Doggone -
I agree, what happened in 1988 was poor Coordination and direction within the Writing Department. Not multiple reversals of view.
But these errors, show you that not even the writers can keep up with the nonsense and lies.
from the book "the divine plan of the ages" - c.t.
russell 1886. as a forcible illustration we mention the sodomites.
surely, if we shall find the restitution of the sodomites clearly taught, we may feel satisfied of the truth of this glorious doctrine of restitution for all mankind, spoken by the mouth of all the holy prophets.... unto the jews of capernaum he said, "if the mighty works which have been done in thee had been done in sodom, it would have remained until this day.
Doggone -
I agree, what happened in 1988 was poor Coordination and direction within the Writing Department. Not multiple reversals of view.
But these errors, show you that not even the writers can keep up with the nonsense and lies.
i know this topic has been spoken about but i havent seen an official thead about it.
so theists why did god create these and why does he co tinue to allow them?
are they from the talking snake, satan?.
Jon,
Good Question.. I don't know the answer, and I've never thought about it but I'll take a shot.
1. Adam & Eve were created in the Garden of Eden, which was not Earth. (There was the Garden of Eden,Paradise,Earth - Adam & Eve we're kicked out of the Garden into Paradise - Cain was kicked out of Paradise onto the Earthe that we now know.) The Garden was possibly on the Solid Thick Ice Firmament, 15 Spiritual Cubits above Earth.
2. Adam & Eve had their Nature changed, from that of a Angelic/Physical nature, to that of Purely Physical.. This is the reason, that they saw that they were naked, they no longer had a Angelic aspect to their bodies.
- God clothed, and provided Physical Aspects that would make their lives on earth possible.
3. As for Animals, there are a few possible factors to consider.
- In the book of Jasher, you will see that the Fallen Angels, taught men the secrets of Inbreeding & Outbreeding. Once Inbreeding was introduced, animals became degraded and much weaker in Physical Nature. (This answers the question of how all the animal species could have fit into an ark.. Possibly there were not 100s of thousands of original breeds originally, and God Destroyed the unnatural breeds, that were susceptible to Disease and further degradation.
- This may also explain why Animals are Violent & even perverted at times.
- Since Some Viruses & Bacteria, do help us now, it is possible that all Viruses & Bacteria were created for the purpose of supporting different races of animal. (Not sure here)
question: how are members of the governing body of jehovah's witnesses themselves, actually viewed by jehovah's witnesses today?.
well, the following related experience may help answer that provocative question, giving us a glimpse of what the possible future days will bring us.
yes, the answer to that question may even be quite shocking to us, ... with simply terrible, disastrous results!!!
Good Article.. Interesting site as well... Is that site where "The Conscious Class" meets up?
from the book "the divine plan of the ages" - c.t.
russell 1886. as a forcible illustration we mention the sodomites.
surely, if we shall find the restitution of the sodomites clearly taught, we may feel satisfied of the truth of this glorious doctrine of restitution for all mankind, spoken by the mouth of all the holy prophets.... unto the jews of capernaum he said, "if the mighty works which have been done in thee had been done in sodom, it would have remained until this day.
It makes COMPLETE sense, why the WT has to teach that S&G will not be Resurrected.. They also teach that Those Destroyed in the Flood have no hope.
The Purpose of the Hell Doctrine, or in this case All non JW's will be destroyed and cast into Gehenna at Armageddon, have one purpose. The purpose is to Scare members into being obedient, so that they continue to $upport the work. - When Salvation does not Depend on an organization, people stop attending Church, and they stop paying the Bills.
from the book "the divine plan of the ages" - c.t.
russell 1886. as a forcible illustration we mention the sodomites.
surely, if we shall find the restitution of the sodomites clearly taught, we may feel satisfied of the truth of this glorious doctrine of restitution for all mankind, spoken by the mouth of all the holy prophets.... unto the jews of capernaum he said, "if the mighty works which have been done in thee had been done in sodom, it would have remained until this day.
Punk - To the contrary, it matters now more than ever.
When Jesus gave the Parable of the Seed being thrown along the Roadway, WE are the ones that receive the Seed. Yahweh has called many of us out of the Watchtower, he has done this by opening our eyes to see that the Watchtower does not teach the Truth. - It is our privilege to show our distraught brothers and sisters the True Gospel, the Gospel of Love & Forgiveness.
People reject the God that is taught by Men, because they conceive that he is Demanding, And Judgemental and Self Righteous.
