I Lost Everything Today

by compound complex 47 Replies latest jw friends

  • compound complex
    compound complex

    Dear Friends,

    I just received a call from a concerned JW friend about what is going on behind my back. A DFd friend whom I've been supporting through his mental distress and suicidal tendencies has done me a very strange turn. Information on JW mental illness and suicide that I've given him - for his own personal benefit and research - he has copied and distributed, putting on the envelope "To Br. & Sr. Witness from 'Coco'".
    I am shaking from grief and anxiety, not just for me, but for my poor, supportive family. My only association with JWs is through work, so all my efforts to plant seed and help my beloved friends and family will be for naught. I can deal with my own suffering, but my friends and family will be beside themselves with grief. A traitor in their midst. Talks at the KH about rampant apostasy. I am in no way in agreement with the behavior and antics of this friend - his rage against the local elders. Knowing him, he's going to do more of the same and sign my name to all of it. I am NOT sorry for helping a crazy person nor will I turn cowardly and back down. But my family??????
    Please respond --- I know the local JW community needs to know the "truth" --- but like this?

    Love,

    Coco

  • misanthropic
    misanthropic

    (((((CoCo))))) I don't know what to say, I'm very sorry to hear this. You are such kindhearted person, I'm just sad that your trying to help someone else has backfired this way.

  • AK - Jeff
    AK - Jeff

    Sorry to hear that. I hope you can minimize the damage.

    But mental illness is likely at the base of it all. Maybe he didn't even know how much pain he would cause - at least I hope he didn't.

    Let us know how it goes.

    Jeff

  • veradico
    veradico

    I think you should put this under "Friends" not "Entertainment." I'm so sorry. Just say this person made all this up. If you can stand it, I think it's more noble to stay in an authoritarian organization you don't believe in for the sake of your friends and family than to martyr yourself. If you are going to leave, make it be on your terms because you simply can't stand it anymore. Backing down and lying is not bad if the people who you are interacting with do not deserve the truth. To put it bluntly, lying is better than suicide, though both can have their place. I wish you all the best.

  • Abandoned
    Abandoned

    Hey buddy here's a ((((((((((((((((((((compound complex)))))))))))))))))))) for you and a quote:

    “Opportunity…often it comes in the form of misfortune, or temporary defeat.” - Napoleon Hill

  • compound complex
    compound complex

    Thank you, dear friends, for your kind words --- how do I put this under "Friends"? I was put off by "Entertainment."

    Thanx,

    Coco

  • Mary
    Mary
    A DFd friend whom I've been supporting through his mental distress and suicidal tendancies has done me a very strange turn. Information on JW mental illness and suicide that I've given him - for his own personal benefit and research - he has copied and distributed, putting on the envelope "To Br. & Sr. Witness from 'Coco'".

    CC, take a deep breath. If you don't want to get the axe, just deny everything. If this person is this mentally off the wall with suicidal tendancies, it wouldn't take much to convince the elders that he made the whole thing up and is trying to blame you.

  • exwitless
    exwitless

    CoCo - I feel for you. How awful to be caught in the middle of something like this. However, it is very possible that your friends and family will see through this "friend" of yours and take into account that he has "mental distress and suicidal tendencies". If it can at all be traced back to him, they'll see it. If they don't, they are unfortunately victims of the WT's mind control, and you alone can't fix that. Don't let anyone pressure you into "confessing" anything or "admitting" any wrongdoing. Stand strong and hang in there.

  • What-A-Coincidence
    What-A-Coincidence

    Chapter 30 from this pub may help: http://www.mediafire.com/?72jcqzgztye

    How to Stop a Rumour Before Your
    Reputation Pays a Price

    Would you like to defend yourself without getting defensive?
    Would you like to turn around false accusations and use
    them to your advantage? Now you'll be able to stop a rumour
    dead in its tracks, and gain leverage with this sure-fire
    psychological tactic.

    Rumours thrive in secrecy and anonymity. This means that
    gossip survives because by its very nature it's told in "secrecy."
    If you expose the source then the well dries up. The gossiper,
    in most cases, is not likely to spread rumours once she is
    exposed.

