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  The beginning of the end for shunning?

  by Saltheart Foamfollower in

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  the borg seem to prepare for changes by missing explanations out for a while then presenting a "new understanding" which doesn't contradict the most recent discussion.check out the most recent references to gog - no identification as satan.. in today's wt study, paragraph 15 concerning benefitting from the prodigal son stated "if we meet a person who has strayed from the congregation, will we offer loving and practical help to assist him to return?

  " there is no footnote or other qualifier saying not to go to disfellowshipped ones (who are definitely the ones being talked about) which is still the official policy.

  i know this isn't an ending to shunning, but it may signal the start of the preparation for a change.

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  StarTrekAngel

  True.. I attend a spanish congo and I did notice that.
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  How many were baptized in your area, last assembly?

  by brandnew in

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  2. friends

  how many were baptized in your area, last assembly?.

  santa paula, ca..........17..

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  La Feria, Texas. Two weeks ago. Was not paying all that much attention but for sure less than 10 (guaranteed or your money back), including a couple of kids. Total cost for that one day assembly, about 2000 people in attendance... $8,500. Two hours before closing time the financial statement said we had a deficit of $6,900
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  PBS program

  by wannaexit in

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  2. friends

  watching the pbs program as i write...........

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  Any chance that NPR will pick this up?
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  The beginning of the end for shunning?

  by Saltheart Foamfollower in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  the borg seem to prepare for changes by missing explanations out for a while then presenting a "new understanding" which doesn't contradict the most recent discussion.check out the most recent references to gog - no identification as satan.. in today's wt study, paragraph 15 concerning benefitting from the prodigal son stated "if we meet a person who has strayed from the congregation, will we offer loving and practical help to assist him to return?

  " there is no footnote or other qualifier saying not to go to disfellowshipped ones (who are definitely the ones being talked about) which is still the official policy.

  i know this isn't an ending to shunning, but it may signal the start of the preparation for a change.

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  Where there is a will, there is a way. If they are as eager to rebrand their bad image, they will find a way to do so without martyrs.
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  The beginning of the end for shunning?

  by Saltheart Foamfollower in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  the borg seem to prepare for changes by missing explanations out for a while then presenting a "new understanding" which doesn't contradict the most recent discussion.check out the most recent references to gog - no identification as satan.. in today's wt study, paragraph 15 concerning benefitting from the prodigal son stated "if we meet a person who has strayed from the congregation, will we offer loving and practical help to assist him to return?

  " there is no footnote or other qualifier saying not to go to disfellowshipped ones (who are definitely the ones being talked about) which is still the official policy.

  i know this isn't an ending to shunning, but it may signal the start of the preparation for a change.

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  I am a believer, despite everything I now know about the org, that things can actually change. I mean, worst things have changed. It just would take longer than many of us would hope for. While we all know the blood issue has not completely vanished, the truth is that is not as prevalent anymore. True, we can forget those unnecessary deaths. I am not apologizing for them, just citing an example on how some teaching that were central to the religion before, while still alive, are slowly fading.
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  The Watchtower logically prefers everyone that knows TTATT to disfellowship themselves

  by enigma1863 in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  every active jw that stays in hiding their knowledge about ttatt is a hole in the watchtower wall.

  i propose those who can stay in, should, especially if they have high positions.

  how else can we know what they are up to?

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  Not only that. If you were alone, I could see how you would take that as a humanitarian mission. But if you have family inside, it would be the worst suffering ever to watch your family follow along
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  Caleb & Sophia video Getting Big Coverage

  by freemindfade in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  wow, i am kind of surprised the amount of attention this appalling video is getting from the media.

  not surprised because it is appalling but that something that i grew up with was encapsulated in a cartoon and is exposing the witnesses publicly for mind control.. www.nydailynews.com/news/national/jehovah-witnesses-video-slammed-threats-kids-article-1.2116873.

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  The funny thing is that this somewhat came up this weekend. As it turns out, this isn't the first time they try this. While it wasn't as obvious before, it did happen. Check the "My book of Bible Stories". There is a chapter called "The boy who fell asleep". Speaks of a time when Paul was getting ready to leave a certain place and everyone stayed up until late, listening to him. Someone (can't remember if it was a boy for sure) fell asleep and fell down a window from a 3rd floor. They show how he was resurrected but the WTBTS adds the following phrase at the end... "You can be sure he did not fall asleep again".
  
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  Joseph and Potiphar's wife

  by StarTrekAngel in

  1. watchtower
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  what are the real reasons joseph refused to sleep with potiphar's wife?.

  the watchtower and others teach that joseph refused to commit adultery.

  specifically to the jws, we teach that joseph, somehow, knew that adultery was wrong, despite not having any specific rule or writing to teach him so.

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  StarTrekAngel

  Thanks Blondie!
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  Joseph and Potiphar's wife

  by StarTrekAngel in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  what are the real reasons joseph refused to sleep with potiphar's wife?.

  the watchtower and others teach that joseph refused to commit adultery.

  specifically to the jws, we teach that joseph, somehow, knew that adultery was wrong, despite not having any specific rule or writing to teach him so.

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  StarTrekAngel

  LOL
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  Joseph and Potiphar's wife

  by StarTrekAngel in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  what are the real reasons joseph refused to sleep with potiphar's wife?.

  the watchtower and others teach that joseph refused to commit adultery.

  specifically to the jws, we teach that joseph, somehow, knew that adultery was wrong, despite not having any specific rule or writing to teach him so.

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  StarTrekAngel

  What are the real reasons Joseph refused to sleep with Potiphar's wife?

  The watchtower and others teach that Joseph refused to commit adultery. Specifically to the JWs, we teach that Joseph, somehow, knew that adultery was wrong, despite not having any specific rule or writing to teach him so. Never the less, written or not, we know that women on those years were similar to material possessions. The act of taking another woman, sexually, was not officially condemned until later on. My theory is the following...

  Adultery as defined, is the act of having a sexual relation with a woman that belongs to another man. What I notice from reading the biblical accounts of Joseph, is that when she approaches him, he does not refute on the grounds of adultery. The bible does not say so. If nothing else is added, you could safely assume it to be the case. Joseph knew what adultery was and he intrinsically indicated he would not commit such wicked act against God. However, while no adultery (see definition again) is mentioned, something else is. Joseph proceeds to compare taking her sexually as being the same as if he took anything material from his master. He mentions to her that his master entrusted him with "all his belongings" (sounds familiar?), except her. He also adds that his master does not have a clue or an inventory of anything that is under his watch. She was a material belonging on his eyes, as women were in that time of history. Therefore, if he did not dare to take a vessel or piece of gold from his master, despite him not knowing it was there, how would he dare to take his wife?

  Was the sexual relation on itself the "wicked act" he refused to commit, or was it the fact that he was going to take something that did not belong to him, as women were comparable to cattle on those days.

  As usual, I await your candid comments.