What Will The Future Bring? ......fishy?

by *jeremiah* 19 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

  • OnTheWayOut

    They are starting to think like the Catholic Church- long term goals.

    They can see the writing on the wall for their current growth or lack thereof.
    They can see how governments around the world hate them. They expect more
    lawsuits and negative publicity. The Governing Body members know that they
    are capable of anything within a two-thirds majority's grasp. Many are probably
    thinking about mainstreaming after the oldest faithful die off. They are also doing
    it in babysteps. They have to overcome the oracle days of F. Franz.

    They already found themselves agreeing with the UN on many matters in the pages
    of Awake! and WT. Just keep going. They are already known for showing up after
    disasters to aid their own and a few others. The UN should like that. They will
    probably continue printing articles on being good tax-paying citizens, supporting
    efforts to improve schools / neighborhoods. Babysteps toward voting and serving in
    the military.

    I love to talk about the fall of the tower, but truth be told, I see them morphing into
    something else. Either mainstream religion or just a regular printing company that
    pays the taxes. They are more likely to mainstream.

  • *jeremiah*

    I agree, the fall will be more of a metamorphosis into more mainstream religion. New light I'm sure will aid the transformation. The "mainstream" at that time, i think, will be a one world religion, like, as you alluded to, the Catholic Church is spearheading.

    The whole grandiose goal of the new world order is to eventually have a man-made paradise earth. An earthly kingdom, if you will. A global society free of overpopulation, disease, war, famine, corruption, borders, nationalism, homelessness, etc.etc. Anyways the laundry list goes on and on. Yet, my point is that the WT constantly teaches, you know, an end to this and an end to that, very similar things that the global agenda is working towards.

    I think were on the same page WayOut, and the future direction of the WT literature should be an interesting one to watch.

  • OnTheWayOut

    I remember learning (granted, from JW sources) that the Old Testament kept promising a Messiah to the Jews. Their current teachings seem to be more focused on the land of Israel being the promised land, and nothing about a Messiah showing up. That's oversimplification, but I think most religions change over time to reflect what the people want. Cults don't really care what the people want, but eventually, the leaders are not the whacko cult leaders. The new leaders recognize the only way to keep making money is to adapt. i don't hear about a bunch of churches constantly preaching fire and brimstone, rather now it's positive stuff. Many fundamentalists belong to mainstream religion now. The television evangelizers seem pretty mainstream now. You mentioned the Pope meeting with Muslims. Most Americans (and Europeans, I believe) that do attend church occasionally, don't really seem to care WHICH church. Only regular visiting members seem to have their preferences. They are all getting mainstream.

    Don't flame my statements of opinion. They are generalizations and oversimplifications of a complex issue, but they are trends I noticed. The WTS will probably become just like that.

  • compound complex
    compound complex

    Hello Jeremiah,

    I have nothing new or different to add, only an affirmation of OTWO's crisp and orderly evaluation of the WTBTS's split personality: religious/secular. I have been studying this issue for some time now and IT APPEARS that "she"---the WT---needs desperately to use the world to the full for her self-preservation. The Org is "living" a double life. She is endeavoring to juggle the socio-political agenda (verboten for the R&F in any aspect) with the Society's unyielding legacy of absolute fundamentalism, as it were. Saving face. There are many indicators of outside influence coming to bear upon the pseudo-spiritual realm of Jehovah's Witnesses. Some are verifiable, some strongly suggestive, but perhaps bordering upon that dread subject of conspiratorial theory.

    I grew up by the sea and have always loved the marine smells, including the pungent aroma of newly-caught fish. This "fishy" odor, however, is of an entirely different sort. I do not like it.

    Out of the drink,


  • *jeremiah*

    WayOut and Comp,

    The Org is "living" a double life

    Most definitely. So keep me up to date on your studies, findings, etc, in regards to these issues. If you don't mind that is.

  • compound complex
    compound complex

    Greetings Jeremiah,

    Thank you for the invitation to return! I hope more will add to this thought-provoking thread. I'm sorry that I didn't mention in my first post how much my thinking has been stimulated by your own commentary. Hoping to return soon, if you don't mind, of course!