    This study illustrates the effectiveness of this tactic—how
    physical anonymity lessens inhibitions. Zimbardo (1970)
    dressed New York University women all in white coats and
    hoods. They were asked to give "electric shocks" to a woman.
    (Of course the shocks weren't real, but the participants
    believed that they were.) They pressed the shock button twice
    as long as did another group of women who were not
    masked and were wearing clearly visible name tags.
    It's also easier to do harm to those whom we do not see as
    real people, and to those whom we do not physically see as
    well. In war, dropping a bomb on a city can carry less
    psychological trauma for a pilot than shooting a single man at
    point-blank range can carry for a soldier. Several parallel
    experiments show us just this: When we are removed from
    the person—when we do not see him and he is far away,
    physically—we are more willing to inflict physical pain. This
    also holds true for inflicting psychological pain, as in the case of
    making slanderous statements. Notice that there are two
    separate psychological criteria. One is that of sight—can we
    see this person—and second is that of proximity—how near is
    this person physically to us.

    These studies, and many like it, depict three separate
    strategies for halting gossip. First, go to the source or to
    anyone responsible for the rumours and identify that person.
    Let her know you are aware of who she is and what she is
    doing. Second, you want to humanize yourself to this person
    as well. Let her know that there is a real person behind the
    rumours. Third, do this in person, when at all possible. The
    actual proximity—the closeness—makes a big difference.

    Okay, so this works fine when you know the source, but what
    if you don't? What if there's just some rumour floating around
    and you don't know how it got started or by whom? Or for that
    matter, what if you do know the person and she just doesn't
    care about what she's doing to you and the damage done to
    your reputation by these rumours? For these instances, the
    following psychological strategy is an incredibly effective
    method of damage control.

    There are essentially two characteristics of a rumour that
    dictate whether or not it spreads like wildfire or simply fizzles
    out. The reason rumours spread is that they are interesting
    and that they sound believable. It's been said that a partial
    truth is more dangerous than a total lie. That is because
    nobody gossips about what is obviously false and blatantly
    stupid, but with a grain of truth, it becomes plausible and that
    is what makes it interesting to talk about it.

    But you can use this to your advantage. Instead of trying to
    deny, defend, or minimize the rumour, which can make
    people believe it more, simply spread a more outrageous
    rumour that overshadows that one, but incorporates it as well.
    For instance, let's say that a rumour going around is that
    you've been stealing from the company. Denying it can just
    make you "appear" guilty. Instead, you should spread the
    rumour that you used the "stolen money" to support your
    thirty-six adopted children or you used it to buy a seat on the
    space shuttle. Now this newer more salacious rumour is
    harder to believe and casts doubt about the accuracy of any
    of it. Most people will dismiss it as false if it doesn't sound
    plausible. They would have no reason to pick it apart to find
    the grains of truth if the whole thing just sounds made up. This
    is because rumours are seen in black and white as either true
    or false. Since there is rarely material evidence in a rumour,
    each person decides whether or not it makes sense. So the
    more outrageous it is the less sense it makes and the less
    interesting it actually becomes. The rumour gets diluted in
    a stream of obvious untruths, buried under an avalanche of
    nonsense. Nobody knows what to believe about whom.
    So if going to the source doesn't work, simply extend the
    current rumour to include completely outrageous information
    and the whole thing will just be seen as silly.

  • restrangled
    restrangled

    ((((CoCo)))))!!!!!!

    What a terrible turn of events. Mary's advice was excellent:

    CC, take a deep breath. If you don't want to get the axe, just deny everything. If this person is this mentally off the wall with suicidal tendancies, it wouldn't take much to convince the elders that he made the whole thing up and is trying to blame you.

    The entire congregation must know he is mentally ill and if there is a question at all about your talking to him you can say he was threatening suicide, what were you suppose to do?

    Please take care and if you need anything please let us know and I would be happy to do as you suggested in your PM if things go badly. I don't think you have much to worry about though. They can even compare handwriting if he is trying to sign your name to things.

    Please keep us up to date!

    r.

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