New Light at DC?

by zack 36 Replies latest jw friends

  • sir82
    sir82

    I can imagine them making the changes you note, but it would never ever ever be at a District Convention.

    The Society is all about information control. What happens if they make such an announcement at a DC in June, and 95% of the US Witnesses, and 100% of the Southern Hemisphere JWs, have not had their DC yet? The info would spread like wildfire thru e-mails (such as the "Matt. 24:14 ais already fulfilled" fiasco). Before 2 weeks were up, the story would be completely distorted and the Society would be fielding 1000 phone calls a day asking about it - they don't want to deal with that.

    If there is a change like that to be made, it will be in a Watchtower article, where 99.9% of the JWs get the same information at the same time (the 0.01% would be the more obscure language groups - and they are not likely to have internet access anyway).

  • I quit!
    I quit!

    As the number of the spirit-anointed remnant on earth has decreased, mature brothers of the great crowd have been given spiritual oversight of almost all the congregations worldwide. And as the last aged anointed Witnesses finish their earthly course, princely sa·rim´ of the other sheep will have been well trained to carry out administrative duties as the chieftain class on earth.—Ezekiel 44:3; Isaiah 32:1.

  • zack
    zack

    Most WT study articles are District Convention talks. The change in Generations and Seperation of the SHeep, etc.... all were DC talks. They were

    then studied at the congo. level as a WT Study article. This is part of the indoctrination. Say it ALL in the summer, study it all during the next year.

  • Justitia Themis
    Justitia Themis

    I have been floating the concept of the Nethinim taking over and no anointed on the earth to various hard core JWs. If this is their plan, the WTBTS may have a harder time convincing people of this than they expect. Most people countered that this is an impossibility since Revelation clearly states that the four winds are being held back specifically to allow for the sealing of the anointed. And, one person referenced that Gog of Magog must make his attack against the anointed.

    While it solves some problems, it only creates others.

  • I quit!
    I quit!

    How'd that happen? Anyway my above post I copied from Blondie's post quoting the WT. It is such a crock. I had two of these people in my congregtion that claim to be annointed. Never once did they Watchtower go to them to get advice. They didn't write any articles for the publications and never worked on Watchtower policies. They don't need to replace these annointed ones when they die because they never used them.

  • avidbiblereader
    avidbiblereader

    My thoughts on it

    1 Pet 1:12 12 They were told that their messages were not for themselves, but for you. And now this Good News has been announced to you by those who preached in the power of the Holy Spirit sent from heaven. It is all so wonderful that even the angels are eagerly watching these things happen.

    1 Cor 4:6 6 Now, brothers, these things I have transferred so as to apply to myself and A·pol´los for YOUR good, that in our case YOU may learn the [rule]: “Do not go beyond the things that are written,” in order that YOU may not be puffed up individually in favor of the one against the other.

    Matt 24:36 36 “However, no one knows the day or hour when these things will happen, not even the angels in heaven or the Son himself. [ k ] Only the Father knows.

    1 Tim 1:3-8 3 Just as I encouraged you to stay in Eph´e·sus when I was about to go my way into Mac·e·do´ni·a, so I do now, that you might command certain ones not to teach different doctrine, 4 nor to pay attention to false stories and to genealogies, which end up in nothing, but which furnish questions for research rather than a dispensing of anything by God in connection with faith. 5 Really the objective of this mandate is love out of a clean heart and out of a good conscience and out of faith without hypocrisy. 6 By deviating from these things certain ones have been turned aside into idle talk, 7 wanting to be teachers of law, but not perceiving either the things they are saying or the things about which they are making strong assertions

    abr

  • Elsewhere
    Elsewhere

    I have been floating the concept of the Nethinim taking over and no anointed on the earth to various hard core JWs. If this is their plan, the WTBTS may have a harder time convincing people of this than they expect. Most people countered that this is an impossibility since Revelation clearly states that the four winds are being held back specifically to allow for the sealing of the anointed. And, one person referenced that Gog of Magog must make his attack against the anointed.

    While it solves some problems, it only creates others.

    I was wondering the same thing... there are too many JW teachings about the anointed being present when Armageddon begins.

  • MidwichCuckoo
    MidwichCuckoo

    According to WT teachings, as I recall there should be Annointed on Earth at the time of the End.

    And I know I've asked this before, but, where in the Bible are the Nethinim? And where does it say they're the 'Annointeds' Little Helpers'? I'd never heard of them in my Dub-Days.

  • dmouse
    dmouse

    Ah yes but, don't forget the 'noo lite' from the later Watchtower, January 1st 2007, 'The First Resurrection - Now Under Way'

    paragraph 13:

    Paul wrote: "We the living who survive to the presence of the Lord [not to the end of his presence] shall in no way precede those who have fallen asleep in death.."

