WTC Eight Black Boxes Dedtroyed

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  • Satanus
    Satanus

    Did this come out in the popluar news? It's from:

    http://www.rense.com/general13/strangecase.htm

    S

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    Strange Case Of The Black Box
    And The Indestructible Passport
    By Sam Yousef
    [email protected]
    9-21-1

    The Black Box and the Indestructible Passport

    All four Black Boxes were supposedly destroyed and rendered unusable in spite of the fact that they are designed specifically for plane crashes which result in insurmountable conditions...yet one of the hijackers passports supposedly survives fire and heat of over 1,000 degrees fahrenheit and is found in perfect shape in the rubble around the WTC towers? What kind of idiots does the FBI take us for?

    How indestructible are the so-called "Black Boxes"?

    Each airplane is equipped with a Flight Data Recorder and a Cockpit Voice Recorded. The term "Black Box" is used for these pieces of equipment. The National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB) web site gives valuable information regarding these devices.

    Regarding the Cockpit Voice Recorder it says:

    "The CVR records the flight crew's voices, as well as other sounds inside the cockpit. The recorder's "cockpit area microphone" is usually located on the overhead instrument panel between the two pilots. Sounds of interest to an investigator could be engine noise, stall warnings, landing gear extension and retraction, and other clicks and pops. From these sounds, parameters such as engine rpm, system failures, speed, and the time at which certain events occur can often be determined. Communications with Air Traffic Control, automated radio weather briefings, and conversation between the pilots and ground or cabin crew are also recorded." [NTSB web site]

    Regarding the Flight Data Recorder it says:

    "The FDR onboard the aircraft records many different operating conditions of the flight. By regulation, newly manufactured aircraft must monitor at least twenty eight important parameters such as time, altitude, airspeed, heading, and aircraft attitude. In addition, some FDRs can record the status of more than 300 other in-flight characteristics that can aid in the investigation. The items monitored can be anything from flap position to auto-pilot mode or even smoke alarms." [NTSB web site]

    Thus as we see each plane is equipped with two seperate "Black Box" devices which relay different yet complimentary information. It goes on to say:

    "Both the Flight Data Recorder and the Cockpit Voice Recorder have proven to be valuable tools in the accident investigation process. They can provide information THAT MAY BE DIFFICULT TO OBTAIN BY OTHER MEANS." [NTSB web site]

    They are meant to be the hardy and sure way to get information regarding the last minutes before the plane went down. Here are the specifications of these devices including what they can withstand:

    FLIGHT DATA RECORDER

    Time recorded: 25 hour continuous Number of parameters: 5 - 300+ Impact tolerance: 3400Gs /6.5ms Fire resistance: 1100 degC/30 min Water pressure resistance: submerged 20,000 ft Underwater locator beacon: 37.5 KHz Battery: 6yr shelf life 30 day operation

    COCKPIT VOICE RECORDER

    Time recorded: 30 min continuous, 2 hours for solid state digital units Number of channels: 4 Impact tolerance: 3400 Gs /6.5ms Fire resistance: 1100 deg C /30 min Water pressure resistance: submerged 20,000 ft Underwater locator beacon: 37.5 KHz Battery: 6yr shelf life 30 day operation

    These specifications indicate equipment which can survive just about any conditions and any crash. Indeed, Black Boxes have been recovered from crashes in swamps, mountains, and oceans.

    ABC News reports:

    "Although investigators look for an entire black box, sometimes the only parts of the device that survive are the recorder's crash-survivable memory units (CSMU). THE CSMU IS ALMOST INDESTRUCTABLE. It is housed within a stainless-steel shell that contains titanium or aluminum and a high-temperature insulation of dry silica material."

    "It is designed to withstand HEAT OF UP TO 2,000 DEGREES FAHRENHEIT FOR ONE HOUR, salt water for at least 30 days, immersion in a variety of liquids such as jet fuel and lubricants, AND AN IMPACT OF 3,400 G's. By comparison, astronauts are typically exposed to up to six Gs during a shuttle takeoff." [ABCNews]

    So the Black Box is designed to withstand an impact of 3,400 G's. So what about the Pennsylvania crash site?

    "THE VOICE RECORDER WAS SAID TO BE HEAVILY DAMAGED, and the manufacturer was being asked to help with further analysis. The plane that crashed in Pennsylvania was reported to have hit the ground in excess of 500 MILES PER HOUR." [ABCN ews]

    The plane hit the ground at 500 mph. Taking the weight of the plane, its speed of descent, the G's end up much, much lower than 3,400.