The God that Russell taught was a Merciful God, who has a PLAN for Every Man,Woman & Child that has ever lived.
there is one Book in particular, that was filled with Common Sense, and Hope (Excluding the While Puramid Thing : )
http://wtarchive.svhelden.info/archive/en/publications/1886_CR_MD1_The_Plan_of_Ages.pdf
With this message, it's easy to see why people were so Enthusiastic about this organization (Before it was an Organization)
The Overview of what is contained in this Book :
Jesus Died for all. From Adam to the Last Born child.
Everyone can be anointed by Holy Spirit and be guided to truth from the spirit.
Faithful anointed people gain Immortality & the share in teaching and assisting during the 1,000 year reign.
People that are not anointed, but are still Righteous gain everlasting life.
People that are Unrighteous,Wicked,Evil will ALL be resurrected. There chance to choose Life will be during the 1,000 year reign.
99.9% of Humans will eventually be worthy of everlasting life.
And after this Psalms 37 will be on the earth.
a pioneer sister who just returned from pioneer school, and her elder husband, who was previously in bethel are in service.. when they come to an enthusiastic house holder.
after discussing the glorious messianic kingdom that has been ruling since 1914,err 1919 the house holder says "ok this really is good news, what must i do to be saved??".
brother elder and sister pioneer elder both look at each other, and they know right away the best answer... sister pioneer reaches into her bag pulling out her km approved preaching tablet device (she waves it around a. bit, with the purpose of impressing the householder how advanced the wt is), she then says i want to show you our website, jw .
EndofM - Please consult the August 2014 KM regarding music volume at weddings..
After re examining Ecclesiastes 7:5 -"It is better for a man to hear the rebuke of the wise than to hear the song of fools."
The GB determined that if it is your first marriage, and you are married another JW it is admissable, to turn the radio up an additional 3 HZ
This was previously understood as being 3 HZ lower based on
Isaiah 30:29 You shall have a song as in the night when a holy feast is kept, and gladness of heart, as when one sets out to the sound of the flute to go to the mountain of the Lord , to the Rock of Israel.
a pioneer sister who just returned from pioneer school, and her elder husband, who was previously in bethel are in service.. when they come to an enthusiastic house holder.
after discussing the glorious messianic kingdom that has been ruling since 1914,err 1919 the house holder says "ok this really is good news, what must i do to be saved??".
brother elder and sister pioneer elder both look at each other, and they know right away the best answer... sister pioneer reaches into her bag pulling out her km approved preaching tablet device (she waves it around a. bit, with the purpose of impressing the householder how advanced the wt is), she then says i want to show you our website, jw .
I wonder what happened to that family? They went back to Arizona. Nice folk, the Dad gave me a U.S. cent as a momento. I kept it for years before it got lost in house moves and such.
These types of things are the True Miracles of our time
Stories, and Memories shared between people that mutually Love one another, and care.. Care not because they want to get A reward, or beef up their resume.. But rather they care because all Humans are our Brothers and Sisters, and the law is in our hearts to love. - It's the little things that give people hope, and stick with them when The Dark Clouds role in again.
Heres a REAL Experience that I recently had... I believe that Matthew 5:42, is one of the most important scriptures.. " Give to the one who asks you" and I have determined that it is literal..
After leaving Wal Mart the other day there was a Homeless man and his wife sitting in the Median, I reached into my wallet and took out all the cash I had on me ($2) - I handed it to the man, and we locked eyes (He had beautiful blue eyes, but his face was Dirty & Cracked) - He said " Thank you so much Brother, it will come back to you" That was a really emotional moment, that has effected me deeply.. And it was that experience that prover to me that Matthew 5:42 is the truth, from God. - I hope that if enough people help that man, he too will find hope.
Sorry to take this sarcastic topic off topic, the U.S. Cent memento that the Dad gave to Punk and that Punk cherished and kept for so long is touching., that too is love.
a pioneer sister who just returned from pioneer school, and her elder husband, who was previously in bethel are in service.. when they come to an enthusiastic house holder.
after discussing the glorious messianic kingdom that has been ruling since 1914,err 1919 the house holder says "ok this really is good news, what must i do to be saved??".
brother elder and sister pioneer elder both look at each other, and they know right away the best answer... sister pioneer reaches into her bag pulling out her km approved preaching tablet device (she waves it around a. bit, with the purpose of impressing the householder how advanced the wt is), she then says i want to show you our website, jw .
I had the "Privilege" of Being on a circuit assembly part when I was 16.. It was a "Serve God in your youth" or something along those lines part..
