grandma part 2...

by coolhandluke 44 Replies latest members private

  • coolhandluke
    coolhandluke

    part 1 is here:

    http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/9/120566/1.ashx

    ...the line clicks over.

    At this point I'm in my car driving with the back windows down. I need the air. I'm looking for Little Caesar's Pizza. They have $5 cheese pizza and something tells me that emotional eating will be my only savior tonight.

    "Have you gone back to meetings yet?" No Gran. "Well are you going to start coming back to Jehovah?" Gran, I don't feel like I ever left him. I'm just trying to figu-- "Well, if you aren't attending meetings you have left Jehovah. Don't you believe that Jehovah has a spirit anointed organization on earth?" I don't know what I believe Gran. Like I said I'm just trying to figure it out. "Don't you believe that God's people are Jehovah's Witnesses?!" Gran, really, I didn't call to talk to you about this. I called because you are my grandmother, I love you, I miss you, you raised me and I haven't talked to you in over a year. "You have to stop saying that to me. At some point that has its end. Yeah I raised you. You are as much my child as your mother and uncle but that doesn't matter. We don't have anything to talk about. You don't love my God, so I don't want anything to do with you"

    Now here is where the lump starts. I swallow hard and I keep going. I'm reaching here for any semblance of humanity in her. Sadly, there is none. The grandmother that cooked my every meal, washed me, put peroxide on my skinned knees, blew bubble pipes with me, made me grilled cheese 'sammiches' doesn't exist anymore for me. Somewhere, at some point inside one of my decisions, she vanished for me. I know this is tough love. I know this is 'the only way to get me to see reason.' But all I can feel is coldness like wet steel... But that isn't steel, its rejection...its the warm quickening of blood and pulse while my heart rends itself

    Gran, I have never stopped loving Jehovah. ~~ I don't need to tell her that at this point partly because of her behavior and that of those in her professed "true" religion I am nearly an atheist. That would help my case none. Really, I am willing to believe in a God but only in the face of more proof and less conjecture~~ "If you don't attend meetings and recognize Jehovah's organization as the only way to get life, you have stopped loving him." Gran, you don't read hearts. You have no idea of what I have been through these past 15 years. I've tried to tell you but you don't hear me. I didn't leave over a girlfriend or wanting to have some stupid worldly freedoms. I left because I was searching for something. I had questions and no one had answers. "Well then you should have written the society." I did. I did do that. I did that and more. I asked every CO, DO and all parts in between. Remember when I worked at the assembly hall? I had access to so much there and access to so many. I asked them my questions. Do you know what they had to say? They, all of them, told me the exact same thing, that I lacked faith, that I wasn't praying enough, that I didn't study enough, not enough field service. So I would study harder, do more, pioneer. Nothing removed that feeling in the pit of my stomach. NOTHING. "Well, that is your fault for not waiting on Jehovah." 15 years is a long time to wait for the answer to simple questions Gran. If I couldn't find my answers inside, then they must be outside. I had bled dry and exhausted all of my resources within the organization. It was time to go outside for them. "That was the wrong choice." So you say...

    Let me get this straight gran, my homosexual cousin can come into your house, eat a meal with you and hug you followed up by my fornicating, cursing, politically involved brother and he can do the same, but I am not welcome. "They've never dedicated their lives to Jehovah. You did. You promised." WHEN I WAS 9 Gran. NINE! "It doesn't matter. You made a vow. You knew what you were doing." ~~ I snicker at her... Snickering keeps the lump down~~~ So you never want to see me again? Never want me to call you again? "Not unless you plan on coming back to Jehovah." Okay then Gran. Let me part with this then. You and I both will be dead and buried before either of us ever see a paradise. I promise you this. I love you very much...

    ..dead goes this line...dead goes a bit of my hope...dead goes my past...dead goes my binding tie... My concept of God was built upon the strengths I observed in my grandmother. Fate, it seems has a sense of irony. I am dead to her... for now, only for now she is dead for me... and God's voice if he has one has never been more faint.

  • Fleur
    Fleur
    Somewhere, at some point inside one of my decisions, she vanished for me. I know this is tough love. I know this is 'the only way to get me to see reason.' But all I can feel is coldness like wet steel... But that isn't steel, its rejection...its the warm quickening of blood and pulse while my heart rends itself

    Oh. My. God.

    I can feel your pain like you cannot believe. I could have written that post.

    My grandmother and I were able to spend a few times together during the illness of another family member that required us both to help take care of him...but they were always laced with a poisonous sadness. She knew that I wasn't going to come back, but she never stopped asking the elders to call on me. She moved out of state, and she ultimately died because of that (long story).

    I had offered to move her in with me when she became ill with cancer, my (worldly *rolling eyes*) husband and I, the only df'd member of the family were the ones who volunteered to take care of her while the JW's talked of putting her in a home.

    I never got the chance to take care of her.

    I talked to her on the phone, two days before her death. She couldn't speak, but I know she knew my voice. She moaned when I said "Gramma you have to get your strength back, so I can come get you and bring you home. We have so much to do yet." She just sighed.

    I would have died for that woman. She was the person I very nearely faked a reinstatement for. I didn't do it because I knew what it would do to my child, and my husband. But if someone had said to me, lie down and die right now to spare her life" I would have done it in a heartbeat.

