They didn't know 18 to 20 years ago, that pedophiles were harmful?

by horrible life 53 Replies latest watchtower child-abuse

  • jwfacts
    jwfacts

    They knew at least 25 years ago that pedophiles were harmful. this is from a 1982 Awake

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    "The pro-pornography groups, of course, see no harm in their sickness. Several groups, such as the Pedophile Liberation Organization, the Pedophile Information Exchange and the Childhood Sexuality Circle, are mounting a counterattack against opposers. They maintain secret underground networks that operate nationally and allow them to barter and exchange millions of dollars’ worth of filth. Some of these national and international organizations are now surfacing to push for their "rights." Pedophiles see no harm in "kiddie porn," only because they are blinded by their own lust.

    But the children used in it are harmed, often ending up peddling sex on the streets and having trouble seeing themselves as desirable in any way other than as a commodity, a sex object with a price tag. Here again, as in the case of small boys sodomized by grown men, the courts have problems seeing "kiddie porn" as obscenity. "There is a widespread fear that prohibiting a ten-year-old from appearing in a pornographic film might violate that child’s First Amendment rights.""

    Just another case of false Watchtower propoganda.

  • LanDi
    LanDi

    Well, I would have thought 'Jehovahs holy spirit' would have guided them in that matter. We are after all, encouraged not to think on a matter, but rather wait for them to come up with the answer. I get criticism on this forum for being too open minded toward JWs - but I think at moments like this - you can look from the outside and see what a bunch of a*se it really is. How many children have these idiots harmed ?

    not like the scripture (sorry lost my bible!!) ' look after the fatherless boy.' (some where in the front)

  • bigdreaux
    bigdreaux

    OH MY FUCKING GOD THESE PEOPLE MAKE ME SICK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! i wanted to reach throught that screen and punch that bitch. sorry for the strong language guys, this just really pisses me off. like anyone needs to be told this is harmful. this shows why being a mindless drone to an org. is so dangerous. it's like she's saying the witnesses said, "well, the watchtower didn't say it was wrong for elder so-and-so to traumatise our daughter, i guess it's okay" SHIT!!!!!! the sad part is, THEY DO THINK LIKE THAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • brinjen
    brinjen
    But if you have consensual sex with an adult, we will disfellowship you. We don't even have to have 2 witnesses.

    That's the part that p**##s me off the most. Who here has been reproved/disciplined/disfellowshipped etc without 2 witnesses to back the accusations up? I'm guessing a lot, a hell of a lot. Whatever it was, I'll bet it pales in comparison to the actions of a child molester.

  • flipper
    flipper

    Yeah, Brinjen, exactly my sentiments. When Mr flipper told his 20 yr old pioneer daughter and showed AP article, she hadn't known about it but right away said it's Jehovah's way of cleaning up his org, don't worry, the people who did it will be dealt with, THEN: and besides, Dad, Fornication is just as bad as child abuse. (Mr fs ex and 18 yr old daughter have been trying to get him df'd for fornication) Hearing that sent chills down my spine. flipper

  • horrible life
    horrible life
    and besides, Dad, Fornication is just as bad as child abuse.

    Flipper, did you have to go clean yourself up, after she said this?

    How can any JW think that two 17 year olds, rolling around in the backseat of a car, is equal to a trusted elder/MS molesting your child. GRRRRRRR

  • drew sagan
    drew sagan

    Thanks for posting this. Quite amazing to see these kind of excuses published to cover their butts.

  • Death to the Pixies
    Death to the Pixies

    Are you guys saying that we did have as good a picture about Child Abuse and its after effects 18-20 years ago (at the time the Dr. was speaking) as we do today? Restrain yourselves fellas, the WT is not quoting that to "save their butts" but did so as an attempt to educate sincerely. It is cynical beyond any reasonable level to think this was put on the site to do anything other than show that child abuse is serious and needs to be taken as such. I think if you read this from somewhere other than the JW site (which is evil and looking to cover their butts of course) you would have found it interesting, and true.

    Everyonwe knew that abuse was harmful, but to what extent was it treated the way it should have been say.... in courts? Schools? Churches/congregations? Households? The Dr. is claiming that it was not thought of as a crime as in enough situations, now we need to eliminate that.

  • AlanF
    AlanF

    Society as a whole might not have had quite the full picture we have today of the long term effects of child molestation, but it certainly had 95% of it. So making excuses like "we just didn't know" is pure bullshit.

    There were some good JWs 20 years ago who worked with people suffering from severe "multiple personality disorder" (or whatever it's called today). Some of these mentally disturbed people had been severely molested/abused and that's apparently what messed them up. These JWs had close connections with certain Governing Body members and made it known that molestation was clearly a major issue. Barbara Anderson described to me how one prominent Bethelite told her how disgusted he was at the attitudes of certain Watchtower officials about child molestation, like it was no big deal. At one early 1990s meeting of these higher-ups, one of them actually complained about how horrible it was that a five year old girl had actually seduced a long-time elder and caused him to be removed. "He was such a good elder" the higher-up said. Sure, good in terms of Watchtower Society goals -- goals that take little account of human beings. The really sad thing was that this higher-up was not severely censured during the meeting or after, which shows that the Governing Body itself simply did not care.

    What proves unarguably that Watchtower officials don't really consider child molestation a horrible crime is the material coverning "sexual sins" in the elders' manual, aka the Flock book. This manual explicitly states that certain acts do not need witnesses to the acts for disfellowshipping to occur: if witnesses simply testify that man stays over at the home of a known homosexual, the man can be disfellowshipping merely on the presumption that he engaged in homosexual acts. The same applies to someone who stays over at the home of someone of the opposite sex. The situation with smoking cigarettes is similar: two witnesses to the same act of smoking are not needed; a witness to one act and another witness to another act will suffice to establish guilt. On the other hand, we know from numerous court cases that the Society directs elders not to pursue an accused child molester unless there are two witnesses (or a confession) to the same act. Any number of witnesses who only witness one act (obviously, this is the molested child) cannot in practice establish guilt. What hypocrisy!

    I know that this JW apologist Death to the Pixies is going to object right about now. But the case of Daniel Fitzwater in Nevada proves my point. Fitzwater was convicted in court in 1997 of molesting four young girls. The Society was forced to give up relevant documents, one of which was a letter from a Circuit Overseer to the Society complaining that Fitzwater actually had seventeen accusations against him, but that nothing had ever been done! Even with the court conviction, Fitzwater was never disfellowshipped. While in prison, he actually conducted Bible studies with other prisoners with the Society's blessing. Laurie Fitzwater, Daniel's daughter-in-law, objected to all this bullshit and was threatened with disfellowshipping. Her husband even asked the local elders why they never DF'd Daniel Fitzwater. They claimed that the Society directed them not to. He contacted a Watchtower lawyer named Mario Moreno, who claimed that the elders acted entirely on their own. The guy went back to the elders and told them this; they again said this wasn't so and that the Society told them what to do. The guy went back to Moreno and explained this again. Moreno then pulled the "confidentiality card" and refused to talk to him any more. Today, Fitzwater is a JW in good standing. It's real-world experiences like this, rather than the oh-so-holy sounding nonsense spouted by Watchtower officials, that proves what their real policies toward child molestation are.

    AlanF

  • stillajwexelder
    stillajwexelder

    Back in 1983 a young woman attempted suicide (and was reproved for it!!!!!) - that is how badly her life was screwed up by her molester step-father. He was never even reported to the police and in the 1990s he treated her like dirt - showed how repentant he really was. So the WTS knew at least 24 years ago how badly molestation could impact young womens lives.

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