    Since each plane has two seperate Black Boxes which are designed to be indestructable in the event of a tragedy, that makes a total of EIGHT BLACK BOXES. If we are to believe that all the Black Boxes were damaged beyond use, then that is to say EIGHT BLACK BOXES in total were destroyed, while a measley paper passport survived.

    Then the final paragraph of the same article says: "Investigators are less confident they will recover the black boxes buried underneath the rubble of the World Trade Center." So there is no hope of recovering the virtually indestructable Black Box from the rubble, but a paper passport survives in such a perfect state that it is "a significant piece of evidence"?

    CNN reports one of the hijackers passports was found in the rubble of the World Trade Center vicinity:

    "The searchers found several clues, he said, but would not elaborate. Last week, a passport belonging to one of the hijackers was found in the vicinity of Vesey Street, near the World Trade Center. 'It was a significant piece of evidence for us,' Mawn said." [ CNN]

    Also CNN reports:

    "In New York, several blocks from the ruins of the World Trade Center, a passport authorities said belonged to one of the hijackers was discovered a few days ago, according to city Police Commissioner Bernard Kerik." [CNN ]

    Aside from the idiocy of any suggestion that a passport would survive a plane crash that is allegedly so severe it destroys the virtually indestructable Black Box, we are also led to believe that the passport "flew away", out of the hijackers pocket, down a few blocks from the WTC grounds. Why a few blocks away? Could it be because it was a place out of everyone's sight?

    It is also well known that paper was strewn all over the scene of the plane crash. This was due to the sudden shattering of the windows which would immediately eject all paper materials out of the building before incineration. A passport in someone's pocket who is sitting on a plane that explodes will suffer the same fate as the person whose pocket it is in, and the plane they are sitting in: absolute cremation.

    United Airlines flight 93 crashed into a field in Pennsylvania. There was no explosion and no impact into a building and no 100+ story towers crashed down on top of it. Yet, we are led to believe that both of its Black Boxes were destroyed and/or damaged beyond use as well.

    Other airline tragedies also reveal that in each and every case the Black Box is recovered, albeit damaged, but with full usability. Such crashes include EgyptAir flight 990, a 767, and TWA flight 800, a 747. Both crashes resulted in tremendous compromise of the planes physical integrity, but in spite of this the Cockpit Voice Recorders were recovered.

    So we have established that the survival of a passport of someone in an exploded plane is lunacy. However, for the sake of argument lets say the passport survived. If the passport did indeed survive then so did the Black Box. If the Black Box did indeed survive as we have proven beyond a shred of doubt, then why the complete and utter lie that it was damaged beyond use? What are they hiding? This will be dealt with irrefutably in the next section of this analysis into the corruption which has seeped into the U.S. government, its foreign policy and its intelligence services.

    This analysis has just begun, yet any sound minded person is already forced to question the validity of this entire farce. I intend to dismantle this investigation piece by piece as time allows. If the American people are so concerned with finding justice, why aren't more exposing these inconsistencies, fabrications and outright lies as I have? Do we Americans want JUSTICE SERVED or do we want MORE BLOOD of innocent civilians? Thus far, in the United States of America, due to the anger over the tragedy dubbed "PENTTBOM", there have been at least three homicidal attacks against immigrants. Now an overwhelming 80% of them are supporting an invasion into a remote country that has absolutely nothing to do with this tragedy. Instead of using their heads to get to the bottom of this and prosecute the criminals behind this act, they are killing their neighbors, and laying the heads of good American soldiers and innocent Afghan women and children on the chopping block. I say "them" at this point and not "us", because I distance myself from those who commit hate crimes in the name of "America" whom I have just described. Someone is playing a very sick game upon us all right under our noses, and it will cost us our very lives if we do not STOP them.

    ABC News reports: "...And 69 percent say they'd support military action even if it means a long war with substantial U.S. military casualties."

    You want "substantial U.S. military casualties"? What the hell is wrong with everyone? The Afghans have never lost a war in 800 years. They not only drove the Russians out of their country but it lead to the dissolution of the Soviet Empire. They have brought empire after empire to their knees. In a CNN interview with Jill Dougherty, Leo Korolkov who trained the Russian Special Forces (equivalent of our Delta Force) said he saw Afghans shot to ribbons and ripped to pieces still charging at them. In his words: "These fighters can bring any country, even a superpower -- be it Russia, the United States or Europe -- to the brink of catastrophe."

    Nearly 70 percent of Americans support sacrificing more American lives to invade a country that couldn't be further removed from any responsibility in this tragedy to find ONE MAN before this circus of an investigation has even been completed. Have we learned nothing from the plumes of terror that rose from the ashes of the World Trade Center, the Pentagon, and a morose field in Pennsylvania which shook our hearts and souls that fateful Tuesday? I fear that we have not.

