UNITED NATIONS , NGO's and WTBS

by MacHislopp 501 Replies latest watchtower scandals

  • detective
    detective

    Hawk,
    I need your help. I am preparing a make-shift press release to send to my local papers. Again, if this is being handled by others, then I will refrain from doing it. Otherwise, we need to circulate the news before they have a chance to do damage control.

    I need:
    the phone number for the appropriate person to contact in Brooklyn Bethel.

    I need people who will be able to work as contacts for the press. I would like at least two people who are very familiar with the situation and would be willing to provide their email addresses and possibly name and phone numbers for the press (I'll take the email address to attach to the release so that we can get this out sonner rather than later).

  • mindfield
    mindfield

    A press-release would be an excellent idea... giving this info to JW's and non-JW's alike through the media would be much easier than telling one person at a time... references to Awake would have to be included in the article, though, as JW would probably just say the article exaggerated or some other bull. Hawk, if you get anything, could you keep me posted as well???

  • hawkaw
    hawkaw

    Go for your press release. It doesn't matter if others are doing it or not.

    The first question - I don't know who would be a good contact at Bethal. That is for a person with knowledge of Bethal should answer.

    I am kinda doing a lot of research into this right now with the UN's DPI and extracting information out of them. I don't know if I have time to be playing around with the press or not. I guess I can give you my name and Email etc. I will Email you this afternoon, detective, with who I am etc.

    However, I would suggest Randy Watters or Kent as the best people for a contact. Randy is known and been interviewed by press people like AP etc.

    hawk

    p.s. - did your friend start talking to you again?

  • bj
    bj

    Hello all,

    I managed to find an official statement IN one of the Watchtower Society brochure (especially made for France) that it confirm that the JW use a NGO.
    In LE FINANCEMENT DU CULTE DES CHRETIENS TEMOINS DE JEHOVAH DE FRANCE, (published by the Consistoire national des Témoins de Jéhovah, May 1999, signed by the french bethel coordinator Jean-Marie Bockaert, who is also the Presidentof the Consistoire, and printed at the bethel of England), page 12:
    "Les Témoins de Jéhovah utilisent à cet effet une organization non gouvernementable pour aider particulièrement les pays d'Afrique."

    Translation: "For this purpose, Jehovah's Witnesses use a non govermental organization to help especially African countries."

    NON GOVERMENTAL ORGANIZATION

    yes, it can mislead the readers but there it is!!!

    Joe

  • bj
    bj

    I made a small mistake the word is "gouvernementale" and not "gouvernementable". Sorry

    Joe

  • hawkaw
    hawkaw

    You should get it scanned and sent to Kent and Randy!!!!

    Someone should find the English version as well.

    hawk

  • Jourles
    Jourles

    Might I suggest that if someone does pursue the media route, that if references are given to contact former ex-JW's, to please have those folks not use harsh language towards the WTBTS during an interview? With the last article in the Guardian, while it was written quite truthfully, I could not send it to my relatives because of the harshness in its tone. If it were me doing the interview, I would merely state the facts and leave out all emotions. When you attack the org in written form, the true blue JW will immediately throw up the wall of defense regardless of what is said in the article and then turn their defense into an attack upon the presenter, in most cases, the relative who is "out." I have already seen this attack from my mother who never did address the UN issue. Rather, she quickly made mincemeat of the UN website and stated that the web page could be changed by hackers and that emails can be altered when sent(what she meant by the email is, when you "send a page" through IE, once the page is pasted into your email client, you can change the wording.) To back out of that confrontation, I switched gears and pointed out that Patterson had a driver take down some firemen from there to NYC and that was such a good deed. Uugghh.

    If another article comes out, make it a good one. Tell the columnist to forward YOU a copy before printing to check for errors in doctrine and such. We need a hard hitting topic that will leave no wiggle room for the common JW. Also, try to have "quotes" from a named UN person, not just a "UN representative."

    Jourles Full Disclosure: Still in officially; go to meetings off and on for the appeasement of my wife; in my mind I am out completely; trying to feed little tidbits of info such as this UN thing to all of my family without creating a tidal wave of backlash

  • Kent
    Kent

    Right, Hawk! I would like to add that page to the growing numbers of pages on the Watchtower NGO-material on The Watchtower Observer!

    Yakki Da

    Kent

    I need more BOE letters, KMs and other material. Those who can send it to me - please do! The new section will be interesting!!

    Daily News On The Watchtower and the Jehovah's Witnesses:
    http://watchtower.observer.org

  • Kent
    Kent
    please have those folks not use harsh language towards the WTBTS during an interview? With the last article in the Guardian, while it was written quite truthfully, I could not send it to my relatives because of the harshness in its tone. If it were me doing the interview, I would merely state the facts and leave out all emotions. When you attack the org in written form, the true blue JW will immediately throw up the wall of defense regardless of what is said in the article and then turn their defense into an attack upon the presenter, in most cases, the relative who is "out."

