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  The Rowland v. Christian case was used to arrive at the Conti decision... But should there have been a legal duty to prevent harm?

  by defender of truth in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  the factors of the rowland v. christian case were applied to arrive at the latest conti ruling, according to an article entitled 'in childhood sexual abuse case, california appellate court finds church has no duty to prevent its members from harming each other':"the sole basis for the punitive damages claim was the contention that the defendants failed to fulfill their duty of warning members of the congregation that the witness had molested a child.on appeal, the reviewing court found that the alleged duty to warn could not be justified on the basis of a special relationship because there is no authority for any such broad duty on the part of a church to prevent its members from harming each other.

  the court also applied the factors of rowland v. christian to determine whether a duty existed..."www.jdsupra.com/legalnews/in-childhood-sexual-abuse-case-californ-19456/......now take a look at this:" california civil code section 1714 imposes a general duty of ordinary care, which by default requires all persons to take reasonable measures to prevent harm to others.

  in the 1968 case of rowland v. christian, the court held that judicial exceptions to this general duty of care should only be created if clearly justified based on the following public-policy factors:*.the foreseeability of harm to the injured party;*.the degree of certainty he or she suffered injury;*.the closeness of the connection between the defendants conduct and the injury suffered;*.the moral blame attached to the defendants conduct;*.the policy of preventing future harm;*.the extent of the burden to the defendant and the consequences to the community of imposing a duty of care with resulting liability for breach;*.and the availability, cost, and prevalence of insurance for the risk involved.

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  I think that it was wrong for the court to state that duty to warn would put too much burden on the church. They went as far as saying that it would burden them with having to warn every time they have a reasonable evidence that someone could be a child abuser. What I believe they fail to see is that this is a confirmed pedophile. No one, not even CPS would prosecute someone whom they "feel" might by a pedophile. If they go the route of not dealing with the matter internally, then 1st amendment would come to the table. There is no winning with these people. I think the only upper hand is in bad PR. As much and as often as possible, and then some more.
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  weird questions people ask you at the KH?

  by Truthexplorer in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  so i meet sister ott zealot.

  she says ah .... its lovely to see you; how are you doing.

  i said yeah i'm fine thank you!

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  StarTrekAngel

  I had a sister chase me once. I mean it literally. She was not walking behind me or anything. I was walking to the back, towards the exit, at the end of the meeting. She left whomever she was talking to behind and ran after me. My wife had already gone ahead of me, as I was carrying my youngest kid (she was asleep). She stops me on my tracks and asks... (words between parentheses is me thinking)

  Sister: How are you doing today..

  me: All good and you?

  Sister: I was wondering, how is it going with your kids on your home study? (guess she forgot how she was)

  me: (WTF) doing just fine

  Sister: What are you all studying?

  me: (OOOKK??)) We usually study the WT in preparation for Sunday.

  Sister: oh wow, and the kids understand that?

  me: well I am sure they don't understand everything, but as you can see, the comment quite a bit

  I assumed at that point that she was looking for a family to study with since she may have ran out of dummies while going in FS. I never really understood how anyone in their right mind would let someone else educate their kids.
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  Phone call from a brother last night

  by label licker in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  the brother and his wife thought the statement at the end of this month's broad cast show was a little off.

  the org stated that jehovah's organisation can not be corrupted.

  (needless to say only three had shown up for the broadcast meeting at the hall) he's never heard that before so we filled him in as to what the org has been up to and gave him jwnet, jw facts as well as jw survey to look at.

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  StarTrekAngel

  Is that broadcast in their website?
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  Protect governing body with your life

  by Zoos in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  there was a quote in the literature some years back about protecting the governing body from secular authorities and insinuated that we should do whatever it took to insure their safety.. i seem to remember it was something about refusing to help the authorities locate the governing body.

  i may be off track here.

  if this is familiar to you could you please help me find the quote?.

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  I don't remember seeing anything in writing but I do recall of several meeting over the years. The subject was usually brought up around studies that touched on the subject of our loyalty, both to our brothers as well as those taking the lead. Some elders would always make sure to include a comment where we would be told what to say to the authorities that were looking for the elders. That is how I first learned that we were all, technically speaking, ordained ministers.
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  "Your bad attitude is evident, because you don't bring a meeting bag to the meetings anymore!"

  by stuckinarut2 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  yes friends.....this is the comment said to me by an elder!.

  "your bad attitude is evident because you don't bring your meeting bag anymore!".

  i calmly replied: "but everything i need is on the tablet now......".

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  StarTrekAngel

  This seems to be more common than I thought. About a year ago, all baptized publishers in my cong were called to a meeting. I happened to "qualify" to attend at the time. There was an assembly coming up and they decided to review some items related to the assembly but also others related to the cong itself. One of such topics was the assignments of privileges. One of the simplest ones, mic handling, was brought up and it was shocking to hear how one would qualify to handle the mic. The conversation went something like this.

  Meeting conductor (elder): In order to qualify and honor Jehovah, what qualities should a man demonstrate in order to be considered for the privileges.

  brother raises hand: He must be an exemplary christian

  Elder: That is correct. How do we know if he is an exemplary christian?

  another brother raises hand: He lives his life by bible principles (so far so good)

  Elder: But how would someone know if this person was rightfully appointed by christian principles, if he is walking around the KH handling the microphone. How would someone know that he was rightfully appointed.

