Posts by carla
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Disturbing/Puzzling Skit at JW Function Last Night Plus Odd Choice of Music
by Cadellin inso i attended a fairly large jw gathering last night with my active, elder husband.
it was a good-by party for a former special pioneer couple who have been demoted to reg pios and have now moved to a larger city to find work.
anyway, there was music and skits.
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carla
I thought they weren't supposed to be doing these sort of get togethers anymore? -
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Happy Resurrection Sunday
by Perry in.
wishing everyone a happy resurrection sunday.... from my family to yours!.
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carla
Happy Easter! -
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Disturbing/Puzzling Skit at JW Function Last Night Plus Odd Choice of Music
by Cadellin inso i attended a fairly large jw gathering last night with my active, elder husband.
it was a good-by party for a former special pioneer couple who have been demoted to reg pios and have now moved to a larger city to find work.
anyway, there was music and skits.
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carla
oh yuck, that's all I can say.
As for 'Imagine', the lyrics say,
"...Imagine there's no countries
It isn't hard to do
Nothing to kill or die for
And no religion too
Imagine all the people
Living life in peace..."Would that include jw's?
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Disturbance during Memorial 2016.
by Ben131895 intwo documented disturbances during memorial 2016. type 'memorial 2016' on youtube.
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carla
do you suppose they counted the guy who ate & drank? ha, just kidding. -
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Haemaphilliac Doctor talks of JW neighbours cruelty
by Diogenesister ini got my fingers burnt last time i copied a post from reddit, but this one made me so mad i had to show you guys.
i think its possible that the witnesses antagonism was exaggerated in his child's mind, never-the-less any nastiness to a sick child is beyond the pale.
the hospital i trained in lost nearly every last one of its 500 haemaphilliacs to aids - i think around 30 survived from this era.http://www.modernluxury.com/san-francisco/story/when-doctors-need-doctors-after-dodging-death-sentence-looking-cure.
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carla
"Whatever you say about Witnesses at least they are always respectful to outsiders."- you have got to be kidding?!
As for saying the jw's think people go to hell that doesn't surprise me at all, non jw's get confused with jw doctrines and often will say a jw thinks everybody will go to hell but them. They do not understand that jw's do not believe in hell but rather soul sleep and simply getting extinguished at the big A if you are not good enough. Even after explaining that jw's do not believe in hell the non jw will ask something like, "well, where do they think you go after you die? what happens to you (meaning your soul)?" and "well, if there is no hell then they can just do whatever they want, right?"
After 100+ years of knocking on peoples doors you would think they could have at least got this one concept across to the public. But they don't, they hide that at the doors if possible because many people do believe that something continues on after death, not just a memory of you in which jah will clone you or re-create you. It is a deal breaker for many if they knew that off the bat when talking to a jw at the door and I believe jw's know that and that is why so few understand what jw's believe.jw's are not honest at the doors.
If jw's were honest at the doors it would go like this-
"Hi, we are jw's and we want you to join our organization. The following will be required of you-
You must believe all things from our gov body without question
You will not celebrate any holidays, ever
You will not vote
You will be prepared to commit suicide if necessary by not accepting blood
You will be prepared to kill your children by not accepting blood
You will put aside any thoughts of having a soul that continues after death
You will treat others who are df'd with contempt even if you do not know what they did to deserve being df'd
You will dress and wear your hair according to what our gb tells us is appropriate
You will have sex in only gb approved ways
You may not join a YMCA
You will attempt to restrict your friendships to jw's
You will go to all meetings to prove your spirituality
You will keep up with our ever changing doctrines and practices
You will spend every Saturday knocking on peoples doors and try to get them to join our org and you will keep a record of this activity and turn it in on a timely basis.
You will not be allowed to talk to Jesus, if you have previously been prone to pray to Jesus you will cut it out immediately! That is strictly prohibited.
Now this just a start, after 6 months or more of studying with us you must get baptized, then we can use your baptism as a weapon to control you and your family. You will also learn many other doctrines we believe and you must believe wholeheartedly and without question. So how about it? would you like to join our organization?"