    Do anyone really believe the journalists are running around, trying desperately to track us down to get some material to write about the JWs and the Watchtower?

    Maybe some here thinks this is extremely interesting, but most people in the world finds crackpot sects like the Watchtower 100% uninteresting, and we should be happy if anyone would write anything at all!

    If some braindead moron of a JW, family or not, can't read a newspaper story because of the language, who cares? I don't - and 99,9% of the world don't either.

    I believe there is something awfully wrong inside the heads of some people, believeing anyone would take special conciderations to JWs who might or might not read a newspaper. Why do you think anyone publish a paper? To tell the so called truth about things? Not at all! While most journalists would want to do that, naturally, it's the money that makes the world go round. And newspapers likes headlines. The more shocking - the better.

    If anyone believes anyone will take special care for JWs in an article, please sober up!

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    Let me add a little something:

    On September 11. we saw what religion can make people do, and those caring so much what the fanatics in the JW-cult might think about stuff - think about this:

    They "don't understand" why anyone could commit suicide this way. Oh No???? How many JWs commits suicide by refusing medical treatment? Not only do they kill themselves, but their family, children and all!

    And why? Because some religious leader, he be the Governing Body or Osama Bin Laden, has told them THIS IS WHAT OUR GOD WANTS YOU TO DO!

    Tell your stuck-up family that!!!

    Yakki Da

    Kent

    I need more BOE letters, KMs and other material. Those who can send it to me - please do! The new section will be interesting!!

    Daily News On The Watchtower and the Jehovah's Witnesses:
    http://watchtower.observer.org

  • Kent
    Kent

    This discussion isn't new at all! The following post was posted by Morty, posted 09-30-99 06:52 AM EST (US)

    The board (Joe Mesko's?) http://www.geocities.com/meskojay/htmlstuff/001027.html
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    I found this information form the US State Departement on the plight of JW (among others) in Eritrea very interesting. Don´t you think the adjustment outlined in the wt might have positive implications for the brothers there.
    Quote from the US State report:
    The Constitution provides for freedom of religion; however, the Government restricts this right in practice. The Constitution provides for the "freedom to practice any religion and to manifest such practice," and Islam and Christianity are practiced widely and tolerated throughout the country with persons free to worship at the mosque or church of their choice; however, the Government persecuted the small community of Jehovah's Witnesses.

    The Government does not require religious groups to register. However, because the Government owns all land, any religious organization that seeks facilities for worship other than private homes must seek government approval to use or build such facilities. There were no reports that the Government refused to approve the use or construction of facilities by any religious organization. Religious organizations, including religious nongovernmental organizations (NGO's), do not receive duty free
    privileges, although they sometimes are allowed to import items under the reduced duty structure used for corporations.

    Although reliable statistics are not available, approximately 50 percent of the population are Sunni Muslim and approximately 43 percent are Orthodox Christian. The Christian population also includes a small number of Eastern Rite and Roman
    Catholics (3 percent), Protestants (2 percent), and smaller numbers of Seventh-Day Adventists and Jehovah's Witnesses. A small minority, approximately less than 2 percent, practices traditional indigenous religions. Also present in very small numbers are practicing Buddhists, Hindus, Jews, and Baha'is. Generally, the eastern and western lowlands are dominated by Muslims, and the highlands are predominantly Christian.

    The Government persecuted members of the small community of Jehovah's Witnesses, of which there are less than 1,500 adherents. In 1994 the Government revoked the trading licenses of some Jehovah's Witnesses and dismissed most of those
    who worked in the civil service. This governmental action resulted in economic, employment, and travel difficulties for many members of Jehovah's Witnesses, especially former civil servants and businessmen. In April 1997, the government labor office issued a form to all employers in Asmara and the surrounding area requesting information on any government personnel who were members of Jehovah's Witnesses. In 1998 one woman was denied a passport when, upon questioning at the Office of Immigration, she informed officials of her religious affiliation.

    In 1998 three elementary school children who were members of Jehovah's Witnesses were expelled for refusing to sing the national anthem or honor the flag, and one secondary school student was expelled for refusing to donate funds to support the conflict with Ethiopia.

    Members of Jehovah's Witnesses universally have refused, on religious grounds, to participate in national service or to vote in elections or referendums. This spurred widespread criticism that members of Jehovah's Witnesses collectively were shirking their civic duty. Some Muslims also have objected to universal national service with regard to the requirement that women perform military duty. Although persons from other religious groups, including Muslims, reportedly have been imprisoned for failure to participate in national service, only members of Jehovah's Witnesses have been subject to dismissal from the civil service, have had their trading licenses revoked, and have been denied passports for this reason. In addition to these measures, members of Jehovah's Witnesses also are denied identification cards, exit visas, trading licenses, and government housing universally, unless they hide their religion. In 1998 several members of Jehovah's Witnesses were arrested for failure to comply with national service laws and some were tried, although there is no information available regarding the verdicts or sentences in these cases. In March 1999, representatives of Jehovah's Witnesses reported that three members of Jehovah's Witnesses have been detained without trial or charge for more than 4 years, allegedly for failing to participate in national service. The maximum penalty for refusing to do national service is only 3 years.

