by scary21 77 Replies latest jw friends
I haven't read the complete thread but one of the things that first got me thinking was reading the bit in the Creation book which tried to dismiss the evidence of other humanoid life as being "... a different branch of the human family that died out"
Huh?!?
How on earth did that fit in with their whole idea of creation + earth age!
I think they simply steer clear of saying much at all on it now.
J.W's don't know how to deal with the facts, they simply deny them. It was quite funny a while ago when talking to a JW Elder who was filling me in on all the health problems the older ones in my old Congo. now suffer from.
He said " That Adam caused a lot of problems for us !" , so I said " I think it goes further back than that, the Neanderthals had many diseases which they no doubt passed down to us". (I'm not sure if that is true, but it made a point).
Silence for a while, then he changed the subject.
Perry,
Would someone like to tell this man he is not human to his face, but only a cousin to a human because his head happens to be shaped very much like a "neanderthal"? If so, Don King would like to talk to you.
Sometimes
we joke about the way certain people look. (Like Nicolai Valeuv, the
Russian boxer...) but his skull is definitely human and wouldn't fool anybody. Pongid cranial features are very, very distinctive. Here's a few of them that are clearly lacking in your picture:
The sulcas. Apes don't just have bigger brow ridges than us. The skull constricts just behind the brow ridge to form a furrow that goes all the way down to the cheek.
Prognathisism. The maxilla of an ape protrudes beyond the coronal plane.
Lack of a parietal bulge. At the back, the widest point of a human skull is near the top, in the parietal region. The widest point of an ape's skull is near the bottom in the auditory region.
Occipital Bun. What apes have in place of a parietal bulge. - A prominence of the occiput
Palate shape. The widest
point of an ape's palate is near the front where the canines are
located. The widest point of a human palate is at the very back where
the third set of molars (Wisdom teeth) are located. This gives us a narrower face and a jaw that flares back in a triangular fashion.
Lack of the mental eminence. The human manidble has a protrubence of bone that gives is a distinctive chin.
cofty: Yes hominid has been promoted to include the chimps, gorillas, orangutans etc. Hominins is more precisely our immediate relatives including all Homo, Australopithecus, Paranthropus and Ardipithecus.
You may (or may not) find this explanation from the National Geographic Style Manual helpful:
"The broadest of the terms is hominoid, which refers to members of the superfamily Hominoidea, both present and past. Today it comprises humans, the gibbons, and the great apes (orangutan, chimpanzee, and gorilla).
As taxonomic classification changes with new molecular findings, modern humans and their ancestors are referred to by either of these two terms: hominid (traditional classification) and hominin (new classification). Hominin is the preferred term.
Traditionally humans and their ancestors have been classified as the family Hominidae (thus hominid). A new classification system, taking into account the close relationship between humans and chimps, places orangutans, gorillas, and chimps together with humans in the family Hominidae (hominids); chimps and humans in the subfamily Homininae (hominines); and humans in the tribe Hominini (hominins). Also, according to this system, australopithecines become australopiths.
(For more details see Wood, Bernard, and Brian G. Richmond, "Human Evolution: Taxonomy and Paleobiology," Journal of Anatomy [2000], vol. 1966, 19-60.)
Here is another take on the homonid/homonin nomenclature from the Australian Museum:
Hominid and hominin – what’s the difference?
The terms ‘hominid’ and ‘hominin’ are frequently used in human evolution.
New definitions
The most commonly used recent definitions are:
Hominid – the group consisting of all modern and extinct Great Apes (that is, modern humans, chimpanzees, gorillas and orangutans plus all their immediate ancestors).
Hominin – the group consisting of modern humans, extinct human species and all our immediate ancestors (including members of the genera Homo, Australopithecus, Paranthropus and Ardipithecus).
The terms ‘hominid’ and ‘hominin’ are frequently used in human evolution.
The most commonly used recent definitions are:
Hominid – the group consisting of all modern and extinct Great Apes (that is, modern humans, chimpanzees, gorillas and orang-utans plus all their immediate ancestors).
Hominin – the group consisting of modern humans, extinct human species and all our immediate ancestors (including members of the genera Homo, Australopithecus, Paranthropus and Ardipithecus).
- See more at: http://australianmuseum.net.au/hominid-and-hominin-whats-the-difference#sthash.UpOGtXy4.dpuf
Perry:
"Would someone like to tell this man he is not human to his face, but only a cousin to a human because his head happens to be shaped very much like a "neanderthal"? If so, Don King would like to talk to you."
Perry, if that man has Homo Sapient genes then he's not a Neandertal. Neandertals had a distinctly different gene pool. Besides, that man does not have an "occipital bun" in the rear of his skull like Neandertals do.
As TD brought out, Neandertals had a chinless, highly protruding jaw that would have been very distinctive.
He seems more like Homo Sapiens Idaltu, a progenitor of modern Homo Sapiens
Perry, if that man has Homo Sapient genes then he's not a Neandertal. Neandertals had a distinctly different gene pool.
Rick Docksai | Science Recorder | April 21, 2014
An average Neanderthal and a prehistoric human were about as close, genetically speaking, as any two humans walking the Earth today. That is the conclusion of a new Israeli study that finds that only 0.12 percent of difference, on average, separated the Neanderthals’ genomes from those of early homo sapiens..
... Human genomes today differ from each other by about 0.1%, on average.
Perry, carrots share genes with humans. Chimpanzees share 98% of our genes.
That percentage you mentioned, irrespective of its numeric value, is sufficient to establish a marked difference. The percentage that you cite is not quite that much, it's actually 99.7%.
As far as genetic differences amongst modern Homo Sapiens we have diversified a lot, more so than the small population of Neandertals who were genetically bottle-necked and somewhat inbred.
