Sophistry Lessons—JW Baptismal Prerequisites

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  • AuldSoul
    AuldSoul

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    In this thread we will examine Chapter 18 of the book What Does the Bible Really Teach?, entitled Baptism and Your Relationship With God.

    Bear in mind, the following sophistic message was approved by the Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses, the Masters Over Your Faith:

    How is Christian baptism performed?
    What steps do you need to take to qualify for baptism?
    How does a person make a dedication to God?
    What is the special reason for getting baptized?

    “LOOK! A body of water; what prevents me from getting baptized?” That question was asked by an Ethiopian court official in the first century. A Christian named Philip had proved to him that Jesus was the promised Messiah. Touched to the heart by what he had learned from the Scriptures, the Ethiopian man took action. He showed that he wanted to be baptized!—Acts 8:26-36.

    Consider: Was it learning from the Scriptures that touched the man's heart, or was it the person about whom he learned that motivated him to be baptized? Read the context of Acts 8:26-36 for the answer. Is it deceitful to imply that a brief study of the Scriptures on a roadway equates to an extensive period of Bible study lasting many months?

    2 If you have carefully studied the earlier chapters of this book with one of Jehovah’s Witnesses, you may feel ready to ask, ‘What prevents me from getting baptized?’ By now you have learned about the Bible’s promise of everlasting life in Paradise. (Luke 23:43; Revelation 21:3, 4) You have also learned about the true condition of the dead and the resurrection hope. (Ecclesiastes 9:5; John 5:28, 29) You have probably been associating with Jehovah’s Witnesses at their congregation meetings and have seen for yourself how they practice the true religion. (John 13:35) Most important, you have likely begun to develop a personal relationship with Jehovah God.

    Consider: Is John 13:35 an explanation of how an organization would practice true religion, or is it the distinctive individual mark by which Christ's disciples are known? Read the context to find out. Is there a need to develop a personal relationship with Jesus Christ? If so, what form would it take?

    3 How can you show that you want to serve God? Jesus told his followers: “Go . . . and make disciples of people of all the nations, baptizing them.” (Matthew 28:19) Jesus himself set the example by being baptized in water. He was not sprinkled with water, and he did not just have some water poured over his head. (Matthew 3:16) The word “baptize” comes from a Greek term meaning “dip.” Christian baptism therefore means being fully dipped, or immersed, in water.

    Consider: Did Jesus say that baptism was a way to show God you want to serve him? Did he indicate the meaning of baptism at all in Matthew 28:18-20? Read the context and find out.

    4 Water baptism is a requirement for all who want to have a relationship with Jehovah God. Baptism publicly indicates your desire to serve God. It shows that you are delighted to do Jehovah’s will. (Psalm 40:7, 8) To qualify for baptism, however, you must take definite steps.

    Consider: A statement is made regarding what baptism indicates. Is there a Scripture provided that supports the statement that baptism indicates a desire to serve God? Also, a statement is made that a person "must take definite steps" in order to "qualify" for baptism. This statement provides the context for considering the Scriptural validity of each required step.

    KNOWLEDGE AND FAITH NEEDED

    5 You have already begun to take the first step. How? By taking in knowledge of Jehovah God and Jesus Christ, perhaps by means of a systematic study of the Bible. (John 17:3) But there is more to learn. Christians want to be “filled with the accurate knowledge of [God’s] will.” (Colossians 1:9) Attending the congregation meetings of Jehovah’s Witnesses is a big help in this regard. It is important to attend such meetings. (Hebrews 10:24, 25) Regular meeting attendance will help you increase your knowledge of God.

    Consider: Does John 17:3 indicate that extensively taking in knowledge, either with or without a systematic study, is required prior to baptism? Is there any Scripture given to indicate that someone who is unbaptized can rightly call themselves a Christian? Is there any reason to suspect that the verses from Colossians apply also to those who are not yet baptized? Is there any indication from the context of Hebrews 10:24, 25 that unbaptized persons are also being referred to? Is there any Scriptural support provided for viewing any of these as prerequisites for baptism?

    6 Of course, you do not need to know everything in the Bible in order to qualify for baptism. The Ethiopian court official had some knowledge, but he needed help to understand certain parts of the Scriptures. (Acts 8:30, 31) Likewise, you still have much to learn. In fact, you will never stop learning about God. (Ecclesiastes 3:11) Before you can be baptized, however, you need to know and accept at least the basic Bible teachings. (Hebrews 5:12) Such teachings include the truth about the condition of the dead and the importance of God’s name and his Kingdom.

