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  Heart vs Mind - What Makes Us Human

  by ballistic in

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  http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b01kpvj1/heart_vs_mind_what_makes_us_human/.

  i was watching this bbc iplayer programme on heart and mind, (which is well worth a watch if you can access where you are).

  and despite how the programme starts out, it develops into a deep and touching discussion of what makes us human.. i personally was left with the feeling at odds with what i believed as a witness.

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  galaxie

  Nevertheless it's all within the brain. Did we get there in the end? Best wishes to you.
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  Heart vs Mind - What Makes Us Human

  by ballistic in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b01kpvj1/heart_vs_mind_what_makes_us_human/.

  i was watching this bbc iplayer programme on heart and mind, (which is well worth a watch if you can access where you are).

  and despite how the programme starts out, it develops into a deep and touching discussion of what makes us human.. i personally was left with the feeling at odds with what i believed as a witness.

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  Jgnat. Yes I agree its how we use our brains, but you'll agree the brain had to develop to be used.

  The bats brain developed in much the same way , but the evolutionary differences make it a bat.

  The brain is the receiver correct, why ? Because it is the primary organ which receives the signals, lets call them sub sensors if you like but they are switches in the circuiratery? Sense . The brain receives these signals as you say the receiver. In order to recieve with the objective of reacting the brain must make sense of the signal hence sensory(of the sences) Sensor:...device which detects or MEASURES the presence of something. The signals for the receiver do not do the measuring that is the brains function. Therefore it follows, by definition it must be the main sensor. Analogy ...if you stub your toe and feel pain what tells you the pain is from the toe rather than the finger? Its the brain sensing the signal from that area. It is the interruption of the break in the nerve circuitry in that area which the brain senses and then we feel the pain its all down to the brain .
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  Heart vs Mind - What Makes Us Human

  by ballistic in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b01kpvj1/heart_vs_mind_what_makes_us_human/.

  i was watching this bbc iplayer programme on heart and mind, (which is well worth a watch if you can access where you are).

  and despite how the programme starts out, it develops into a deep and touching discussion of what makes us human.. i personally was left with the feeling at odds with what i believed as a witness.

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  Jgnat. I think we're getting closer to some concensus.

  Simple analogy: You see a light bulb, it is lit, by what means does it manifest light? Of course its by sensing(reacting)to a remote source. That source is the switch. The switch is not the sensor, it is the signal upon which the sensor the bulb reacts, if the bulb is not lit and the switch is in the on position then there is no light why? Because the sensor is inoperative.

  By the same means (circuitry)although much more intricate the brain reacts to or senses the signals.

  Those signals or switches; pain , sight , smell etc are picked up by the main sensor the brain. That is why under anaesthetic the brain(sensor) is tricked into not reacting to the affected switches even if they are being activated.EG tooth extraction, surgery etc..So the conclusion must be brain is the sensor upon which the drug (anaesthetic) is acting upon.

  Anyway back to topic: Heart vs mind what makes us human? I admit my contribution was by way of going back to our early formation which essentially and fundementaly is what makes us modern humans. My reasoning was contrary to Ballistic who seemed to say were creatures with feeling first then brain thought after.

  Of course I'm not sure what stage of creature he was referring to perhaps he is talking about contemporary man?

  In that scenario I would still take the opinion that without the brain there is no emotion , instinct or any other function. Essentially IMO it is the development of our primitive nervous system into the complex circuitry of which the brain is the main cluster that makes us human.
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  Heart vs Mind - What Makes Us Human

  by ballistic in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b01kpvj1/heart_vs_mind_what_makes_us_human/.

  i was watching this bbc iplayer programme on heart and mind, (which is well worth a watch if you can access where you are).

  and despite how the programme starts out, it develops into a deep and touching discussion of what makes us human.. i personally was left with the feeling at odds with what i believed as a witness.

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  Jgnat. Intuition:..instinctive KNOWLEDGE. Knowledge :...facts or experiences

  How do we gain KNOWLEDGE whether it be instinctive(primitive cautionary awareness of surroundings hazards or beneficial aid to survival) which is now built in to our wiring BRAIN! or phsych if you like.

  Yes intuition may well have developed first, but by what method: there had to be a sensory organ to process and allow that development.

  I 'm sure your not suggesting it was by supernatural means?

