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AndersonsInfoJWs selling Bossert Hotel-New York Times Article 1-30-08


New York Times

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/30/nyregion/30hotel.html?_r=1&ref=nyregion&oref=slogin

Hotel Where Dodgers Celebrated a Title Is Up for Sale     

 
 
Published: January 30, 2008

The historic Hotel Bossert, where the Brooklyn Dodgers celebrated their first and last World Series championship more than a half-century and many bittersweet memories ago, is being put up for sale.

The building’s owner — the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society of New York — said it was not setting a price, but would establish a bidding process that would extend over several months.

The building’s sale is the latest in a series of real estate divestments by the society that began, in part, to take advantage of the thriving real estate market in New York City.

The society is the corporation used by the Jehovah’s Witnesses for their business operations. Their international headquarters, at 25 Columbia Heights, and the large Watchtower sign atop it are prominent features of the Brooklyn waterfront.

The society began leasing space for its staff in the former Hotel Bossert (pronounced BOSS-urt), at 98 Montague Street in Brooklyn Heights, in 1983 and bought the building in 1988 for an undisclosed price. The Jehovah’s Witnesses are also moving some of their operations outside Brooklyn and therefore need less residential space in New York, officials said.

Richard Devine, the building manager for the society, said in a telephone interview on Tuesday that the old hotel was “in very poor condition when we bought it.” The society then began an extensive renovation of the 14-story building.

Mr. Devine declined to estimate the cost of the renovation of the Italian Renaissance Revival-style building, with its white pillars and crystal chandeliers, but said it was “in the millions.”

Over the years, the Jehovah’s Witnesses have used all but six of the 224 apartments in the former hotel to house church members and staff. Six tenants who have lived there since before the society bought it are expected to remain after the sale, Mr. Devine said.

The Bossert was built by Louis Bossert, a Brooklyn lumber magnate, as an apartment hotel in 1909, the same year that the Jehovah’s Witnesses moved their headquarters to Brooklyn.

Known as the Waldorf-Astoria of Brooklyn, the hotel was famous in the 1920s for its Marine Roof, a two-level rooftop restaurant with a commanding view of Manhattan.

When the Brooklyn Dodgers won the 1955 World Series against the Yankees, delirious Dodgers fans celebrated on Montague and Hicks Streets. In the lobby of the Hotel Bossert, they bellowed “For He’s a Jolly Good Fellow” for Walter Alston, the Dodgers’ manager.

In 1958, the team became the Los Angeles Dodgers.

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MidwichCuckooRe: JWs selling Bossert Hotel-New York Times Article 1-30-08
'Abomination' springs to mind. So many surplus 'treasures on Earth' to sell? To the highest bidder too! The British JWs never get to hear of these (in fact, when I recently mentioned the WT buildings, they responded that it must only have been an old printing factory - bloody disillusioned, they think the WTBTS is on the breadline, only surviving by the Grace of God!)
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JHRe: JWs selling Bossert Hotel-New York Times Article 1-30-08

The first thing that passed through my mind was, "Why do they own a hotel"?

Why are they so money minded?

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DismemberedRe: JWs selling Bossert Hotel-New York Times Article 1-30-08

Greetings AndersonsInfo,

Thanks for keeping us abreast of (IMO) all important news. Printing Co's do not sell building for nothing. Perhaps there are fissures in the dike! It's time for a beer-barrell polka.

Roll out the barrel, We'll have a barrel of fun
Roll out the barrel, we've got the blues on the run
Zing Boom Terrara
Join in a glass of good cheer
Now it's time to roll the barrel
For the gang's all here (Spoken: Take it away boys!)

Dismembered

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NosferatuRe: JWs selling Bossert Hotel-New York Times Article 1-30-08
- "Mr. Devine declined to estimate the cost of the renovation of the Italian Renaissance Revival-style building, with its white pillars and crystal chandeliers, but said it was “in the millions.”"

Millions as in the materials used to restore it with volunteers, or millions as in the materials plus what it WOULD have cost to use paid workers?
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nvrgnbkRe: JWs selling Bossert Hotel-New York Times Article 1-30-08

I lived in the Bossert and attended "morning worship" there.

It's great to see things for what they are, albeit later in the game.

Thanks for the news, Barbara.

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blondieRe: JWs selling Bossert Hotel-New York Times Article 1-30-08
And another step in divesting themselves of their Brooklyn property.  The WTS is cash poor and property rich.  Hopefully, they will invest their money well.  I keep wondering when the French case in the EU court will be settled and if the WTS will have to pay $50 million?  What property is left, 25 Columbia Heights, 124, 107?
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GayleRe: JWs selling Bossert Hotel-New York Times Article 1-30-08
Do they still have the Squibb building?  Seems like the buildings they bought in the 80's are getting all sold.  I was at Bethel when they bought the Squibb building in the early 70's,,one of those things that made me think "hmmm.'
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ronin1Re: JWs selling Bossert Hotel-New York Times Article 1-30-08

This is truly sickening.

The WTS aquired this building and many others on the backs of many JW's hard work and monies.

Now they are going to sell it to the highest bidder and where will that money go?

Who will receive that money?

I am all for the separation of Church and State, the this gov't should monitor what these relgious organizations are doing with all the monies they collect as "contributions' and 'donations' and stop making them exempt from revealing their entire financial disclosures.