    Consider: Is there any indication that Hebrews 5:12 applies to unbaptized persons? Is there any Scriptural support for the claim that unbaptized persons "must" know the truth about the condition of the dead, the importance of God's name, or his Kingdom prior to baptism? If not, why would knowing these things be required prior to baptism?

    7 Knowledge alone is not enough, though, for “without faith it is impossible to please [God] well.” (Hebrews 11:6) The Bible tells us that when some people in the ancient city of Corinth heard the Christian message, they “began to believe and be baptized.” (Acts 18:8) In a similar way, a study of the Bible should fill you with faith that it is the inspired Word of God. Bible study should help you to have faith in God’s promises and in the saving power of Jesus’ sacrifice.—Joshua 23:14; Acts 4:12; 2 Timothy 3:16, 17.

    Consider: Was faith due to extensive Bible study required of the Corinthians prior to baptism, or were faith and baptism precursors to the extensive taking in of knowledge? Was Hebrews 11 directed toward unbaptized persons or baptized persons? Is it deceitful to apply Scriptures to unbaptized persons as musts that, contextually, only apply to baptized Christians?

    SHARING BIBLE TRUTH WITH OTHERS

    8 As faith grows in your heart, you will find it hard to keep what you have learned to yourself. (Jeremiah 20:9) You will be strongly motivated to speak to others about God and his purposes.—2 Corinthians 4:13.

    Consider: Is there any reason to believe that 2 Corinthians 4:13 was referring to actions from an unbaptized person, or were these actions expected of those who would be raised up together with Jesus? Is it deceitful to infer that unbaptized persons "must" preach prior to baptism? (Acts 10:30-48; 16:11-15, 25-34)

    9 You might begin to share Bible truth with others by tactfully speaking about it to your relatives, friends, neighbors, and workmates. In time, you will want to share in the organized preaching work of Jehovah’s Witnesses. At that point, feel free to talk things over with the Witness who is teaching you the Bible. If it appears that you qualify for the public ministry, arrangements will be made for you and your teacher to meet with two of the congregation elders.

    Consider: Why are there no Scriptures included demonstrating this pre-baptismal practice of preaching?

    10 This will enable you to get better acquainted with some Christian elders, who shepherd the flock of God. (Acts 20:28; 1 Peter 5:2, 3) If these elders see that you understand and believe basic Bible teachings, are living in harmony with God’s principles, and truly want to be one of Jehovah’s Witnesses, they will let you know that you qualify to share in the public ministry as an unbaptized publisher of the good news.

    Consider: Why are there no Scriptures included demonstrating the qualification as an unbaptized publisher of the good news? Is it because no First Century Christian was qualified to publish the good news until after baptism?

    11 On the other hand, you may need to make some changes in your life-style and habits in order to qualify for the public ministry. This may include stopping some practices that have been kept secret from others. Hence, before you ask about becoming an unbaptized publisher, you need to be free of serious sins, such as sexual immorality, drunkenness, and drug abuse.—1 Corinthians 6:9, 10; Galatians 5:19-21.

    Consider: Does the context of the Scriptures provided indicate that these practices must cease prior to baptism? Does not 1 Corinthians 6:11 specify that baptism cleanses? Would someone reasonably be expected to be clean before they are baptised?

    REPENTANCE AND CONVERSION

    12 Some other steps must be taken before you qualify for baptism. The apostle Peter said: “Repent ... and turn around so as to get your sins blotted out.” (Acts 3:19) To repent is to feel sincere regret over something you have done. Repentance is clearly fitting if a person has lived an immoral life, but it is also necessary even if one has lived a relatively clean life morally. Why? Because all humans are sinners and need God’s forgiveness. (Romans 3:23; 5:12) Before studying the Bible, you did not know what God’s will was. So how could you have lived in full harmony with his will? Therefore, repentance is necessary.

    Consider: While repentance and conversion are necessary prior to baptism, once again the inference is made that study is also required prior to baptism, even prior to repentance. Does repentance require study, or simply acknowledgement of error? Is it deceptive to repeatedly infer that study is a "must" for Christian baptism when the Scriptures do not teach this?

    13 Repentance must be followed by conversion, or ‘turning around.’ You must do more than feel regret. You need to reject your former way of life and be firmly determined that you will do what is right from now on. Repentance and conversion are steps that you must take before being baptized.

    Consider: So far, repentance and conversion is the only step which is directly or indirectly supported by Scripture as being required prior to baptism.

