If your mate cheated on you, could you forgive?

by avidbiblereader 106 Replies latest watchtower scandals

  • BizzyBee
    BizzyBee
    When a partner in a committed relationship cheats it indicates a fundamental flaw in the relationship. And not likely to be repairable. Lots of couple stay together anyway because their relationship is based on many things other than love and trust. (Such as: children, finances, fear, etc.)
    I disagree!!!!!! I have never shared children, a bank account or a fear with a boyfriend. I did love them both. I did share juices with other people while with them. I didnt love them any less. Why oh why does sharing what is just a basic biological function like eating and defacting mean that my relationship is therefore not loving.

    Crumpet, Then may I suggest that your relationships were not 'committed'? Which usually implies (but not necessarily) fidelity and therefore trust. Clearly, judging by the results, something didn't work..............

  • onacruse
    onacruse

    Crumpet:

    I think much of this is just a generational and geographical cultural gap thing. I dont believe that people who chose with their partners to be monogamous forever and make that work are wrong. I think it is admirable. But for me - I'd have to marry superman to make that kind of agreement.

    Would you then have no problem with my description of your behavior and attitude as being animalistic? Mind that I've said nothing judgmental about such behavior, and I'm not trying to pass off any moral evaluations. I'm only curious about whether you would have a problem with being labeled as "animalistic."

  • Hellrider
    Hellrider

    I don`t think so. I think I would want to forgive, and try to forgive, but it would probably pop up in the back of my mind constantly. Probably couldn`t live with that.

  • SPAZnik
    SPAZnik

    Of course I could forgive. (and have)

    That's not to say I'd decide to stay with the person. (and didn't)

    But I could forgive. (and have)

    I'm very much about free will. :)

  • Crumpet
    Crumpet
    Clearly, judging by the results, something didn't work..............

    Bizzybee - why do you say something didn't work? Is it on the basis that I am no longer with Mr C? That seems a terribly negative point of view. From my point of view it worked beyond my wildest dreams. When we started dating I explained that I didnt believe in mongamy and that I didnt date the same person longer than 3 years as I felt that for me was long enough to concentrate on one person and that we both deserved to explore the many wonderful human beings on this planet. And also I just felt that friendship would continue long after the shared living arrangements and sexual cohabitation may be over. This is the relationship that I still have with the first boyfriend 14 years on.

    In the end with Mr C - the relationship surpassed my expectations - its lasted three times longer than the predicted and planned life expectancy and we are still friends. Now I have two lovely men who call most days and talk to and share their girl problems and I share mine. This may not be what you consider successful perhaps. But for me well it is. It makes me happy. I conduct myself honestly, do not give out false hopes, and add to my friends (who are as good as family) constantly. By the time I am 60 perhaps I will have had many many wonderful relationships - the best part from me is the learning experience, the things you learn from close intimacy with other human beings - lots of em. The sex is just such a tiny part of a relationship - I just cannot see why it should be the mark by which everything else about a human being is judged. Am I only worth something as long as I have sex with just that person? It seems the way of the world that once the sexual relationship is over between a couple that they must lose everything else that made up the relationship. I'm not saying everyone does this. I am happy to say its not. But how many times do we hear of couples reduced to fighting over the contents of their homes, money and children because of sexual indiscretion, because they promised what was impossible for them and the value of the currency of sex due to social /cultural/religious/ethnic programming was placed above everything else. It seems awfully shallow to throw everything away with a person who you professed to love. Isn't real love about giving freedom?

    Sex is not that important. I agree when you say trust is. But if you are honest and do not promise exclusivity in the first place - how have you broken that trust?

    onacruse - No I dont think that animalistic is the wrong word. I don't dispute it. I would say I am an animal when presented with the naked human form ocassionally, but also in different circumstances moved spiritually and emotionally. I'm sure you didnt mean to suggest we can only be one or the other? We have a multitude of facets to our personalities - these are what make up our different identities and make us so interesting. And however much we try to beautify it, sex is, at its base, part of an evolutionary process to ensure the survival of the human race and I'm not keen on overly romanticising it for every sexual transaction.

