This week at the book study, at all congregations in the U.S., a letter was read saying if you go to a house or property with a "No Trespassing" sign, you must not enter, or knock on the door. You have to leave immediately.
A sign saying "No Solicitors" is too ambiguous, and they are to use their own judgment, and don't have to knock.
If it says "No Jehovah's Witnesses", you also must leave. Don't try to talk to them.
I thought this was pretty interesting. There must be some lawsuits out there.
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| Mulan | No Trespassing!! Breaking news for local JW's. | |
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| Nosferatu | Re: No trespassing!! | |
I thought this was pretty interesting. There must be some lawsuits out there. That, or too many scary apostates. | ||
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| kls | Re: No trespassing!! | |
That is great news . My land is full of these so maybe that is why they never come here . Thank goodness there is something that really says GO AWAY. | ||
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| seven006 | Re: No trespassing!! | |
Look's like the fear of a law suit and loss of money because of it, is now more important than preaching the good news to everyone. Their true interest is continuing to shine through. Thanks for the new tool to expose who you really are watchtower, keep'em coming! | ||
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| tresbella | Re: No trespassing!! | |
Growing up in Florida you run into a lot of No Tresspassing signs in those rich high end communities but we were aways told that it did not have to do with us as preachers. even when they said No soclicitaing it did not have to do with the wittnesses b/c the elders always reasoned with us saying solicitors are selling something and were not. Man. that topic sure brought me back to my pioneering days with my friends. waking up at 6, going to the local bagel shop and then off into the field and then mcdonalds for lunch. never did in a million years did i think i would be here with you guys. | ||
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| cruzanheart | Re: No trespassing!! | |
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| Masterji | Re: No trespassing!! | |
When I came to a "No Trespassing" sign I never went beyond it.Never have and always will.M | ||
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| HappyDad | Re: Re: No trespassing!! | |
On my front door is my house number. Since reading this topic, I was thinking about adding the words under it.......Ex Jehovah's Witness Lives HereWonder if I would still have mags left in the door?But then.........I wonder if I have been outed by lurkers on jwd........since I haven't had a knock or a phone call since I came on this board in May, 2004.........YIPPEE!HappyDad | ||
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| HappyDad | Re: Re: No trespassing!! | |
P.S.There is no doubt in my mind that some I know are trolls......on this board and others. Because before I faded and computers were becoming the 'in thing'......I heard many conversations that "some of the Apostate sites are soooooo bad"Whoopty f***ing do!HappyDad | ||
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| blondie | Re: No trespassing!! | |
The WTS has lost in court on "no trespassing" issues in this area each and every time for the past five years. They did supply a local JW lawyer for those that called NY but they were not competent; e.g., sending a tax lawyer. The fine was about $250 so many JWs were mad when they lost thinking it was a religious issue. I'm sure they called headquarters with an angry "what happened".I'm glad they are finally spelling it out to the stubborn holdouts that think that disobeying is being faithful to God. I have been re-reading about the campaigns during the 30's and 40's when the WTS would flood a small town with JWs on a Sunday and flood the jail with witnesses trying to break the back of the no door to door on Sunday law. I heard one older brother say that they should do that with the no trespassing laws....what a dork.Blondie | ||
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| Elsewhere | Re: No trespassing!! | |
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| ChileanRick | Re: No trespassing | |
Hi everybodyHere in Chile, the same letter was explained to all the congregations. It's was interesting to know that the branch office won't help anyone with lawyers or assistance if the publisher doesn't obey to the instructions read in that letter.The branch office told us we can get in jail, or pay a lot of money if the home owner demands because we don't respect the "NO trespassing" or something like that.ChileanRick | ||
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| Mulan | Re: No trespassing!! | |
It's was interesting to know that the branch office won't help anyone with lawyers or assistance if the publisher doesn't obey to the instructions read in that letter. I forgot to add that part. Thanks Rick. My friend was appalled that they said that. As for the "No Solicitors", you can knock if you want to, but if the homeowner sues, you are on your own, so my friend said she will just start telling the car group that the house had that sign on it. She went out today (got bullied into it) for an hour, and no one was home..............not one house had one person that came to the door, so they all went home. | ||
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| heathen | Re: No trespassing!! | |
Sounds like we can now exspect them to set up little shanty magazine stands on street corners like kids selling lemonade while playing the old victrola from 1935 and rutherford spouting millions now living will never die .. When it comes to money it seems it's the only thing that changes WTBTS policy . I tell you what though these people that like to prosecute for trespassing are probably buying girl scout cookies or kirby vacuums so I don't see how any of this can hold up in court anyway . | ||
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| Glenmore | Re: No Trespassing!! Breaking news for local JW's. | |
Hmm. Bet you are right about the lawsuits. The WTS cares more about its $'s than its people. I haven't been called on for years, it's a shame as I have a lot to say. | ||
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| metatron | Re: No Trespassing!! Breaking news for local JW's. | |
This is wonderful news! It will encourage EVEN MORE timidity and aversion to the doorto door work, with MORE resultant FAKED hours spent in the "ministry"! How do you defeat the Watchtower? Easy! YOU KEEP CHIPPING AWAY AT THEM! metatron | ||
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| Xandria | Re: No Trespassing!! Breaking news for local JW's. | |
Thank you for posting this Mulan. I was speaking to a few friends who are Police Officers and my cousin who practices law. They told me specifically what could happen and why it is better to have a No Trespassing Sign than a no solicting one.
You can press charges, they can be fined, arrested and even serve jail time for repeat offenses. If continually disregarded you can even sue for harrasment. The sign gives Officers more bite to the offender. They can ask, "Didn't you read the sign or see the sign?" If it is completely visable in several places then there is no excuse for the trespass.
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| heathen | Re: No Trespassing!! Breaking news for local JW's. | |
I do still think it sad that people can be tried and convicted of inviting others to church . It actually makes no sense especially since the GW campaign of getting religion involved with peoples drug problems and such and spending billions on it I might add . | ||
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| NeonMadman | Re: No Trespassing!! Breaking news for local JW's. | |
She went out today (got bullied into it) for an hour, and no one was home..............not one house had one person that came to the door, so they all went home. Sounds like prophecy is being fulfilled and it's time for the preaching work to come to an end:Isa 6:9 He said, "Go, and tell this people: 'Keep on listening, but do not perceive; Keep on looking, but do not understand.' Isa 6:10 "Render the hearts of this people insensitive, Their ears dull, And their eyes dim, Otherwise they might see with their eyes, Hear with their ears, Understand with their hearts, And return and be healed." Isa 6:11 Then I said, "Lord, how long?" And He answered, "Until cities are devastated and without inhabitant, Houses are without people And the land is utterly desolate , ![]() | ||
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| ozziepost | Re: No Trespassing!! Breaking news for local JW's. | |
In the UK and Australia the act of Trespass is actionable in the civil courts i.e. it's not a criminal offense, so the No Trespassing signs have little effect -after all, which landowner is going to take the trouble and cost of pursuing an action for trespass in the civil courts. Likely very little if any damages would be awarded.
I'm wondering if trespassing is a civil or criminal offense in the USA? Is it viewed the same as in the UK?I note Blondie's comments about "fines" being awarded which indicates a criminal action.It intrigues me that the WTS should be running scared of those type of suits - anyone know of any cases? | ||
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