    MAKING A PERSONAL DEDICATION

    14 There is another important step to take before being baptized. You must dedicate yourself to Jehovah God.

    Consider: Again, this is offered as a "must" prior to baptism. Is there any Scripture provided to support the statement? Is it deceitful to misrepresent God's requirements in a publication called What Does the Bible Really Teach? or is this honest and forthright?

    15 When you dedicate yourself to Jehovah God in earnest prayer, you promise to give him your exclusive devotion forever. (Deuteronomy 6:15) Why, though, would someone want to do that? Well, suppose a man has begun to court a woman. The more he learns about her and sees that she has fine qualities, the more he finds himself drawn to her. In time, it is natural that he would ask her to marry him. True, getting married will mean taking on additional responsibilities. But love will move him to take that important step.

    Consider: Is there any Scripture that shows this step is required by God? If it is not required by God but it is required by Jehovah's Witnesses (specifically by the Governing Body), then who is it that actually requires dedication?

    16 When you come to know and love Jehovah, you are moved to serve him without holding anything back or setting any limits in worshiping him. Anyone who wants to follow God’s Son, Jesus Christ, has to “disown himself.” (Mark 8:34) We disown ourselves by making sure that personal desires and goals do not stand in the way of our complete obedience to God. Before you can be baptized, then, doing Jehovah God’s will must be your main purpose in life.—1 Peter 4:2.

    Consider: While this paragraph is Scripturally true, there is still no Scriptural basis for requiring specific dedication prior to baptism. Was Peter writing to unbaptized persons, or to baptized persons?

    OVERCOMING FEAR OF FAILURE

    17 Some hold back from making a dedication to Jehovah because they are somewhat afraid of taking such a serious step. They may fear being accountable to God as a dedicated Christian. Being afraid that they may fail and disappoint Jehovah, they think that it is best not to make a dedication to him.

    18 As you learn to love Jehovah, you will be moved to make a dedication to him and to do your best to live up to it. (Ecclesiastes 5:4) After making a dedication, surely you will want to “walk worthily of Jehovah to the end of fully pleasing him.” (Colossians 1:10) Because of your love for God, you will not think it is too hard to do his will. No doubt you will agree with the apostle John, who wrote: “This is what the love of God means, that we observe his commandments; and yet his commandments are not burdensome.”—1 John 5:3.

    19 You do not have to be perfect to make a dedication to God. Jehovah knows your limitations and never expects you to do more than you are able to do. (Psalm 103:14) He wants you to succeed and will support and help you. (Isaiah 41:10) You can be sure that if you trust in Jehovah with all your heart, he “will make your paths straight.”—Proverbs 3:5, 6.

    SYMBOLIZING YOUR DEDICATION BY GETTING BAPTIZED

    20 Thinking about the things we have just discussed may help you to make a personal dedication to Jehovah in prayer. Everyone who really loves God must also ‘make public declaration for salvation.’ (Romans 10:10) How do you go about doing that?

    Consider: Is there any Scripture that shows baptism is a symbol of dedication?

    21 Let the presiding overseer of your congregation know that you want to get baptized. He will arrange for some elders to review with you a number of questions that cover the Bible’s basic teachings. If these elders agree that you qualify, they will tell you that you can be baptized at the next opportunity. A talk reviewing the meaning of baptism is usually given on such occasions. The speaker then invites all baptism candidates to answer two simple questions as one way to make a verbal “public declaration” of their faith.

    Consider: Is there any Scripture that shows baptism is a symbol of dedication?

    22 It is the baptism itself that publicly identifies you as a person who has made a dedication to God and is now one of Jehovah’s Witnesses. Baptism candidates are fully immersed in water to show publicly that they have made a dedication to Jehovah.

    Consider: Is there any Scripture that shows baptism is a symbol of dedication?

    THE MEANING OF YOUR BAPTISM

    23 Jesus said that his disciples would be baptized “in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the holy spirit.” (Matthew 28:19) This means that a baptism candidate recognizes the authority of Jehovah God and of Jesus Christ. (Psalm 83:18; Matthew 28:18) He also recognizes the function and activity of God’s holy spirit, or active force.—Galatians 5:22, 23; 2 Peter 1:21.

    Consider: Does baptism "in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the holy spirit" really mean what the paragraph says it means? Is this interpretation actually what the Bible teaches, or only what the Governing Body teaches?

    24 However, baptism is not a mere bath. It is a symbol of something very important. Going beneath the water symbolizes that you have died to your former life course. Being raised up out of the water indicates that you are now alive to do the will of God. Remember, too, that you have made a dedication to Jehovah God himself, not to a work, a cause, other humans, or an organization. Your dedication and baptism are the beginning of a very close friendship with God—an intimate relationship with him.—Psalm 25:14.

