607, 70 years, 1914

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  • scholar
    scholar

    AnnOMaly

    You are being rather cheeky aren't you?

    Indeed as usual I have read Applegate's paper closely as my usual practice, Have you? Also, I have read Young's papers on chronology, Have You? Please remember that it was scholar who first introduced these researches to this board and I did so because such recent research is a contribution to the ongoing debates within scholarship which although do not in itself prove 607 but certainly does not disprove the date but moves inexorably to that goal of 607.

    scholar JW

  • scholar
    scholar

    Jeffro

    The only correlation between Tyre's seventy years prophesied by Isaiah and Judah's seventy years prophesied by Jeremiah is that of servitude to Babylon. These two periods, one finite and the other indefinite are not one and the same but different as to time, purpose and function.

    You need to read more widely and deeply

    scholar JW

  • scholar
    scholar

    Kaput

    Certainly have for it is all contained in the Bible.

    scholar JW

  • scholar
    scholar

    Leolaia

    It seems that you are now an expert on calendrical chronology so how about expending your considerable and well honed intellect in determining what was the precise year for the Fall of Jerusalem, 586 or 587? When you make a research finding one way or the other then p;erhaps you could arrange for such ground-breaking research to be published in a leading scholarly journal.

    scholar JW

  • heathen
    heathen

    We are still waiting for anything from the WTBTS to be published in a leading scholarly journal.

    These people just make it up as they go so anything they say deserves scrutiny , don't forget how many times the dates for the second coming were changed ,oh that's right he came invisibly .....

  • M.J.
    M.J.

    It would be easy to determine 586 or 587. Just pick your desired interpretation and make a dogmatic stance on how "right" it is, just like the WTS does. There's no question about WHEN Nebuchadnezzar ruled, just his actual regnal year in which the Bible implies he destroyed Jerusalem.

  • heathen
    heathen

    Yah and don't forget to make pretend that there is something called a prophetic year that only has 360 days to really emphasize your point . LOL

  • Kaput
    Kaput
    We are still waiting for anything from the WTBTS to be published in a leading scholarly journal.

    Heathen --

    They've got more of a chance to get their info into a comic book...which is where it belongs.

  • Leolaia
    Leolaia

    M.J. ...There are several different issues involved here, such as how early the calendar itself was known, when it was actually put into practice as opposed to utilized theoretically in literature, and sort of status it had when it was put into practice. Some, such as Rachel Elior, have claimed that the solar calendar goes back to the pre-exilic period (assuming continuity in Zadokite cultus on both sides of the exile), but this is quite unlikely since the sources that seem to betray it are comparatively late (e.g. the Priestly material in the Pentateuch instead of D or JE, 1-2 Chronicles instead of 1-2 Samuel and 1-2 Kings, etc.). There is much dispute and uncertainty about when it came into use and its status in the Persian period because sources are so scarce. Annie Jaubert claimed that the calendar was the official cultic calendar as early as the first centuries after the Exile, VanderKam more cautiously admits that the evidence is "elusive" as to whether it had official status so early even if it was used early in priestly texts, while most agree that it was in use liturgically by the Maccabean period; Hanan Eshel in particular believes that the solar calendar was generally accepted by Jerusalem priests only since the third century BC.

    The main finding is that the calendar had cultic importance beyond Qumran Judaism (e.g. in the pre-Maccabean priesthood), tho by the mid-second century BC it survived only among the Essenes and probably the Samaritans. Traces however can still be found in the liturgical calendar of the Sadducees who followed the Zadokites in conducting the Jerusalem priesthood; their reckoning of the festival of Shavuot, in contrast to the Pharisees and later rabbis, was done in the same way as in the solar calendar of the Jubilees and 1 Enoch, for instance. That Daniel follows the same understanding of monthly reckoning as 1 Enoch is not surprising considering the otherwise close kinship between the apocalypses of Daniel (which has overarching priestly concerns, cf. especially ch. 8-9) and 1 Enoch.

    BTW, it should not be misunderstood that the public calendar was not lunisolar (with lunar monthly reckoning) throughout the period. It is generally recognized that the solar calendar, used to set the priestly duties and festivals, co-existed with the lunisolar calendar and both may have even shared the same weekly reckoning of the sabbath; they differed in how the weeks align with the months and whether the festivals fall on the same day of the week year to year. Hence, the extensive efforts in the Qumran calendrical texts to synchronize the two calendars.

  • scholar
    scholar

    Heathen

    Such views by celebrated WT scholar have already been published in the leading scholarly journal, The Watchtower.

    scholar JW

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