    Tears, unstoppable tears reading this. Please know that you are heard and understood. We could be siblings, from the way it sounds we cared for our grans.

    You know, I got baptized at 12 and I lamented the same fact that cousins not baptized ever got to do whatever and still be in good graces.

    And they have the bald faced audacity to condemn the catholic church, when they also baptize babies. We were only babies.

    huge hugs

    essie

    edited to add: If I could I would just put my hands on your shoulders and say Man, do not give up. As long as she is alive, do not give up telling her that you love her. When I first got df'd my grandmother wouldn't see me. She softened. She even sent a card and a gift when I remarried. she loved my child, as she loved me. She died knowing that I loved her with all my heart, despite it all. Just don't give up. that way whatever happens, at least in the end when she's gone someday you will be able to tell yourself, as I do, that every single opportunity you had to tell her that you loved her, you took it and ran with it.

  • restrangled
    restrangled

    That was powerful! Thank you for posting this. Your part 2 conversation with your grandmother was so much like the conversation I had with my mom.

    Take care.

    r.

  • coolhandluke
    coolhandluke

    essie. im choked up sitting in the god forsaken cubicle. THANK YOU... thank you soooo much. choking back tears takes so much, i'm not sure what else to say... it means a lot to me to feel related to, to know that someone else "knows". I won't give up with her. Thanks again

  • Warlock
    Warlock

    CHL

    This is very painful to read, but I'm glad you posted it. I was thinking what I would do in your case. What I would do, and this is just me, is I would build a case using something your Grandma holds as sacred, and that is the Bible. I would ask her what has the final say to her. Man, a group of men, or the Bible.

    I am assuming she would say the Bible. Then show her some scriptures that contradict what we were taught as J.W's. having looked them up beforehand. I did this to one of my relatives a couple of times and there were times in the conversation where THEY had no answer.

    The point is not to argue just to be right, it is to get them to start seeing that above all the crazy thoughts of man, if you believe the Bible is a sacred book, then IT has the the last word. I do not know if it is something that you want to do, or something she will even let you do, but I feel your pain and I want to help you.

    Warlock

  • coolhandluke
    coolhandluke

    CHL

    This is very painful to read, but I'm glad you posted it. I was thinking what I would do in your case. What I would do, and this is just me, is I would build a case using something your Grandma holds as sacred, and that is the Bible. I would ask her what has the final say to her. Man, a group of men, or the Bible.

    I am assuming she would say the Bible. Then show her some scriptures that contradict what we were taught as J.W's. having looked them up beforehand. I did this to one of my relatives a couple of times and there were times in the conversation where THEY had no answer.

    The point is not to argue just to be right, it is to get them to start seeing that above all the crazy thoughts of man, if you believe the Bible is a sacred book, then IT has the the last word. I do not know if it is something that you want to do, or something she will even let you do, but I feel your pain and I want to help you.

    Warlock

    I'm hoping that life will be long enough and hearts soft enough to do this Warlock. She won't see me or speak to me now. If I called her she'd hang up on me. I couldn't even get out of her a "how are things". She's just closed. The reason is she has never put as much effort into a human as she did me and look what happened. To her that means that there is something to my dissent. There is something of substance to it and she refuses to hear it. To do so would mean a waste of the past 50 years for her... then where would she be. I sooo want to remove her from "the matrix". To do so I fear would kill her. I have nothing to replace it with save questions. In her mind she is too old to go on a path of self discovery. She "needs" her beliefs. I am a threat to that, so she can't take it. But she's surprised me before. I keep myself hopeful.

  • love2Bworldly
    love2Bworldly

    So sorry for your emotional pain. That cult religion sucks the big one, the way it breaks up families.

  • lisavegas420
    lisavegas420

    I am soooo very sorry. Please know you are in our thoughts.

    I hate hate hate...that religion and what it does to people.

    lisa

  • coolhandluke
    coolhandluke
    So sorry for your emotional pain. That cult religion sucks the big one, the way it breaks up families.

    even though my belief in god is on life support, i do like to subscribe to the bible in a few areas... we aren't given more than we can manage. we adapt, form new families with friends and those of a less judgemental, more like minded mentality. thing is, my family is broken up, fragmented... no one gets together even when we were all in. if we did there was some stupid drama. my worldly family that i have just gotten to know is always getting together, i have some great friends and i'm generally really really happy. i was almost never happy growing up as a kid. i had this unshakeable feeling that something was very very wrong around me. that feeling is gone now. and i'm happier.

    thanks for the well wishing... we all go through pain. communities like this one though make the bearing of it all the easier

  • Lady Liberty
    Lady Liberty

    Dear Coohandluke,

    ((((HUGS))))I am so sorry you are going through this. It is devestating when the ones you love turn your back on you. The power of a cult is so very powerful, as we who have gone through simular experiences with our own family and friends can agree. You never know what may happen in the future that may open her heart to truth about the "truth". Hang in there, we are all in this together, and you are here with many others who have gone through the same type of thing woth their family still in including myself and my husband the Black Pearl.

    Sincerely, your friend,

    Lady Liberty

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