    Consider: Does baptism symbolize what the paragraph says it symbolizes? Is this interpretation actually what the Bible teaches, or only what the Governing Body teaches? (Romans 6:1-7; Galatians 3:26-29; Ephesians 4:1-6; Colossians 2:8-12; 1 Peter 3:21-22)

    25 Baptism does not guarantee salvation. The apostle Paul wrote: “Keep working out your own salvation with fear and trembling.” (Philippians 2:12) Baptism is only a beginning. The question is, How can you remain in God’s love? Our final chapter will provide the answer.

    WHAT THE BIBLE TEACHES

    — Christian baptism involves complete immersion in water, not just sprinkling.—Matthew 3:16.

    — Steps leading to baptism begin with taking in knowledge and showing faith followed by repentance, conversion, and the dedicating of oneself to God.—John 17:3; Acts 3:19; 18:8.

    Consider: Apart from repentance and conversion, does the Bible teach that any of the other steps are required leading to baptism? Is this "what the Bible teaches," or what the Governing Body teaches?

    — To make a dedication to Jehovah, you must disown yourself, even as people disowned themselves to follow Jesus.—Mark 8:34.

    Consider: Is a specific dedication to Jehovah required prior to baptism according to the Bible? Is this "what the Bible teaches," or what the Governing Body teaches?

    — Baptism symbolizes dying to one’s former way of life and becoming alive to do God’s will.—1 Peter 4:2.

    Consider: Is this what baptism symbolizes? Is this "what the Bible teaches," or what the Governing Body teaches?

    Summary: If an religious organization cannot honestly represent what the Bible teaches on basic "foundation" doctrines such as baptism, can it be expected to honestly represent what the Bible teaches on more complicated issues? What does the Bible say?

    Luke 16:10-12
    The person faithful in what is least is faithful also in much, and the person unrighteous in what is least is unrighteous also in much. Therefore, if YOU have not proved yourselves faithful in connection with the unrighteous riches, who will entrust YOU with what is true? And if YOU have not proved yourselves faithful in connection with what is another’s, who will give YOU what is for yourselves?

    Respectfully,
    AuldSoul

    Main Entry: soph·ism
    Pronunciation: 'sä-"fi-z&m
    Function: noun
    1 : an argument apparently correct in form but actually invalid; especially : such an argument used to deceive
    2 : SOPHISTRY
  • AuldSoul
    AuldSoul

    Alright now. Don't crowd. There is no need to shove. There is plenty of time for everyone to post their comments on the various paragraphs.

    Yeah, I know it is a long post. No longer than a Watchtower study, though ( at blondie).

    I think this line of reasoning is ultimately just as important (if not more so) than the 607 BC issue or the UN issue. The main reason is that nothing more is required than simply asking a JW for the Scriptures to support what the MOST RECENT primary study publication teaches. The reason for requiring Scriptures is in the title of the book itself.

    Instead of having to prove 607 BC is wrong or having to prove the WTS was a 10-year Associate member of the UN, the JW is put in the position of having to prove a foundational doctrine is actually what the Bible teaches. If my critique is off point, it needs adjusting. Please pitch in and flesh this thing out.

    To me, it seems like this one is a single-swing K.O. punch. It is a primary doctrine without Scriptural support, which is the easiest kind for UBMs (unbelieving mates) and Bible Students to challenge without seeming (in the mind of a JW) to challenge the Bible or challenge relationship with God. It narrows the focus to the organization, and basically asks why the Governing Body would say that "What the Bible Teaches" (the questions at the end of the lesson) includes things the Bible doesn't teach.

    This, IMO, is huge. It is an outright deceit, because whoever wrote this knew the Bible did NOT support what they wrote. They would have been scouring the Bible for Scriptures to support each statement they made, they had to know it was a lie. And it is a deceit taught both to the flock and to newly interested ones whom they acknowledge in this chapter usually have no prior knowledge of God's will.

    Comments?

    Respectfully,
    AuldSoul

  • jwfacts
    jwfacts

    Good write up AuldSoul.

    2 If you have carefully studied the earlier chapters of this book with one of Jehovah’s Witnesses, you may feel ready to ask, ‘What prevents me from getting baptized?’ By now you have learned about the Bible’s promise of everlasting life in Paradise. (Luke 23:43; Revelation 21:3, 4) You have also learned about the true condition of the dead and the resurrection hope. (Ecclesiastes 9:5; John 5:28, 29) You have probably been associating with Jehovah’s Witnesses at their congregation meetings and have seen for yourself how they practice the true religion. (John 13:35) Most important, you have likely begun to develop a personal relationship with Jehovah God.