    Please again understand I do not for one moment thing those who have decades of happy married life are wrong or less than me. I do not. Perhaps I might even envy that. But I am not (so far) capable of committing to anyone for ever and ever. I made that mistake with baptism when I was 13 and I lost everything. Can you see why I would not want to make such a promise again or expect it of someone else, without the forgiveness clause in place in advance?

  • AuldSoul
    AuldSoul
    Crumpet: Isn't real love about giving freedom?

    In my opinion, love (in this context) is not just about giving freedom. Love is about decision, too. From my side, I give freedom. From my wife's side, she gives me freedom.

    My wife is free to have sex with whomever she likes. She chooses to have sex with me, exclusively. The same is true of me; I choose to have sex with only her. No one makes either of us choose this, we do so willingly. She has decided to reserve herself for me, and I have done likewise toward her.

    Love is also being able to count on intimacy (far beyond sex) with that person who claims to reserve intimacy for you.

    Crumpet: But if you are honest and do not promise exclusivity in the first place - how have you broken that trust?

    In that case, you have not broken trust because there never was trust. Intimacy, in such a circumstance, can never be very deep—as a protection against pain our brain's won't allow it. I call these shallow relationships.

    But then, I am ever a hopeful romantic.

    Respectfully,
    AuldSoul

  • J-ex-W
    J-ex-W

    I'm with Auldsoul on this one. And thank you, Auldsoul, for expressing it this way. I hadn't joined this thread because I was having a really hard time figuring out the way to respond. This hit the nail on the head squarely.

  • Crumpet
    Crumpet

    In that case, you have not broken trust because there never was trust. Intimacy, in such a circumstance, can never be very deep—as a protection against pain our brain's won't allow it. I call these shallow relationships.

    But then, I am ever a hopeful romantic.

    sweet post auld soul!

    I could not trust that deeply - I will always be slightly removed as I couldn't recover from a pain similar to that of losing the ones I trusted implicitly already. So in that sense you are right and I am shallow. I have chosen quantity over quality but simply to ensure I stay alive. Again obeying the baser instincts of survival.

    crumpet - without a romatic bone in her body. x

  • J-ex-W
    J-ex-W

    sweet post auld soul!

    I could not trust that deeply - I will always be slightly removed as I couldn't recover from a pain similar to that of losing the ones I trusted implicitly already. So in that sense you are right and I am shallow. I have chosen quantity over quality but simply to ensure I stay alive. Again obeying the baser instincts of survival.

    crumpet - without a romatic bone in her body. x

    (((((((((( Crumpet ))))))))) Sorry you're hurting, Sweetie.

    I was tempted, for a time, to adopt just this same self-saving (or, at least, as I thought of it) philosophy toward men and relationships, too. But after a time of further soul-searching, I decided I absolutely would NOT be able to be happy in a relationship withOUT that extra level of intimacy in whatever relationship I'm in...and without the secure trust that goes with it.

    I decided that I have those higher standards for my platonic female (and even male) friendships...the addition of sex to a [for me] male-female relationship should not change the level of intimacy that I want with my best friend--which is what I want, ultimately, my man to be.

    Like you, I enjoy--tremendously!!--all the pleasures and joys that the human body has to offer...I enjoy it as all the sweeter in context of a loving, commited, exclusively consensual connection.

    Here's hoping you get past the pain and move on to that extra level of exquisite sweetness!!

  • Crumpet
    Crumpet

    Thanks for your kind comments J-ex-W.

    The point is I am not hurting though, not anymore and I want to keep it that way and everything you just described in terms of intimacy is exactly what I had in my relationship. He was my best friend and still is. There was and is nothing I cannot confide in him. There are no taboos in conversation. We just both probably kept a little piece of heart in reserve for ourselves. I appreciate that we may be missing out on some extra deeper level, but there is a lot to be said for complete honesty - not pretending to please another person and the humour that comes with that. I have to say he will be a hard person to match or beat, and so I am thankful that we are still close as friends and that out of love we gave each other freedom to grow and explore other dimensions separately when external circumstances prevented us achieving our personal goals together. Love is not selfish and I feel that I have made the ultimate sacrifice for love in moving out.

    Anyway I seem to be moving off topic here - so I apologise!!

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