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  • Satanus
    Satanus

    Ooops. I got a typing booboo.

    The interesting point here, i thought was the 4 boxes.

    S

  • Seeker
    Seeker

    Some thoughts:

    I'm as willing as anyone to suspect a cover-up. But this article goes over the top. For one thing, it would be shocking if they even FOUND the black boxes at the WTC yet. With the amount of rubble involved, it may take some time.

    However, I will grant that if they find all the boxes, and they can't get data from any of them, the fix is in. But from doing some research, it seems they ARE able to read some of the boxes that have been found, at least the flight data recorders if not the voice recorders. I've included the URLs below of what I found. So I think this article was a bit too quick to assume conspiracy. Time will tell, but it's early yet.

    http://www.hindustantimes.com/nonfram/210901/dlfor16.asp

    http://www.cnn.com/2001/US/09/18/inv.investigation.terrorism/index.html

    http://www.nytimes.com/2001/09/21/nyregion/21CND-RESC.html?searchpv=nytToday

    http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/national/AP-Attacks-Safety-Board.html?searchpv=aponline

  • Satanus
    Satanus

    Good point seeker, it's still too soon for final results.

    S

  • heathen
    heathen

    although I think that 40 tons of jet fuel could pretty much blow
    up anything that was a very good point on where this pass port
    thing is possible .I also agree with you on the pensylvania flight
    there should have been a box to recover.As far as this operation
    infinite justice the US is no doubt wanting some payback from these
    organized terrorist groups that are training people to target US
    property and civilians .I also agree that all out war in east asia
    could result in humiliation and the loss of inocent civilian lives
    but the US is apparently calloused to the civilian casualties it is
    responsible for.One thing these terrorist love to do is use civilian
    tragedy as fuel for thier sick plans of some kind of holy war .Apparently the US is also concerned with its diplomatic ties
    to muslim based countries over oil.If they rock the boat to hard
    it could lead to further economic and energy problems much like
    a domino effect .I personally don't expect the US and its allies to
    rid the world of terrorism there are just way too many fanatical impoverished nations in the world ,with all thier wheeling and dealing
    they couldn't overthrow castro ,sadam housien is still a threat after
    10 years of non stop bombing and UN sanctions.You did bring up some good points and questions.YOu can bet the soccer moms are totally clueless to the cause and effect of the events that are taking place.
    We just have to be careful not to let this swell of patriotism blind
    our reasoning.

  • Tatiana
    Tatiana

    heathen says....

    You can bet the soccer moms are totally clueless to the cause and effect of the events that are taking place.

    That's insulting....

    April

    "Love never dies." Voivodul Vlad Draculea (from Bram Stoker's Dracula-1992)

  • Satanus
    Satanus

    heathen

    Time will tell if this report is premature. The first casualty of war is truth. Although there are already too many human casualties.

    Govt and army officials in both turkey and russia have advised the US not to fight a regular war in afganastan. Turkey has volunteered to help with intelligence, as it still has connections with opposition groups in afganastan.

    Apparently, Britain and the us are planning a totally unconventional approach.

    I wonder which public relations firm is the gov't using this time?

    Any more thoughts, anyone?

    S

  • Thirdson
    Thirdson

    The importance of the evidence from the flight recorders is no where near as high in this case as that of a crash due to unknown causes. In these cases it is known that the planes were deliberately crashed. Settings of control surfaces, engine speed, aircraft speed and direction of flight are not that useful since some of the the planes were filmed and pretty much is known (at least in three cases) of how the planes crashed.

    Cockpit voice recorders may be of some greater importance and I guess the exact contents (from the ones found) won't be released that quickly. Even so, these are records of a crime not a record of two pilots struggling to cope with mechanical failure.

    The fact that not much has been released and that the "black boxes" have not been found at the WTC site should not be seen as a cover-up...at least not in my opinion.

    Thirdson

    'To avoid criticism, say nothing, do nothing, be nothing'

  • teejay
    teejay

    Saint,

    From a conspiratorial perspective, the passport found in pristine condition? I understand that.

    But what is to be gained from covering up information from the black boxes, if they HAVE been found and their contents extracted?

    tj

  • Satanus
    Satanus

    TJ

    It depends on what they are covering up.

    From the view the public gets there should be nothing to cover. If this news article turns out to be acurate, it indicates something serious is being covered up. The point is, why would there be anything to coverup? If they are, something stinky went on. Something with a big stink. Some of the smell will get out and sharp nosed ones will no doubt pick it up. One just needs to wait and listen, but not to tv and radio.

    Hill and knowlton was the public relations firm used for desert storm by dublya's father. Which one has dublya hired for this one?

    S

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