we would have the problem solved! why? why? why? why was my father teetotaler and my uncle alcoholic? why was my mother self-absorbed, my aunt a giver? why do some resolve to be the opposite of what they were exposed to and others get right down and dirty into it? maybe something to do with birth order?

    i don't know.

    i will just say i am glad for you and all of us that you made the choice that you did. i don't know, but maybe it was providence. maybe the end result will be worth everything that comes before.

    let's hope.

    this has been a great thread. thanks.

    best wishes, nowisee

  • jschwehm
    jschwehm
    But I must warn you, I know what the Bible says and reasoning from the scriptures doesn't mean much to me

    Well, we do not have to talk about the Bible. I just thought I would mostly listen. Plus we can learn about God just from talking about the issues you have brought up. God is bigger than the Bible alone.

    Jeff S.

    www.catholicxjw.com

  • patio34
    patio34

    "Depends on what you're using. Simon built this software to run on Microsoft-based software, so if you're using Foxfire, or Netscape (or whatever else) you're in big trouble as this board is not friendly towards non-Microsoft programs. This board works best if you use Explorer."

    Ah so! Thanks, Chris. I AM using Firefox so that 'splains things. For some reason my Explorer went kaput and my techie friend put on Firefox.

    Well, there're worse things in life ;-)

    Pat

  • Guest with Questions
    Guest with Questions

    Big Tex: I wrote this late last night but am just now sending it.

    For what it’s worth.

    I hope I didn’t appear flippant in my last post. I was responding to what Mouthy said. I believe in God so my posts are going to reflect that.

    I wasn’t hurt by your response. I know you question what you went through and you don’t understand, if there is a God, why He hasn’t answered you. As I’ve stated before, I do believe that He did answer you in part through your wife. I wouldn’t minimize that.

    Some things that happen to people are so horrendous, (especially towards the vulnerable-like the young) and there is no reason for it, except that there is sin. Obviously some people are very disturbed and never should have children.

    I’ve prayed about certain things, begging God, but nothing happened. Is it that we did get an answer but we can’t see it? I’m just starting to realize, that the thing that annoys me in my life was actually something that protected me, but I was too dense to see it.

    I have been angry with God. I’ve asked Him why did some things have to happen to me. For a time I wished He would take my life because it became too unbearable for me. I’d question Him. I didn’t ask to be born; I had no choice in the matter. Did I need to learn empathy, patience, trust? What harsh lessons.

    To protect ourselves we put up barriers but these same barriers can also block out the good things in life. It can affect our relationships with people and with God. They love us but we may not feel it.

    I do believe that God is holy and that love and hate don’t mix. Maybe as long as we harbour anger and hatred we block ourselves off from a relationship with God.

    To forgive is so unnatural for us, especially when the wound is very deep. We want justice, revenge, but all it does is hurt us and we continue to be the victim. I have to be honest. It’s almost impossible to forgive someone who has hurt you deeply. At this level it doesn’t happen overnight. I think it’s a long process but I think with Gods’ grace it can be done.

    Nina thinks I make things more difficult than they need to be; maybe she's right.

    I think that Nina might be right. I envy people that take life, faith with ease. Why do some people go through life carefree and others needing to know all the answers?

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