  Brother raises hand: His magazine would be underlined, showing that he prepared for the meeting.

  In my mind I was thinking.. so its ok if he steals, beat up his wife and kids, and has an affair at work. So long his magazine is underlined.

  That was the last time I ever prepared for a WT study. I had never handled the mic up to that point. As soon as I stopped actually preparing and made sure to use bright colorful highlights on the pages, I was then offered the "privilege". Once I prove it to myself, I stopped highlighting and FS and the privilege went out the door in as little as two meetings.

  I am a much happier individual now.
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  Just bumped into this...

  by StarTrekAngel in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  this is a phrase taken from the current wt magazine being studied.

  someone already took it and ran with it, posting it as a banner in a pro-jw site called "i am proudly a jw".

  it's in spanish, but you can look it up in the english version of the mag.

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  StarTrekAngel

  Thanks Cap. The spanish version makes it clear that he would think about "his job". Comments from the brothers last Sunday were surrounding that idea. "How would you feel if you were "demoted" from traveling overseer to chicken overseer"
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  Just bumped into this...

  by StarTrekAngel in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  this is a phrase taken from the current wt magazine being studied.

  someone already took it and ran with it, posting it as a banner in a pro-jw site called "i am proudly a jw".

  it's in spanish, but you can look it up in the english version of the mag.

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  StarTrekAngel

  This is a phrase taken from the current WT magazine being studied. Someone already took it and ran with it, posting it as a banner in a pro-JW site called "I am proudly a JW". It's in Spanish, but you can look it up in the english version of the mag. WT Study edition, Feb 2015 under "Imitate Jesus' humility and tenderness", Par 9.

  Disgusting...

  The Spanish version was translated differently. In my opinion as a native Spanish speaker, and if translated from Spanish to English, it would have sound like "Listen, you little speck of dust. Who do you think you are?". Also, the previous phrases leading to that statement, in Spanish again, go more like thins... "Whenever I felt I deserved a better job, I would take myself to a corner.."

  
  
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  New KH design announcement?

  by StarTrekAngel in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  has there been any official announcement made regarding the new kh design?

  i am asking because i know some publishers on my cong that already seen the pics from elders who attended the presentation.

  also made me wonder how long would it be before they have to dedicate a section of the meeting (local needs?

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  StarTrekAngel

  Has there been any official announcement made regarding the new KH design? I am asking because I know some publishers on my cong that already seen the pics from elders who attended the presentation. Also made me wonder how long would it be before they have to dedicate a section of the meeting (local needs?) to tell people they are too distracted looking out the window. Let not fool you, the windows will help. Whenever you said or do something incorrect, they will tell you and you will argue. In turn, they will remind you that you probably do not know the new teaching because you were distracted by the window. You get no choice but to believe such thing was said.
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  Conversation with my mother-in-law this morning

  by StarTrekAngel in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i am skipping the details on how we got to this point.

  conversation was calmed and pleasant and while i know she is not the most educated person (she can hardly read), its hard to justify it by saying is a matter of ignorance.

  it is definitely something inside her that triggers on that very moment.. me: i don't know where all the money is going.

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  StarTrekAngel

  I am skipping the details on how we got to this point. Conversation was calmed and pleasant and while I know she is not the most educated person (she can hardly read), Its hard to justify it by saying is a matter of ignorance. It is definitely something inside her that triggers on that very moment.

  Me: I don't know where all the money is going. We use to pay $2500 for a 3 day assembly. We know pay $12,000 for a single day, meeting in a place of our own.

  Her: Yeah, its weird, people don't donate as much anymore

  Me: Yes, I know that is probably true. What I am really questioning is not how much people give, but rather how is it possible that is costs so much

  Her: It seems like people reason that because the place is ours, we don't have to contribute.

  Me: But if they built the place on free labor, and with donated funds, how is it that it costs 3 times as much as before, when we rented places we did not own.

  Her: And the funny thing is that we all like to go out and buy new dresses for each assembly, instead of putting the money where it really matters.

  Me: No, but that is not what I meant. Remember, we use to rent the school stadium. We have gone as far as renting the astrodome in Houston and it never costed that much. If they can rent the place for that amount, how is it that it costs us more to rent our own place that we built with donated funds

  Her: May be is because is a whole 3 days.

  Me: No, that is how much is costing for a single day assembly. Is way more than what a 3 day use to cost.

  Her: All I know is that I make my contribution. Jehovah knows if the others are contributing or not...

  Then I realized I was late for work....

  The end.
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  Conn. Firefighter Who Is Jehovah's Witness Files Federal Discrimination Lawsuit

  by Bangalore in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  conn. firefighter who is jehovah's witness files federal discrimination lawsuit.

  http://www.ctlawtribune.com/id=1202722980377/conn-firefighter-who-is-jehovahs-witness-files-federal-discrimination-lawsuit#ixzz3xhkbpznt.

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  StarTrekAngel

  Someone needs to show the other party on this lawsuit that he is ok to raise the flag if the job demands it. As per WT policy. See Chile's example.