    By the Sea,


  • Woodsman

    I think you guys are on track with the WTS getting more mainstream. I saw it on the organization level when I questioned them about the UN involvement and they told me that the UN is doing a good work in the world. Many new articles are favorable towards the worlds efforts to make the world a better place.

    I see it on a personal level in the way modern JWs carry on their lives. They watch the same shows and movies, get drunk, drink and drive, commit adultery, seek riches, go to college,have political opinions, express national loyalties, swear, flirt, etc, etc,etc.

    I think it is good that they are just like everybody else, (except for DWI and adultery). I'm just waitng for them to admit it.

    On globalization, the WTS is actually ahead of the world. They have, for a long time, given less importance to national borders and more to their people. Corporations are now doing the same and the world will follow.

  • jgnat

    I want the current issue of the Watchtower publication that included a DATE. I'll believe it when I see it.

  • *jeremiah*

    Speaking of the Wt's double life: 'The Problem with Children-The Solutions at Last'

    Here are some very pro UN or pro World Order articles that can be found on the front page of the JW website. On the right side under More Topics you will find this series of articles. What's interesting is how vague "The Solution at Last!" is. They praise the UN and other world body efforts in helping children through most of the meat of the articles. Then after many pages of this we finally get to The Solution. Woooo-Hoooo.

    Here's the excerpt:

    A Divine Government to Provide the Complete Solution

    The writer John Ruskin, mentioned in the preceding article, strongly believed that "the first duty of a State is to see that every child born therein shall be well housed, clothed, fed, and educated, till it attain years of discretion." Ruskin admitted, however, that "in order to [effect] this the Government must have an authority over the people of which we now do not so much as dream."

    Only a government with divine backing could have the benign authority about which Ruskin spoke. And just such a government has been promised—the one that Jesus mentioned at Matthew 6:9, 10 . Once this government of God's making has taken total control of earth's affairs, it will exercise its authority over all peoples—housing, clothing, feeding, and educating all its subjects, including children. ( Isaiah 65:17-25 ) But this perfect government will do even more.

    Under God's Kingdom humans will be enabled to rear children in a balanced way. ( Job 33:24-26 ) Young folks will be raised in the spirit of peace and universal brotherhood, the ideal set forth in the UN Declaration of the Rights of the Child. ( Psalm 46:8, 9 ) Never again will there be the need for an International Year of the Child or for a Convention on the Rights of the Child.

    Restoring perfect health to parents and to disabled children will be a simple task for Christ Jesus, the King of this heavenly government. The miracles of healing that he performed while he was on the earth are a guarantee. ( Luke 6:17-19 ; John 5:3-9 ; 9:1-7 ) Even resurrecting dead children and dead parents will not be beyond his power to accomplish!— Matthew 9:18-25 .

    What a joy to know that the time for God to act in behalf of earth's children is near!

    -Notice the quote from the Ruskin, " "in order to [effect] this the Government must have an authority over the people of which we now do not so much as dream.

    The UN Declaration
    of the Rights of the Child:
    • The right to a name and nationality.
    • The right to affection, love, and understanding and to material security.
    • The right to adequate nutrition, housing, and medical services.
    • The right to special care if disabled, be it physically, mentally, or socially.
    • The right to be among the first to receive protection and relief in all circumstances.
    • The right to be protected against all forms of neglect, cruelty, and exploitation.
    • The right to full opportunity for play and recreation and equal opportunity to free and compulsory education, to enable the child to develop his individual abilities and to become a useful member of society.
    • The right to develop his full potential in conditions of freedom and dignity.
    • The right to be brought up in a spirit of understanding, tolerance, friendship among peoples, peace, and universal brotherhood.
    • The right to enjoy these rights regardless of race, color, sex, religion, political or other opinion, national or social origin, and property, birth, or other status.

    Ok. So this UN Declaration was the last thing in the article.

    Is the WT ultimately grandfathering its members over to accept the Anti-Christ and the New World Order?

    I think so.

  • tetrapod.sapien

    i find it fascinating how the WTS stresses the past and the future so much, but never the present moment. but this is how they keep things in order. the past = guilt. the future = fear. and their little minds are gripped with both.


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