What would you tell someone who wants to become a JW?

by slimboyfat 37 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

  • slimboyfat
    slimboyfat

    What would be the most important things you think someone should be aware about JWs if they are planning on getting baptised as a JW?

    Imagine you are on a plane and get talking to the person next to you. You find out they are considering becoming a JW but they are not sure. You tell them you were a JW and you used to believe in the Watchtower but you don't any more. They seem interested and open to hearing your perspective.

    What would let them know about JWs during the remainder of the flight. Here are my top six:

    1. That once they get baptised they will no longer be allowed to openly question what the Watchtower says. As a Bible study they may have been humoured when asking awkward questions or saying they don't find certain things in the magazines believable. But once they are baptised that will no longer be tolerated. Openly questioning or expressing doubts about Watchtower teachings after baptism will lead to them being marked as bad association or outright expulsion and shunning.

    2. They will be stigmatised in the congregation if either they or their children decide to go to college.

    3. JWs do not believe in making the world a better place. They shun community attempts to improve social problems and the environment. They view the United Nations as a beast of Revelation that God will destroy.

    4. They have promised that the end would come at various times over the past 140 years and all their predictions have failed. Most recently they claimed that Armageddon would come within the lifetime of the generation who saw 1914. When that prediction failed they changed their interpretation, made no apology for misleading people, and continued to insist the end is near.

    5. They have changed their policy on blood and organ transplants over the decades and Witnesses died in the past refusing treatments that are now allowed. Some day the Watchtower may give up on the blood ban altogether, so why put your life on the line for a shifting doctrine?

    6. That a man called Raymond Franz who used to be on the Governing Body wrote two books about his exit from the group and how the organisation cares about its own preservation more than the well being of ordinary JWs.

    Issues I would not raise in such circumstances.

    1. That Rutherford was a drunkard and a womaniser.

    2. That the Watchtower joined the United Nations int the 1990s and left only when they were caught out by former Witnesses.

    3. That the NWT inserts the name Jehovah into the New Testament without manuscript support.

    4. That Watchtower publications misquote sources to support their position on issues like the Trinity and evolution.

    5. That the Watchtower quoted the spiritist Greber to support their translation of John 1:1.

    6. That Watchtower publications once taught that Jehovah lives in the Pleiades.

  • Think About It
    Think About It

    1) I would mention that no modern scholar believes Jerusalem was destroyed in 607 BCE as the JW's believe, therefore the whole foundation of their prophetic chronology and supposed reason for being chosen as God's Channel is false.

    2) The fact that the WTS changed their "1914 generation" teaching to the absurd "over-lapping generation" teaching proved that they were false and just trying to cover their asses.

    3) The new F&DS flip-flop is proof that these dumbasses did not even know their own identity until just recently.

    4) Have to mention the Watchtower pedophile scandal.

  • Lied2NoMore
    Lied2NoMore

    that if you ever disagree with a doctrine or policy you will be DF'd

    even if the doctrine or policy is changed or reversed, you have to go along with it or be Df'd

    and WT violates basic human rights for its members, yet hypocritically goes to european court of human rights to fight for the same rights it disallows for its own members..

  • OnTheWayOut
    OnTheWayOut

    SBF, your number 4 would be my emphasis. I would mention the changing definition of "generation" and ask them if they even understand the overlap.

  • *lost*
    *lost*

    The Truth about the name je-hova not being God's proper name, and invented by a catholic monk and being

    connected to paganism and Satan himself, and therefore cannot be God.

    that would of made me run a mile.

    (wish I'd known then what I know now... sigh

  • whathappened
    whathappened

    You hit the highlights very well. If you cover too many points, they will not remember any of them.

    Also meaningful is the Adventist early connection.

  • minimus
    minimus

    Run!!!!!!!!!!!!!'

  • fresh prince of ohio
    fresh prince of ohio

    I'd just try to have as relaxed a conversation with them as I could. I'd ask them what they find attractive about the JWs, and try to make some points that not all is as it may seem on the surface. I'd tell them to take it really slow, and be sure to look into what critics of the WTS have to say.

  • Band on the Run
    Band on the Run

    I would explain that I was raised as a JW by people who were also born-in. Next, I'd explain Bethel and that my father served there when it was very small. Maybe express concern about informed consent. Tell of consequences and how restricted life will be. Shunning needs to be emphasized. Shunning when you are very isolated. The notion that good, decent people deserve to die horribly at Armageddon. I would also mention that according to wikipedia, almost 99% of Christians share core beliefs and that the Witnesses are the 1%.

    I would strive to be calm and relaxed. Lie and say that I respect many Witnesses but not the GB. Suggest that they consult the Internet.

    Oh, when I mention that you are not allowed to raise questions and will only study Witness lit and not the Bible, people are shocked. The tone in my voice makes a huge difference.

    I estimate that I have raised concerns with at least ten people since I started on this forum. It needs to be tailored for each indiviidual. Political campaigns focus on the local and personal for good reasons.

  • JW GoneBad
    JW GoneBad

    Don't do it!!!

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