Now that would be an honest presentation.
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Deleware child abuse case major implications
by poopie infollow case it may change judicial comittees
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carla
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Why the Deficit at the Circuit Assembly?
by JT-LadyC inhave you ever wondered why there is always a deficit at the circuit assembly?
did you realize that before the program begins, the circuit is already in the red?
many of the friends thought they were paying for the use of the building and covering the costs of the utilities, etc.
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carla
I gotta mark this to listen to when my jw is not around
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carla
I find myself in agreement with both of you!
Longhairgal, no, no list handy just off the top of my head.
Nicolaou said, ".. if confronted with the truth about Jesus' mediatorship most would give an internal shrug and carry on as they were."- yeah, that's what bugs me, they don't seem to know what their own wt's say or have said about it and look at you (me) like I'm the crazy person! ah well, that may be. That's why I don't do these conversations with my jw anymore.
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carla
Nicolaou, I am sorry if that sounded snarky.
I will maintain that jw's do not need Jesus or maybe I should say the r & f? Jesus is not the mediator for the r & f, they must hang on the coattails of the gb or it used to be the anointed along with the gb didn't it? until they relegated the anointed to just regular jw's with no special standing other than actually drinking the wine at the memorial? (and being mentally deranged) and now the gb are the high mucky-mucks who one must be associated with for their very salvation?
If Jesus is not your mediator and you look for salvation from men who supposedly are associated with Jesus then Jesus is not your head, King or whatever else you want to call Him. Men are your salvation, you personally have no real need for Jesus only your government (gb) does. Your only hope is that your gb aren't a bunch of nutters.
If you are not a sinner then you have no need for Jesus either. jw's say they are not sinners, they say THEIR death is what acquits them of sin. Again, no need for Jesus.
Cold Steel, ha, I am not touching a Trinity conversation here! been there done that!
Now, if you are not a believer to begin with or have become a non believer due to spiritual abuse or your own logic then the whole conversation is rather meaningless because first we must establish who/what Jesus is or if Jesus was real or not and then...............I'm just too tired to have that one, too many with my jw over the years.
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carla
Many people believe that Jesus was a true historical figure that doesn't mean they believe that Jesus is their personal Savior. Simply believing He existed doesn't make one a Christian. I maintain that jw's in general have no real need for Jesus as a Savior due to the fact that in general they don't believe they are sinners on a daily basis. Of every jw I have asked if Jesus is their personal Savior they cannot answer and get a deer in the headlights look, they don't understand the question.
How I am not cut from the same cloth as the jw's-
I do not condone and help hide pedophiles, nor would I
I will/would not require suicide or letting my child/family member die due to lack of blood because of some goofy interpretation of mere men
I do not believe one must adhere to my personal beliefs for their salvation
I do not require people say a magical word for God for their salvation
I do not tell people what they must or must not wear for their salvation
I do not require people to go door to door with my personal beliefs and keep track of their time doing so. I do not spend my time greedily thinking of what house I will get (after an elder chooses his first naturally) when the big A hits
I will not shun people simply because their spiritual journey is different than mine
I do not/will not shun my children/parents/family because they have different beliefs and/or lifestyles
I do not look forward to a day in which 99% of the population is destroyed and the birds will help me and my ilk to help clean up all the dead bodies
I do not require people to have the same belief system as myself to consider them 'good association'
I do not tell people how to vote or even if they can
I do not tell married people how they should behave in their own bedroom
I do not keep asking for money in slippery ways then brag how I never ask for money. I work for my money.
I do believe all groups religious or otherwise should be able to stand up to scrutiny and by telling people NOT to look into them or say that everybody lies about them should be a huge red flag
I do not believe asking questions should make one a heretic or apostate (choose the word you like)
shall I go on? the list is quite large
The fact that most people do not consider jw's as Christian is hardly a fault of mine, I have not been the one thumping on people's doors for over 100 years and still nobody knows what the heck their message is.