Yeah well! That's what global warming will do to all of us! So keep apostasising brothers and sisters!
Will apostates burn in Gehenna???
by kid-A 33 Replies latest jw friends
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Mary
Amazing said: However, even a member of the 144,000 can return after leaving for reasons of apostasy or immorality. The August 1976 Watchtower, Questions from Readers, settled that issue. Many JWs use to believe that if one of the 144,000 was merely disfellowshiped for ordinary reasons that they have sinned against the Holy Spirit. However, the article completely dispells that notion.
Where are you reading from? I looked up Questions from Readers in both the August 1st and 15th, 1976 and in neither articles is this mentioned. The August 1st Question is about enbalming and the 15th is talking about the Last Days and the Widow's Mite.
Everything that I have read so far, indicates that the WTS does not believe it's possible for someone of the 144,000 who's turned "apostate" to repent:
*** w87 7/1 pp. 22-23 Divine Blessings for "the Ones Having Insight" ***
not all those who accept the invitation to be part of that Kingdom class stay faithful. Some let their faith weaken and they fail to endure. (Hebrews 2:1) A few even become apostate and have to be removed from the Christian congregation. (Matthew 13:41, 42) Such ones are described by Jesus as "that evil slave" whom the Master punishes "with the greatest severity," assigning him with the hypocrites. "There is where his weeping and the gnashing of his teeth will be."—Matthew 24:48-51; Ephesians 4:18; 5:6-8.
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What a tragedy, to accept the highest privilege ever offered to imperfect humans and then to turn against it! Of those who act in this way, the apostle Paul said: "It is impossible as regards those who have once for all been enlightened, and who have tasted the heavenly free gift, and who have become partakers of holy spirit, and who have tasted the fine word of God and powers of the coming system of things, but who have fallen away, to revive them again to repentance, because they impale the Son of God afresh for themselves and expose him to public shame." (Hebrews 6:4-6) In this way, their awakening turns out to be "to reproaches and to indefinitely lasting abhorrence." They have no further prospect of everlasting life.*** w71 10/1 p. 608 Questions from Readers ***
Their practice of sin was a result of deliberate choice. Their situation would therefore be somewhat comparable to that of spirit-anointed Christians who apostatize. Concerning such persons, Hebrews 6:4-6 tells us: "It is impossible as regards those who have once for all been enlightened, and who have tasted the heavenly free gift, and who have become partakers of holy spirit, and who have tasted the fine word of God and powers of the coming system of things, but who have fallen away, to revive them again to repentance." Now, if it is impossible to aid such apostate ones to repentance even though they are imperfect in the flesh, certainly it is also an impossibility for willfully sinning spirit angels to repent.
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w65 3/1 p. 141 Who Will Be Resurrected from the Dead? ***21
Such Christian "partakers of holy spirit" as fall away sin at last willfully against the holy spirit, knowingly so, and thus harden themselves against ever repenting. Such sin against the holy spirit Jesus Christ mentioned to the Jews who maliciously misinterpreted the operation of God’s holy spirit through him. Jesus said: "On this account I say to you, Every sort of sin and blasphemy will be forgiven men, but the blasphemy against the spirit will not be forgiven. For example, whoever speaks a word against the Son of man, it will be forgiven him; but whoever speaks against the holy spirit, it will not be forgiven him, no, not in the present system of things nor in that to come." (Matt. 12:31, 32) Hence nothing could be gained and the opportunity would be wasted by resurrecting such ones to life in the system of things that is to come under God’s kingdom. -
Amazing
Hi Mary,
It was the March 1, 1976 Watchtower, Questions from Readers. I always confuse this with the August issue, because in August 1974 is when the Society relaxed the JW attitude toward disfellowshipped JWs, such as allowing limited communication. This all ended in 1981 with the ray Franz issue.
I will make a separate post on this.
Jim Whitney
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Fear not, Apostates!!
Yee shall rise again, along with the great serpent at the end of the thousand year reign, to be released on the millions of loving servants of Jah......to do that thing you do!
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Forscher
well Kid-a.
what I do know is that we won't be alone!!!!
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Forscher
Bye the way,
Do you like your GB well-done, or rare?
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BizzyBee
Wanderer - that was worth waiting for!
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kid-A
Bye the way,
Do you like your GB well-done, or rare?Forscher: Medium rare, with some fava beans and a nice chianti! LOL
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kid-A
It was the March 1, 1976 Watchtower, Questions from Readers. I always confuse this with the August issue, because in August 1974 is when the Society relaxed the JW attitude toward disfellowshipped JWs, such as allowing limited communication. This all ended in 1981 with the ray Franz issue.
Jim, please provide the quotations that contradict Mary's evidence. The citations Mary provides very clearly indicates no chance of survival for those sinning against the holy spirit (aka GB).