  I agree with your point about nurture.
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  Heart vs Mind - What Makes Us Human

  by ballistic in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b01kpvj1/heart_vs_mind_what_makes_us_human/.

  i was watching this bbc iplayer programme on heart and mind, (which is well worth a watch if you can access where you are).

  and despite how the programme starts out, it develops into a deep and touching discussion of what makes us human.. i personally was left with the feeling at odds with what i believed as a witness.

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  Jgnat , from where did the intuition spring from?

  I do not believe nurturing was solely developed in humans, I used it in respect of the human aspect of the point.
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  Heart vs Mind - What Makes Us Human

  by ballistic in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b01kpvj1/heart_vs_mind_what_makes_us_human/.

  i was watching this bbc iplayer programme on heart and mind, (which is well worth a watch if you can access where you are).

  and despite how the programme starts out, it develops into a deep and touching discussion of what makes us human.. i personally was left with the feeling at odds with what i believed as a witness.

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  Jgnat .I was responding to the question, as per topic. NOT about the modern multi/ faceted modern brain ,or about brain injury, but rather how we became human; heart vs mind. this must take us way back to our evolutionary development.

  Ballistic seemed to imply ;feeling first, thought/brain subsequently "bolted on". My point is simply, how can you have feeling without a sensory organ?.

  Gut feeling(intuition) has obviously got nothing to do with the physical 'gut' but that feeling is entirely controlled by the brain and by way of the nervous system to give that gut feeling, (primitive evolution to ensure best way of survival). Development of this process eventually led to our brains becoming cognitive.

  So I.M.O. what makes us human is the development of our brain(sensory organ) to have the capacity of reason/understanding/intellect.

  Heart vs mind?....mind/brain/sensors first wins. Emotions (heart) comes after in our development as humans as the importance of nurturing/caring became more essential for our wellbeing as a species. In my humble opinion of course.
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  Is it Humanly Possible, that the writers believe this stuff?

  by objectivetruth in

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  as many of you know, whom have been in the org for a while.. the wt is hard coded into your mind.

  sometimes, i will read a wt, to make sure that i hadn't imagined all of the ridiculousness... and then i read a wt like this : http://m.wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/2004168 (is linking to this legal?).

  i especially enjoyed this section : .

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  They (the writers) are basically on a runaway train which leads to a destination by way of ever changing crossing points because the destination never arrives .The train just keeps on rollin' along. Sometimes it slows , sometimes it gains momentum. Beware don't try and jump on 'cause its going nowhere!!
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  The day the music died

  by Rattigan350 in

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  i commented about how the 2008 yearbook gives the story of a girl who is on estonia idol and gives up an opportunity to progress to further rounds because she has a talk on the theocratic ministry school.

  when jws started to study with her, that is the day the music died.. .

  while watching the grammys, though most was trash the music from the 70s was great, i thought, what if paul mccartney's parents studied with jws and paul didn't become a musician.

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  No beatles without buddy holly, the day the music died?
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  Atheism and Theism are only partly right!

  by abiather in

  1. watchtower
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  today we know that matter and energy are interchangeable, hence they are there always in either form, they are eternal, hence requires no creator.

  hence atheism is right in rejecting a creator, but failed in providing any motivation for people to do good.

  religions, in their effort to provide a motivating factor for humans to do good, introduced creation stories and other myths; hence they too are right (as far as their intention is concerned), yet failed in producing any worthy resultsworld was steadily moving from bad to worse and from worse to worst!.

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  Hi abiather, where do you see the correlation between , atheism and motivation?. It definitely is found in theism as theism motivates(moves) people to do all sorts of practices.

  Atheism on the other hand is a non belief, we don't have to be governed by any form of direction, hence no motivation.
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  Did Satan Sin

  by enigma1863 in

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  i have been thinking about basic theology a lot and the more i think about it the more rediculous it sounds.. so adam and eve died from a small sin of eating a piece of fruit.

  if sin causes death why is satan not dead?

  why didnt adam and eve die that very day like god said?

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  Enigma, when it all boils down to it, and you have to make a decision, do you think these accounts (no matter what spin you put on it).really have any basis of fact or that its all ancient myth and stories told for reasons which are totally irrelevant for our modern enlightened times.

  Life now for us all can be precious and fulfilling and hard enough dealing with the down sides without clouding our brains with non....sense!

  In my humble opinion of course.