Hubby is Researching 607...

by cognac 183 Replies latest jw friends

  • AnnOMaly
    AnnOMaly

    Re: 'skol-drinker' #1757

    Jeremiah clearly indicates that Nebuchadnezzer destroyed Jerusalem in his 18 th year and 19th year or in his 18th regnal year and in his 19th accession year as explained in Insight On The Scriptures, Vol.2. p. 481, see article NEBUCHADBEZZER. ...

    Have you got a head cold? Neb destroyed Jerusalem twice in two successive years, are you saying? How many accession years did he have? 19 of them? Can you write coherently please?

    ... This means that our chronology as developed by the 'celebrated WT scholars is not dependent on calendrical problems that follow from a 'regnal-based' methodology as opposed to a superior 'event-based methodology.

    'Not dependent on calendrical problems'? ' Follow an event-based methodology instead of a regnal-based one'? What kind of gibberish is that?

    The Bible doesn't tell us how to count those regnal years - whether to use an accession dating system for one text and a non-accession dating system for another text - in the very same Bible chapter dontyaknow! It's 'celebrated Christendom's scholars and historians' who figured that out.

    The foregoing comments renders your chart of mischief useless so there is no need for me to comment on that piece of stupity.

    'Chart of mischief' LOL. I love it! So you cannot comment on the discrepancy. I didn't think you'd be able to.

    Regarding your debates with Furuli your comments demean you and are irrelevant because Furuli has always invited constructive criticism and if a competent scholar finds his hypothesis or research in need of improvement or correction then Furuli will listen to this. As far as I know Furuli has not yet received much scholarly review but I will ring him for a update. The only amateur who has responded to Furuli is of course Carl Jonsson but Furuli has dealt with his views competently.

    ROFL. Your sojourns into fantasy-land never fail to amuse.

    His latest article in the 2009 edition of Chronology and Catastrophism Review was enlightening.

    I liked the way he attempted to re-date one of the problematic astronomical diaries (BM 33478). This diary was assigned as 441/0 BCE (-440) in ADT I, and there it was acknowledged it didn't really fit that year but they couldn't find a better match at that time. In his article, Furuli tried to squish it into 465/4 BCE (year 10 of Artaxerxes I under his 'Oslo' scheme). Of course, despite his assertions that the celestial positions were 'perfect fits,' on checking they were far from it. Naturally, it further undermines his case if he again calculates some daylight hour positions with his astro-program when the tablet says the positions were night-time ones, or starts the month a day earlier than when the experts say first lunar visibility could occur, or when he arbitrarily deviates from his own scheme (starting the year a month earlier than his scheme dictates).

    Anyway, he says he searched for better matches in all the 3 Kings Artaxerxes' regnal years, but couldn't find any apart from 465/4 BCE. But here's the good bit: apparently he doesn't realise that celebrated 'worldly' scholars re-examined this tablet nearly 20 years ago (J. Koch and later R.J. van der Spek) and found 382/1 BCE to be the correct year - Artaxerxes II's reign, no less! Funny he didn't spot that in his research, huh?

    Another favorite of mine was the way he made the Crab Nebula (M1) a positional reference point and synonymous with the star zeta Tauri when he was examining the above Babylonian diary. What was particularly brilliant about it was that not only is the Crab Nebula not zeta Tauri, but it is undetectable to the naked eye and it didn't exist until about 1054 AD. Pure genius.

    I could go on, but I'd be here all day.

  • Spook
    Spook
    The Bible doesn't tell us how to count those regnal years -

    The bible doesn't tell the reader to count at all. In fact, it tells readers not to count, not to hinge on dates and that the "end" is unkown. It also doesn't claim that Christ would return invisibly or that there is a FDSclass. But I go on.

  • isaacaustin
    isaacaustin

    And Joesphus, whom Scholar quotes as a proponent of 607 is not really so, he is a proponent however of 50 years of sabbaths- which Scholar did not disclose. I do not have the quote handy...perhpas someone else may.

  • isaacaustin
    isaacaustin

    The mental gymnastic of the ridiculous 'Seven Gentile Times' doctrine starts with assuming Dan 4 has a greater fulfillment- something nowhere in that chapter, which explicitly states it was fulfilled in Neb that year. Then you jump to Luke 21 and it suddenly becomes 7 gentile times. Jump to Ezek and assert that this is the span of the rulership of Zedekiah until Jesus is enthroned. Jump to Revelation and see that a time, times, and 1/2 a time = 3 and 1/2 times= 1260 days...so doubled in 2520 days. Take another OT verse of a day for a year and assert that the gentile times are 2520 years..use the false date of 607BCE and you come to 1914. Simple as pie, huh?

  • Lady Liberty
    Lady Liberty

    Dear Cognac,

    I am so excited for you!! Our 607 research was the begining of the end for my husband and I. It was like opening "pandoras box"!! Here is a old post on the subject that I did a long time ago that might help. I posted alot of my findings on the subject, especially in my earlier posts, so you can find more info there too. Keep us posted!!

