after so many years...nobody outside the org looks upon them as experts.
Isn't that remarkable?
willyloman
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Newsweek Cover: Who Killed Jesus?
by willyloman inmsn has posted the cover of the latest issue of newsweek, with a cover story on mel gibson's new movie based on jesus' crucifixion.
the provocative headline: who really killed jesus.. without getting into that debate, i'm going to go out on a limb and make a prediction:.
i have not read the article, but think it is a pretty safe bet that with all the religious experts they will quote in this article, there will not be one single reference to the wts or jw's.. just a couple of years ago, the same magazine (or was it time?
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Newsweek Cover: Who Killed Jesus?
by willyloman inmsn has posted the cover of the latest issue of newsweek, with a cover story on mel gibson's new movie based on jesus' crucifixion.
the provocative headline: who really killed jesus.. without getting into that debate, i'm going to go out on a limb and make a prediction:.
i have not read the article, but think it is a pretty safe bet that with all the religious experts they will quote in this article, there will not be one single reference to the wts or jw's.. just a couple of years ago, the same magazine (or was it time?
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willyloman
They have made all these grandious claims, yet in reality, even in a field in which they actually do contribute greatly (apocalyptic crapola) they don't even register. They are irrelevant.
My point, exactly (and you did it in far fewer words).
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My life ... and how JWD came to be - Part 1
by Simon ina few people have asked how jwd came about and what my own story is and while i've posted it in bits and bobs, i've never tried to tell it as a story so here goes .... living in suburbia.
i was born a jw to jw parents who had recently been missionaries / pioneers in ireland and taken literature into countries like spain when it was banned but who were now living in suburbia near to where they had both been brought up.
we lived in a new semi-detached house in a cul-de-sac at the bottom of a hill - fantastic for building go-carts and racing down !
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willyloman
Wow, Simon. Not only are you the master technician and chief switch-puller around here, but you can write! Thanks for sharing. We want more!
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Newsweek Cover: Who Killed Jesus?
by willyloman inmsn has posted the cover of the latest issue of newsweek, with a cover story on mel gibson's new movie based on jesus' crucifixion.
the provocative headline: who really killed jesus.. without getting into that debate, i'm going to go out on a limb and make a prediction:.
i have not read the article, but think it is a pretty safe bet that with all the religious experts they will quote in this article, there will not be one single reference to the wts or jw's.. just a couple of years ago, the same magazine (or was it time?
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willyloman
MSN has posted the cover of the latest issue of Newsweek, with a cover story on Mel Gibson's new movie based on Jesus' crucifixion. The provocative headline: Who Really Killed Jesus.
Without getting into THAT debate, I'm going to go out on a limb and make a prediction:
I have not read the article, but think it is a pretty safe bet that with all the religious experts they will quote in this article, there will not be one single reference to the WTS or JW's.
Just a couple of years ago, the same magazine (or was it Time?), did an article on "The Last Days" and the Armageddon scare, remember? I was "in" at the time; I searched in vain for some mention of Watchtower prophecy. Did I find anything? No! The WTS simply does not exist as far as the mainstream media are concerned. This always mystified me when I was "in the truth." I chalked it up to a grudge against God's chosen ones; you know, their eyes blinded by Satan, and all that.
But I never could fully convince myself. It seemed odd that after 120 years of preaching about the coming of the end, that if this work was THAT effective, no major news magazine could even think about doing an article on Armageddon -- or any other topic related to bible prophecy, or bible research -- without going to what JW's all believe is the highest authority on the planet on this subject: the FDS!
Perhaps they need a better "publicity agent," to use Rutherford's phrase. Because, in the 80-some years since 1919, they've utterly failed to advertise, advertise, advertise, the king and his kingdom. After all that effort, they don't even register as a blip on the screen when reporters set out to investigate stories based on the bible. Remarkable, isn't it? If the preaching work really worked, the standard response in any newsroom to the suggestion, "Let's do a story on (insert bible topic here)" would be to call Brooklyn.
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Feelings of an active JW
by XBEHERE ini have been lurking on this board ever since the may 2002 broadcast of that dateline on the subject of child molestation.
that show made me realize that the wt may not be speaking for god.
well naturally i discovered the truth about the "truth" over the past 21 months.
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willyloman
Bttt... because this thread is must reading for everyone who lurks here.
