I requested that the purpose of this thread be respected. Are you capable of doing so? Please do not start disagreements about the posts on this thread, this thread isn't for anything more than collecting raw perpectives of posters regarding doctrines they believe are unsupportable or are directly contradicted in the Bible. Any supportive comments are welcome, but I respectfully request that any dissension be removed to another thread or PMs. There is an ability to disagree, I am just requesting that it not be WITHIN this thread. I would prefer for these to come in uncluttered by argument.
I am "collecting" a specific thing here. Thus, the title of the topic. Your post was off topic.