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  My wife is frightened about the end/ What to say without sounding Apostate?

  by suavojr in

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  my wife called me at work saying she is scared after reading today's daily text.

  i don't read it anymore, therefore i went online and found this.. tuesday, march 3 .

  those days will be cut short.matt.

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  StarTrekAngel

  Guys, he said he did not want to sound apostate. :)
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  watchtower and money

  by snare&racket in

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  are you still a jw?

  please ask yourself and think about is deeply..... if there is a god and he made this incredible universe.......what is more likely?.

  a) that he needs your dollar bills to achieve his plans for the universe.

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  StarTrekAngel

  There is no doubt that a God that can make bread rain from heaven, should be able to provide financially. However, there is not much evidence, backed by any approval of Jesus or God, that church goers are supposed to support an organized religion. When the Jews gave things to build the first arc of the covenant, they gave freely, to the point that God had to ask them to stop. Most religions, however, conveniently leave that part out. In the first century congregation, since there was no official meeting place, anything they gave, was to support each other and those who dedicated their life to preaching. There is no evidence that this was always in the form of money and that it was somewhat perpetual giving.
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  My wife is frightened about the end/ What to say without sounding Apostate?

  by suavojr in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  my wife called me at work saying she is scared after reading today's daily text.

  i don't read it anymore, therefore i went online and found this.. tuesday, march 3 .

  those days will be cut short.matt.

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  StarTrekAngel

  Remind her Jehovah has promised us protection and that, if we believe what we read, we understand that the attack would happen on false worship, not on JWs, therefore there is nothing to fear. Make sure to drive that point home and then finish it with the second point. Which is, we don't want to be like those over zealous brothers of the 1970's, whom upon reading things like this, made drastic conclusions that the end was coming in 1975. But we know what happened to those brothers. May be that will drive her curiosity.

  I wish I could put that to practice myself but this kind of questions never really come up.
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  QUESTIONING THE OBVIOUS or deconstructing Jehovah's Witnesses

  by TerryWalstrom in

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  what is the most obvious thing you can think of about jehovah's witnesses from the standpoint of worldwide recognition?.

  wouldn't it be 2 primary things: the name jehovah and secondly, the public testimony or witnessing?.

  let's begin deconstructing those two things.. first, why would christians refer to themselves by any other name than christian?.

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  StarTrekAngel

  I have been trying to write something similar to this. My understanding, however, is that Jews were witnesses to Jehovah among their own generations. Never do JWs attempt to say the preach and witness like the jews did. In essence, they were to bear witness of what Jehovah did for them to their own descendants. Based on what I read, and provided that I have not read everything, God was the one asking for them to bear witness of it. Point being is that God needed this nation in order to put his own mark on earth, when all other nations had their own gods and would claim victory thanks to their gods, if Jehovah planned to make sure all people knew he was the true god, then he needed a nation. Hence, once that was done, they could now bring forward the messiah, who was a savior for the whole earth. Thus now they should be witnesses to Jesus, not Jehovah. For he who bears witness of the son, also bears witness of the father. Correct me if I miss something.
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  Obey God and don't ask questions, CO said

  by StarTrekAngel in

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  well, as an update to a previous thread, it turns out the talks were pretty plain and repetitive.

  end is coming soon, sooner, soonest, etc , etc.

  that was until the last day.

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  StarTrekAngel

  Well, as an update to a previous thread, it turns out the talks were pretty plain and repetitive. End is coming soon, sooner, soonest, etc , etc. That was until the last day. It seemed like this was not going anywhere exciting, but I got my share.

  The one talk entitled "the scene of this world is changing" was all about, as you may have expected, change. Although at first I thought he was going to concentrate on org change, he actually only concentrated in political/world related changes. Specifically tailored towards the upcoming great tribulation, he did not seem to have enough words to stress that changes were coming and they were radical. Made me wonder for a while if the radical changes will actually be org changes that will be excused in politics, rather than theocracy.

  The last talk, titled "give us more faith", opened as something like this, to loosely quote him "In the 1880 something WT magazine, there is a story of a little girl that was asked to explain faith. She responded that faith was "obeying God without asking questions". He then basically made the whole talk about praising this little girl for her answer. So all of a sudden it was like this girl had replaced God and we needed to listen to her instead. In any case, the whole point was made on how faithful men of the past obeyed God without asking anything. Needless to say there was not one mention of the men who actually did question God and were still considered faithful. No mention of the fact that no more than two meetings ago, we studied the book "Draw Closer to Jehovah" on the subject of his flexibility and how he allowed men in the past to shape the outcome of events, because they questioned God.