    This paragraph is mind boggling for a Christian. It says a person may feel they are ready to be baptised for a range of reasons EXCEPT the most important one - JESUS. There is no mention of Jesus, yet Jesus is what baptism is about.

    (Acts 2:38) 38

    Peter [said] to them: "Repent, and let each one of YOU be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for forgiveness of YOUR sins, and YOU will receive the free gift of the holy spirit.

    *** w85 6/1 p. 30 Subjecting Ourselves to Jehovah by Dedication *** On the basis of the sacrifice of Jesus Christ, have you repented of your sins and dedicated yourself to Jehovah to do his will?

    JW's don't get baptised in the name of Jesus and do not receive the holy sprit. Are they Christian?
  • Gordy
    Gordy


    Like it very much.

    As you say we can go on about 607 and UN etc, but the JW will pass it all off as apostate lies.

    But when they have to deal with a a Biblical teaching it becomes harder to reject.

    It will make them think more than either of the above.

    Have you done others like the above?

  • AuldSoul
    AuldSoul

    Gordy,

    Yes, I have a few others. But they aren't ready for public release just yet. I'm still refining the reasoning. I really think asking them to demonstrate the Scriptures that support their doctrine is the one thing the rank and file fears most. I think the evidence for that is the infrequency of actually returning when they have been asked something they "need to do additional research on."

    I am looking for more suggestions of basic teachings for which there is no Scriptural support, by the way. Not so much customs, but requirements that are considered "musts" by the organization.

    jwfacts: There is no mention of Jesus, yet Jesus is what baptism is about.

    I caught the exact same point, jwfacts. I feel foolish that I didn't recognize it long before. When you know what to look for it is so obvious.

    Respectfully,
    AuldSoul

  • AuldSoul
    AuldSoul

    Bumping for whoever is playing thirdwitness today, and scholar, PMJ, or other JWs, so they will get a chance to respond.

  • jgnat
    jgnat

    Well, I'm no thirdwitness, but I hope my comments help. I thought I'd add notes on what an "outsider" might pick up.

    Para: 10 Consider: Why are there no Scriptures included demonstrating the qualification as an unbaptized publisher of the good news? Is it because no First Century Christian was qualified to publish the good news until after baptism?

    Outsider's perspective: You are going to have to explain what a "publisher" is.

    Para 11: Consider: Does the context of the Scriptures provided indicate that these practices must cease prior to baptism? Does not 1 Corinthians 6:11 specify that baptism cleanses? Would someone reasonably be expected to be clean before they are baptised?

    Outsider's perspective: Why the emphasis on confessing to men? Why are specific sins mentioned? This is a key difference from mainstream Christianity. The mainstream assumes that EVERYONE is in a sinful state; not by specific acts, but by separation from God. There is no need to pinpoint specific sins, OR to confess them in detail to an elder-priest prior to baptism.

    JGNAT - thorougly enjoying her holiday....

  • shadow
    shadow

    I intended to reply to this as I stated to sak on another thread, however I do have a job and a family (otherwise known as a life).

    How about breaking this down to smaller bites?

  • AuldSoul
    AuldSoul

    Shadow,

    Okay. I posted the entire chapter to demonstrate that the inferences regarding the necessity of these steps if throughout the chapter, but really the entire thing can be summed up in the last section under the heading: WHAT THE BIBLE TEACHES.

    There we find these two:

    — Steps leading to baptism begin with taking in knowledge and showing faith followed by repentance, conversion, and the dedicating of oneself to God.—John 17:3; Acts 3:19; 18:8.

    Consider: Apart from repentance and conversion, does the Bible teach that any of the other steps are required leading to baptism? Is this "what the Bible teaches," or what the Governing Body teaches?

    — To make a dedication to Jehovah, you must disown yourself, even as people disowned themselves to follow Jesus.—Mark 8:34.

    Consider: Is a specific dedication to Jehovah required prior to baptism according to the Bible? Is this "what the Bible teaches," or what the Governing Body teaches?

    My Scriptural argument that these steps are NOT required by the Bible is summed up in these verses: Acts 10:30-48; 16:11-15, 25-34

    So, if you could just Scripturally respond to my point for consideration on those two teachings that the Watchtower Society says are Bible teachings, I will consider that sufficient. Thanks.

    Respectfully,
    AuldSoul

  • lesterd
    lesterd

    forgiveness of sin was Johns baptizm, dedication to Jehovah was Jesus.

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