    Sincerely,

    Lady Liberty

    Here it is:

    Hi everyone,

    I just made this chart for my brother-in-law using the Bible as well as the book entitled Assyrian & Babylonian Chronicles by A.K. Grayson printed in 1975. Grayson is a world renound expert used to decipher the Assyrian and Babylonian Chronicles for the British Museum. I checked out this book from the local library. Although they had to send away to a College University for it. A interesting note: the Society uses this very book in the Insight Vol.2 under Nebuchadnezzar to support their dates. When I got this book, it was for the purpose of checking their dates and quotes of this author. As you will see by this chart, they have misquoted him to serve their own deceitful purpose! I included scriptures that support the chronicles. Like I said, I made this for my brother-in-law, but thought someone out there might be able to use it.

    Have a great night!

    Lady Liberty

    The Seventy Years: 609 to 539 BCE

    609- Nabopolassars 17 th reignal year. Babylon was dominating all surrounding nations. See Jer. 25:11, 25:17- 26. 27:6-8, 12-13(All the nations will have to SERVE the king of Babylon seventy years.) The 70 years begin. ( Babylonian Chronicle 3- BM 21901)

    607- Nabopolassars 19 th reignal year. Nebuchadnessar was not even in power yet! He was only a crowned prince at this time. (Babylonian Chronicle 4 –BM 22047)

    605- Nabopolassars 21 st reignal year. Battle of Carchemish , between Egypt and Babylon. Nabopolassar dies and Nebuchadnezar accends the thrown. This is year 0 for Nebuchadnezzars reign. Daniel finds himself exiled to Babylon, as well as the Royal offspring of Jerusalem, the utensils of the house of Jehovah were carried to Babylon. See Daniel 1- 2:1. Jer. 29:1,20 (Babylonian Chronicle 5- BM 21946)

    603- Nebuchadnezzars second reignal year. See. Dan. 2:1

    586/587- Jerusalem burned. Nebuchadnessars ninteenth reignal year. See Jer. 52:12-16 (There were still lowly ones left remaining in the city.)

    562-End of Nebuchadnezzars reign.

    557-Neriglissars third reignal year. ( Chronicle 6 –BM 25124)

    556- Nabonidus becomes King. (Nabonidus Chronicle 7- BM35382)

    539- 70 are fullfilled. Nabonidus is King of Babylon at this time. Cyrus overtakes Babylon in one night. Handwriting on the wall. Jews released from servitude. See- Dan. 5:25-26 Jer. 25: 12 ( Nabonidus Chronicle: Chronicle 7-BM 36304)

  • isaacaustin
    isaacaustin

    Thanks for posting that Lady Liberty. The deception by the Wt regarding the battle at Carchemish to support the date of Neb's rule, and ultimately the 607 date is astounding. Interestingly I showed this to a JW who told me she started to research it but came to an 'apostate site' so she no longer wanted to continue this research, or talking to me.

  • isaacaustin
    isaacaustin

    here is the link ot the deception on the battle of Carchemish. If your husband is questioning this dishonesty may be an eye opener!

    http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/10/111407/1944052/post.ashx#1944052

  • Lady Liberty
    Lady Liberty

    Dear Cognac,

    Also, you may encourage your husband to use the British Museum online to compare dates. You will see exact photos of cuneiforms used in the literature, that they have used from the museum, but key is the dates they fill in to replace the dates the British Museum experts give. It is easy to see the deception, and when you see this for the first time it will be only natural to ask "What the Hell is going on!!"

    Especially since the British Museum won't most likely be considered an "apostate" website, this may be helpful to you. Anyhow...hope this helps. And I agree with the poster Issacaustin, the battle of Carchemish is extreemly important in the 607 research.

    Also..here is another post I did a long time ago when I checked out A.K. Graysons book from the Library. I found complete deception (suprise, suprise..) because the author is the exact person the Society quotes 607 from. He is the British Museums "expert on the subject". The insert the date 607, when he clearly states in the preface of the book 586,587 for the destruction of Jerusalem!!

    http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/watchtower/bible/111407/1/O-K-Everyone-Here-it-is-Grayson-v-s-Insight-Book

    Hope this helps somehow.

    Sincerely,

    Lady Liberty

  • Billy the Ex-Bethelite
    Billy the Ex-Bethelite

    scholar - post 1757

    This means that our chronology as developed by the 'celebrated WT scholars is not dependent on calendrical problems that follow from a 'regnal-based' methodology as opposed to a superior...

    ...PYRAMIDOLOGY !!

    Of course.

    'celebrated WT scholars' = pyramidologists

  • wantingtruth
    wantingtruth

    Cognac,

    if your hubby likes biblical research more than historical ones,

    I would indicate to him the following study --------

    through a serious study, someone may understand.

    greetings,

    wantingtruth

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