    Paragraph 18:

    "Will all the anointed receive their heavenly reward before the war of Armageddon?

    We do not know...."

  • truthseeker
    truthseeker

    http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/6/10925/1.ashx

    Barbara Anderson - comments on Nephinim doctine

    I would like to share some insight about the now infamous statement in the Watchtower 1/1/89, p. 12, end of par. 8: "The apostle Paul was spearheading the Christian missionary activity. He was also laying a foundation for a work that would be completed in our 20th century."

    Such information is be considered by all to be the "food at the proper time" dispensed by the faithful and discreet slave. Now that we are in the year 2001 it is seen to be patently ridiculous, of course.

    This statement got its human author into a heap of trouble. This is the same writer who was responsible for the ridiculous Nethinim "given ones" article in the W 4/15/92, and Questions From Readers, Watchtower of June 15, and the Oct. 15, 2000 purposely misleading directives on blood. By the way, everybody in the Writing Department knows who he is.

    The Governing Body had vowed never to use dates for the "end" again after the 1975 fiasco, and here was another statement making only more trouble for them to deal with. Many people were phoning and writing the Society. You will notice in the Watchtower bound volume for that year, as one poster pointed out, the statement was changed to "He was also laying a foundation for a work that would be completed in our day."

    Why the blatant change? Because they couldn't allow the original statement to add even more to their reputation as "false prophets" when it comes to date-setting. This crackpot writer really got read the riot act because of his prophetic insightful words.

    Some of you might wonder how the gaffe slipped by the editors of the Watchtower. Well, Governing Body members Brothers Barry, Barr, and Kline were old, tired men, some of whom suffered exhaustion and jet lag from many zone trips, etc. It was no wonder as they quickly read through drafts of articles that such problematic statements could be missed.

    Only Barry was college educated O so long ago, and he was ill and exhausted most of the time. His mind was divided between putting out fires that were flaring up here and there within the earthly Kingdom he and his fellow GB members ruled, getting through his daily routine and assignments, moving from his room when the walls needed washing, etc. So the poor man couldn't help but be under pressure. (Once he told me he couldn't wipe the supper dishes and the counter to his wife's satisfaction.) Unquestionably, if articles passed through the anointed hands of these three men without red marks, they easily passed editors next in line pro forma. When the "20th century" statement passed without being red marked by the three GB members, all the other readers in the Writing Department, including the proofreaders, accepted that it was okay to state "in our 20th century."

    After egregious blunders like this, the idea of assistants to the GB in Writing who would do the editing work for the GB sounded like an excellent idea. As to the unfortunate writer, to any reasonable person it would seem that someone would be removed from his position who came up with such "new light" (Nethinim, the teaching that was a hoax), and seemingly highly educated medical information on blood ("four components"), which in reality showed the height of ignorance.

    That, however, was not to be so at the top of "God's organization," where blockheads are never in short supply. Remember, a person makes it to the top not because of education or intelligence, but because of one’s obedience and loyalty--and don't forget "seniority" or partiality to the "good ole boy" network. Our particular writer under discussion has been in Bethel since the 50’s and was famous for his insidious, obsequious behavior (brown-nosing, to be blunt). In fact, he was rewarded for his blunders by being made one of the assistants to the GB.

    Stay at Bethel long enough and you're sure to be a big cheese some day. It also helps if you know somebody. There are exceptions to the rule, of course. That's so particularly in the technical area. It doesn't take long to be moved to a really important department if you have needed skills, but that doesn't mean you will be an overseer.

    Overseers are usually men who are unskilled, but they lord it over the people in their departments who have the skills. Overseers are in their position mainly for showing obedience to organization rules. Writers in Bethel, with but a few exceptions, are not trained nor especially gifted. If you can write material a twelve-year-old can understand, you can be a writer; that is, if chance and circumstance have anything to do with it.
    Now maybe you, dear reader, can understand why all the contradictions, changes, blunders, and drivel that appear in the Society's literature. This doesn't mean that all articles appearing in the magazines are written by inept people. Some senior writers are excellent writers, but they can not express any new and different ideas, only the party line.

    Pedantic or precise people quickly learn the art of being non-controversial. Also, senior writers can accept and put through under their own name, very interesting and well written articles from certain people who are not in Bethel. Would the above be considered "new light" or maybe "present light" as C.T. Russell liked to call his cornucopia of non-inspired writings? I hope so.

    Money is not what drives men at Bethel, so what does?

    It's the three P’s: Power, Pride, and Position.

    What drives women in Bethel? For sure it's not the three P’s.
    It's called survival of the fittest!

    Barbara

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