Ronin1

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WingCommanderRe: JWs selling Bossert Hotel-New York Times Article 1-30-08

Well, Well! Now we know why they had to "lay-off" several thousand of the Bethel workers and send them home to be "special pioneers," don't we? It all makes sense now. Throw the worker bees out on their asses so they could sell off the hotel for MILLION$ of dollars. Since Patterson and Walkill are basically done, I see them moving all operations out of Brooklyn completely, out of the public eye all together, and eventually becoming even more of a seperatist cult. Can you say, "Jonestown?" I can, and in a few years when they move all operations out of the city and into the countryside, that is exactly what it will become, some kind of JW cult Mecca.

I wonder how all of those volunteer workers feel that spent many days/weeks/months restoring that place up for the Society, now to see it being sold off for PROFIT?

- Wing Commander

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Homerovah the AlmightyRe: JWs selling Bossert Hotel-New York Times Article 1-30-08

Thanks for the information folks, interesting stuff  

A lot of men go to god to receive money and power , the WTS. was just those kind of people right from the very beginning  

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OnTheWayOutRe: JWs selling Bossert Hotel-New York Times Article 1-30-08

So another building that they bought then used all their free labor and tax exemptions
to beautify. Now they sell it at a huge profit. Of course, most of the free labor force is
probably still under their thumb, so they don't mind helping the corporation with cash
flow problems.

I just see it as one less asset to liquidate. Sooner or later, there will be no buildings
in Brooklyn to sell. Then what? Kingdom Halls? Assembly Halls?
Maybe they will have to double the KHAA insurance program.
Money problems wake up more people than doctrinal inconsistencies. Yahoo!!!!!!!!!

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nvrgnbkRe: JWs selling Bossert Hotel-New York Times Article 1-30-08

If you want to see what some of the neighbors think of Jehovah's real estate empire, read the comments/blogs here from The Brownstoner...

http://www.brownstoner.com/brownstoner/archives/2007/04/good_lord_watch.php

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EinsteinRe: JWs selling Bossert Hotel-New York Times Article 1-30-08

Do they ever announce this type of information to the Congregations or at least to the workers in Bethel?  Why should it appear in a newspaper article first?  The members have a right to know everything that they do with that money.  Is there a public report available to Witnesses on the financial status of the WTO?  Or are we supposed to "trust" their business acumen?  How does it all work?

Einstein

 

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nvrgnbkRe: JWs selling Bossert Hotel-New York Times Article 1-30-08
Do they ever announce this type of information to the Congregations or at least to the workers in Bethel? 

It may come out months later in a KM.

You surely realize that Jehovah is always maneuvering things for the greatest possible testimony to the nations.

Most certainly all persons are highly aware of the question of universal sovereignty and actively reject Jehovah and his King-designate on a daily basis when they choose to go to work instead of staying home and waiting for some pioneer sisters to bring them the latest copies of the Watchtower and Awake magazines in between their coffee breaks and gossip sessions. 

Jehovah will surely be justified in bringing about the destruction of this wicked world.

Come Lord Jesus, Amen.

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sir82Re: JWs selling Bossert Hotel-New York Times Article 1-30-08
Do they ever announce this type of information to the Congregations or at least to the workers in Bethel?  Why should it appear in a newspaper article first?  The members have a right to know everything that they do with that money.  Is there a public report available to Witnesses on the financial status of the WTO? 

Bwa-ha-ha-ha-ha! 

Thanks for today's belly-laugh.

"The members have a right to know" - priceless!

Here's the attitude of the organization: "You have the right to swallow anything and everything we tell you, no questions asked. If you defy us, we'll hold your family and friends captive, barring them from contact or relationships with you."

"Public report" - stop it, you're killing me!

Here's a report for you: "We were selected by GOD HIMSELF in 1919, and have acted flawlessly ever since. We make no mistakes, no errors, to question us is question JEHOVAH THE SOVREIGN OF THE UNIVERSE. Do you want to fall into the hands of God? Didn't think so."

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Burger TimeRe: Re: JWs selling Bossert Hotel-New York Times Article 1-30-08
So did the Society admit they were just trying to take advantage of the buyers market??
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daniel-pRe: JWs selling Bossert Hotel-New York Times Article 1-30-08
I stayed in one of the top floor penthouse suites for a few days while on vacation from Wallkill. It was pretty cool, needless to say, with a perfect view of the Manhattan skyline.
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EinsteinRe: JWs selling Bossert Hotel-New York Times Article 1-30-08
Thanks for today's belly-laugh. "The members have a right to know" - priceless!

Sir82,

I'm so glad I made your day.  I guess those questions do sound a bit naive huh?   LOL! 

On a more serious note though, the actions of the WTO are going to end up exposing them for what and who they really are despite their claims of authority.  It's only a matter of time which is why so many newbies are lurking and joining JWD.  (IMHO)

...and stop laughing at me!

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sooner7ncRe: Re: JWs selling Bossert Hotel-New York Times Article 1-30-08

The article said that there were what, like 6 tenants, still living in the building that had been living there before the WT bought the building. Has anyone talked to them or considered talking to them about their experience living with those zombies? Where they JW's also? Their stories might be interesting.

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