I can't tell you how strongly your story resonates with so many of us, and how perceptive your observations of the others you see trudgiing so dutifully, yet wearily, to meeting after meeting, staggering under the heavy load.
Amen. That's how I saw it, too.
For porkchop and all the other delusional apologists who insist the "truth" is alive and well and growing and filling those KH's as fast as they can build them: Read this post for proof there's a cancer growing inside the organization.
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Witnessing to Witnesses: Flawed Doctrine or WT Misdeeds?
by imallgrowedup inwhen we witness to witnesses, what is the most important thing we should talk to them about first - flawed doctrine, or watchtower misdeeds such as the un, child molestation, etc.?
what's your game plan, or what worked on you?
inquiring minds want to know!
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willyloman
Start with, "Love is the identifying mark of the true religion." That's where the dubs fall short, and most JW's have anecdotal evidence that there's a big gap between the claims made by the WTS about abundant love and the reality in the vast majority of congregations.
In my experience, most people don't really care that much about doctrine (much of which they don't really understand), and accounts of "WT Misdeeds" are viewed with suspicion or outright disbelief.
But in every congregation there are a bunch of people who have doubts, misgivings, or nagging feelings that something just isn't right. And they all have stories they can tell, if they will, in support of these feelings.
Of course, getting people to open up about this is very difficult... unless they WANT to. They have to be ready. If you get there early, you're doomed to failure.
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"The Apostates Are Infiltrating The Congregations Now"
by minimus inat the circuit assembly, my mother mentioned to me that the society is warning of a new danger.
there are witnesses that are on the internet reading apostate things but are still members of the congregation.
they are slowly being infiltrated by the 'apostates' and are still amongst us.
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willyloman
Much wisdom on this thread.
Loved what Min said about CO's asking the elders why meeting attendance sucked. Of nine elders in our congo at the last such meeting I attended, five trotted out the old familiar bs answers: Lack of appreciation, materialism, busy working, lack of love, etc. The other four of us just sat there and tried to avoid eye contact. I knew the other three were thinking just what I was thinking -- the meetings are intellectually insulting and just plain IRRELEVANT to the lives and the vast majority of publishers, but of course not one of us was going to say THAT.
The CO, who can't possibly be that stupid, finally sighed and suggested we work on the quality of the meetings and see if that didn't make a difference. He also asked if we were calling people on the phone when they missed a meeting and suggested we take that approach. The vast majority of us were sitting there thinking, yeah, right, that'll really piss everyone off, and so of course we never did.
You see, there's no fix for any problem when people can't talk freely.
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Governing Buzzards - Part 6 - Broken foundation of Russellism
by Amazing inpart 6 ?
exposing the broken foundation of russell-ism
a core foundation claim asserted by the watchtower society from its inception in the 1870s to this very day, is that they are god's chosen channel of truth for all humankind.
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willyloman
Amazing & RR: Thanks to both of you; there's more stimulating thought going on in this thread than in a year of WT studies at the KH!
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The Society's Late Sixties Film "HERITAGE"
by gespro inhi guys!
this is my first posting and my question is:
does anyone remember the movie (i believe the name was) "heritage" the borg presented on tv around 68-71?
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willyloman
Missed that film, but did catch the sequel: "Reefer Madness," I think it was.
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"They hate you if you're clever, and they despise a fool..."
by logansrun ini was talking to a longtime elder a few years ago about people who "leave the truth" and he said something that, to this day, i must agree with.
he said,"there are two types of people who get in trouble in the organization: people who are really smart, and people who are really dumb.".
at the time i took exception to the first part of that assesment -- how could anyone be "too smart" for the organization?
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willyloman
I'm not sure it's intelligence, or the lack of it. I think the WTS is on to something when they quote Jesus: "The sheep know my voice and they follow me."
Of course, they apply the scripture to themselves, but it probably means everyone marches to their own drummer, that each one hears a certain voice and follows it.
People who "get out" start listening to the voice they've always heard; when they really "listen," the clock starts ticking on their WT membership status.
On the other hand, writer Barbara Grizzuti Harrison in her wonderful book, Visions of Glory (about growing up JW), says that when she left Bethyl, Knorr questioned her and said, "You were Valedictorian, right? In high school?" She said she wasn't. "No," he replied, "but you were smart. It's always the smart ones who leave." He was NOT complimenting her intellect, but he said a mouthful.