    Ministry of Justice officials deny that any members of Jehovah's Witnesses were held without charges, although they acknowledge that some members of Jehovah's Witnesses, and a number of Muslims, are in jail serving sentences for convictions on charges of evading national service. The Government does not excuse individuals who object to national service for reasons of conscience, nor does the Government allow alternative service. There is no indication that any persons are detained or imprisoned solely because of their religious beliefs or practices; however, the Government has singled out members of Jehovah's Witnesses for harsher treatment than that received by members of other faiths for similar actions Members of Jehovah's Witnesses are not barred from meeting in private homes.

    Authorities informed the Roman Catholic Church in April 1998 that all Catholic schools would be incorporated into the public school system. At the time it was not made clear whether the clerical authorities would continue to administer the curriculum with government oversight or whether the school faculty would be absorbed into the Ministry of Education. However, no action was taken to implement this initiative because of the outbreak of the border conflict with Ethiopia. In January 1998, religiously affiliated organizations were prohibited from operating kindergartens.

    The Government has banned religious organizations from involvement in politics and restricts the right of religious media to comment on political matters.

    The Government discourages proselytizing by members of one faith among adherents of another, particularly by Christians among Muslims, and also has discouraged foreign religious groups and NGO's from proselytizing, as it believes this could
    create unnecessary friction in the delicate balance between the Muslim and Christian populations. In a 1995 proclamation, the Government described specific guidelines on the role of religion and religion-affiliated NGO's in development and government, stating that development, politics, and public administration are the sole responsibility of the Government and citizens. As a result, religious organizations may fund, but not initiate or implement, development projects. The proclamation
    also set out rules governing relations between religious organizations and foreign sponsors.

    Some foreign missionaries operate in the country, including representatives of Christian groups and the Muslim faith. There also are several international religious NGO's that provide humanitarian aid, including Caritas, Dutch Interchurch Aid,
    Lutheran Church Aid, and the Mufti's Relief Organization, the relief arm of the Muslim religion. However, in May 1998, the Government shut down the health clinic of a Presbyterian church and refused to renew the visas of foreign church members, effectively ending the mission work of the church.

    The Government has created a Directorate of Religious Affairs in the Ministry of Local Government to encourage cooperation and interfaith dialog. The Directorate helps coordinate interdenominational relations between the four major religious groups (Muslim, Orthodox Christian, Catholic, and evangelical) and also monitors religious compliance with the proscription against political activity.

    There was no change in the status of respect for religious freedom during the period covered by this report.

    There were no persons detained solely on religious grounds. Representatives of Jehovah's Witnesses reported that three members of Jehovah's Witnesses have been held without charge for more than 4 years, but their detention allegedly is based
    on their refusal to perform mandatory national service and not because of their religious beliefs. However, members of Jehovah's Witnesses received harsher treatment than members of other groups for such alleged offenses.

    There were no persons imprisoned solely on religious grounds. Some members of Jehovah's Witnesses and Muslims have been tried, sentenced, and imprisoned for refusing on religious grounds to perform compulsory national service.

    There were no reports of the forced religious conversion of minor U.S. citizens who had been abducted or illegally removed from the United States, or of the Government's refusal to allow such citizens to be returned to the United States.

    Section II. Societal Attitudes
    Citizens generally are very tolerant of one another in the practice of their religion. Mosques and Christian churches of all orders intermingle throughout the country, although Islam tends to predominate in the lowlands and Christianity in the highlands.

    In Asmara, Christian and Muslim holidays are respected by all religions. Some holidays are celebrated jointly.

    Societal attitudes toward Jehovah's Witnesses are the exception to religious tolerance. Members of Jehovah's Witnesses generally are disliked because of their refusal to participate in the independence referendum in 1993 and to perform national service, a refusal that is seen widely as unpatriotic.

    Church leaders of most denominations meet routinely and engage in ongoing efforts to foster cooperation and understanding between religions, with the major exception of Jehovah's Witnesses. Leaders of the four principal religious organizations meet
    routinely and enjoy excellent interfaith relations. In 1998 in Oslo, Norway, interfaith cooperation was exemplified by the cooperative participation of Orthodox Christian, Roman Catholic, Evangelical, and Muslim leaders in an ecumenical peace
    effort to resolve the Eritrea-Ethiopia conflict.

    Yakki Da

    Kent

    I need more BOE letters, KMs and other material. Those who can send it to me - please do! The new section will be interesting!!

    Daily News On The Watchtower and the Jehovah's Witnesses:
    http://watchtower.observer.org

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