  I would leave this here for you to make your own conclusions. Makes me wonder what kind of questions is it that we may asked if this talk was not presented.
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  Child Abuse must be getting out of hand if they're addressing it...

  by thedepressedsoul in

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  i'm referring to the video that was uploaded where they finally mentioned the child abuse issue.

  we all kinda guessed that if they ever addressed it they'd blame it on the media and apostates.

  well, looks like we were spot on.

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  some who have been prominent in Jehovah's organization have succumbed to immoral practices, including homosexuality, wife swapping, and child molesting (WT 1/1/86 p13)

  Wait a minute? Prominent? Aren't they supposed to be slaves to us? Aren't they supposed to "wash our feet?"
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  Advice needed on Crisis of Conscience

  by cappytan in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  so, some of you may have seen my thread from yesterday about my wife waking up.. we had further discussion yesterday evening after i sent her the pbs video on the abuse scandals plaguing the watchtower.

  she was so furious and pissed off at wt hq.

  apparently a close relative of her's was abused by an elder and the only reason he was reproved and removed as an elder was because he confessed.

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  StarTrekAngel

  Well, I respectfully disagree. There is a certain urgency. The urgency comes from the fact that while we seat patiently waiting, not allowed to speak, caught up in dealing with day to day matters regarding our life, eight individuals up in Bethel have a full time job dedicated to combating what we know and what we could possibly say. Every slow step you take, they could be ahead of you by miles.

  With this I am not saying you should rush into things. There is a time for everything, but synergy is always good. I think it should be treated like the Tai chi of indoctrination.
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  Advice needed on Crisis of Conscience

  by cappytan in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  so, some of you may have seen my thread from yesterday about my wife waking up.. we had further discussion yesterday evening after i sent her the pbs video on the abuse scandals plaguing the watchtower.

  she was so furious and pissed off at wt hq.

  apparently a close relative of her's was abused by an elder and the only reason he was reproved and removed as an elder was because he confessed.

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  StarTrekAngel

  I think she should see the video where Lett so blatantly lies, specially if the subject of child abuse is fresh in her mind. Why read about and old lie, written long ago if you have a recent one? Specially if you compare that the book is a PDF you get online, against a video of their own channel? Not that the book is bad, but if you weight them both, which one is refutable and which one is not?

  Also, you could just tell her what chapter to read, regarding the dfing of Ray Franz and then let her own curiosity drive her to read on her own.
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  The Watchtower organization's crime against humanity

  by TerryWalstrom in

  1. watchtower
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  who are the real heroes of society?.

  are they not the people who are doctors and nurses and teachers and firemen and policemen and counselors and humanitarians?.

  because of the watchtower organization, we are missing generations of those kinds of heroes who will not exist (but could have) because jehovah's witnesses destroyed them by convincing millions of it's members those professions are meaningless and unimportant for them to pursue.

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  StarTrekAngel

  I think the true crime against humanity are the lives lost in false teaching, upheld with lies. Every time you get a debate regarding faith and belief, it always steers away from the true issue. The true issue is not wether you are entitled to exercise your own belief. The true issue is wether your belief is personal or implanted by others. Any belief implanted by someone else that results in your physical or emotional harm is a crime and the law should prosecute it.
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  Child Abuse must be getting out of hand if they're addressing it...

  by thedepressedsoul in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i'm referring to the video that was uploaded where they finally mentioned the child abuse issue.

  we all kinda guessed that if they ever addressed it they'd blame it on the media and apostates.

  well, looks like we were spot on.

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  StarTrekAngel

  The other piece is probably also related to the impending gay rights, but that may take longer. I've seen articles online arguing over matters of tax exemptions. Many argue that there is no way the government can take their tax status away because of their religious practices, others argue the government can only allow the practices but does not have to support them by mean of financial incentives, specially if such practices are discriminatory in the eye of the law. I happen to agree with the second opinion. Just like any other non-profit, if you discriminate, the government does not have to support you
  

  Mene, Mene, Teqel, Upharsin