I was a Regular Pioneer, so OF COURSE I had to provide answers like "I have been so encouraged" & "it's wonderful to spend so much time in Hot cars, baby sitting pioneer sisters brats" and all those blessings that come with "Pioneering" as a youth.
Honestly I only remember one specivic thing, from the interview..
There was an older Brother in my hall that had encouraged me to Pioneer, so I wanted to give him a shout out from the stage... I also wanted to give people a Jolt.. This older brothers name was Richard Springer, everyone in My congregation called him Dick.
So when the brother on the stage asked me.. - "So how have the older ones in your congregation helped you, in expanding your ministry"
I answered - "Well so many have encouraged me and assisted me, but Brother Springer in particular has helped me.. Several times a week Dick will help me practice my presentation, and Dick has giBen me valuable advice.. And Dick has really taken an interest in my spiritual growth.."
LOL - I Said dick 3 times from an assembly stage! YESSSS
Ugh.. At least I didn't say, "Well first I want to be a MS, and then go to MTS , and then be an Elder, and then the CO and then a CO then a DO, then well u get it.
the gb can kiss my ass.. i'm writing "0" on the little slip of paper they pass out.. hey here's a thought:.
you know that "widow's might" stuff they're always talking about?
well i'm pretty dang sure that the lady was giving from the heart not because she filled out some dumba$$ piece of paper pledging two small coins several months previous!.
Jehovah’s Witnesses commonly meet in modest buildings called Kingdom Halls. How are expenses covered? They never pass collection plates, nor do they send out envelopes to solicit donations. Rather, any who appreciate the spiritual program can discreetly place a donation in a contribution box at the Kingdom Hall. - http://wol.jw.org/en/wol/lv/r1/lp-e/0/12165
Giving Until It Hurts
“YOU can call me a beggar; that doesn’t bother me. I’m begging for Jesus.” Those telling words of a Protestant minister underline the controversy that swirls around religious funding. Organized religion seems to be able to survive only with sizable financial support. Salaries need to be paid, temples need to be built and maintained, evangelizing campaigns need to be financed. How is the necessary money to be found?
For many churches, the answer is the tithe.* “Tithing is God’s way of financing His kingdom on the earth,” claims evangelist Norman Robertson. “It is His system of economics which enables the Gospel to be preached.” Not shy about reminding his followers of their responsibility to give, he emphatically states: ‘Tithing isn’t something you do because you can afford it. It is an act of obedience. Not tithing is a clear violation of God’s commandments. It is embezzlement.’—Tithing—God’s Financial Plan.
Most likely you agree that giving should be part of Christian worship. However, do you find insistent appeals for money disturbing, perhaps even offensive? Brazilian theologian Inácio Strieder accuses churches of resorting to tithing to “solve their institutional problems” and labels such practices “illegitimate, abusive, and a theological aberration.” The result, he observes, is that “unemployed people, widows, slum dwellers, and those who are incapable of critical thinking conclude that God has abandoned them and that they are obliged to give so much to ‘the preacher’ that their own families go hungry.”
You may wonder: ‘Are churches that enforce tithing correctly applying Scripture? Or could some religions be invoking the fear of God to fleece the flock? Really, does God expect us to give until it hurts, as some would say?’
psalms 118:8 - it is better to take refuge in jehovah than to trust in humans.. the scriptures are clear that jesus is the truth - the way - the life : john 4:6 - jesus said to him: i am the way and the truth and the life.
no one comes to the father except through me.
1 timothy 2:4 - whose will is that all sorts of people should be saved and come to an accurate knowledge of truth.
Psalms 118:8 - It is better to take refuge in Jehovah Than to trust in humans. The Scriptures are clear that Jesus is the Truth - The Way - The Life : John 4:6 - Jesus said to him: “I am the way and the Truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.
Anything taught as doctrine must be supported by at least two or three clear and unambiguous Biblical passages. The main things are the plain things. We can be certain that if God did not establish a teaching with two or three solid witnesses in Scripture then He did not intend for us to teach it as Biblical truth. We know this because God has given us this principle in a way that follows this principle, that is, He repeated it in both the Old and the New Testaments:
This principle is fundamental not only to Biblical Hermeneutics, but to Epistimology in general. How do we know anything? When it is confirmed and corroborated by a variety of witnesses. This is true whether studying the Bible or Biology. Application of this rule immediately clears away the debris accumulated from centuries of unfounded speculations and lays bare the bedrock of the true Biblical doctrines of Eschatology.